URM 2016-2017 Cycle Thread Forum

[armc808]

They sent it to minorities and LGBT people, but I wonder if they just want to increase the number of applications.

They want to boost numbers. It is too late in the cycle now.

It really isn't too late in the cycle for yale...they release decisions later in general, and are pretty black box. Also, can confirm I have a friend currently attending who only applied after they got that email this time last year.

+1. After talking with pre-law advisers and others familiar with Yale's application process at my UG, they've all pretty much said that Yale is unique in that they are more "rolling decision" than "rolling admissions." Applying earlier will likely give you a decision sooner, but applying later in the cycle won't really hurt your chances of getting in (Yale is a long-shot for everyone).

[Hi-So - ArshavinFan]

How many people in here got in2 Duke via PT???

as it stands, that PT has me waiting like a nervous wreck

[texcellence]

How many people in here got in2 Duke via PT???

as it stands, that PT has me waiting like a nervous wreck

I did! Don't stress. You'll be fine.

[Stephylynette]

How many people in here got in2 Duke via PT???

as it stands, that PT has me waiting like a nervous wreck

Got in via PT a couple months ago on the 9th day around 6:30PM. The wait is terrible but honestly so thankful for PT. Could not have survived a Duke non-PT wait.

[2000andBeyond]

So...I applied to SEO in like October. I still haven't heard back. Terrible sign? Should I call? lol

[AJ1010]

How many people in here got in2 Duke via PT???

as it stands, that PT has me waiting like a nervous wreck

accepted via priority track first week of Nov.

[Mjvance2]

So...I applied to SEO in like October. I still haven't heard back. Terrible sign? Should I call? lol

I would first verify that your entire application is complete. I didn't realize one of my transcripts didn't upload properly for a few days. Also because they don't have an actual submit button it makes it hard to determine if your application is complete and accepted.

After I was sure my entire application was complete, I emailed them to confirm on their side and I got a response within 24 hours.

Don't give up hope!

[2000andBeyond]

So...I applied to SEO in like October. I still haven't heard back. Terrible sign? Should I call? lol

I would first verify that your entire application is complete. I didn't realize one of my transcripts didn't upload properly for a few days. Also because they don't have an actual submit button it makes it hard to determine if your application is complete and accepted.

After I was sure my entire application was complete, I emailed them to confirm on their side and I got a response within 24 hours.

Don't give up hope!

Okay, thanks so much!!

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[dietcoke1]

This cycle is proving to be more unpredictable (read: negative) than anticipated when backed up against the previous 2-3 cycles and outcomes of similar number applicants. Anyone else feeling this way?

yup, especially for schools like nyu and cornell

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[poptart123]

This cycle is proving to be more unpredictable (read: negative) than anticipated when backed up against the previous 2-3 cycles and outcomes of similar number applicants. Anyone else feeling this way?

yup, especially for schools like nyu and cornell

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[dietcoke1]

This cycle is proving to be more unpredictable (read: negative) than anticipated when backed up against the previous 2-3 cycles and outcomes of similar number applicants. Anyone else feeling this way?

yup, especially for schools like nyu and cornell

If it's true that LSAT scores are down then I wonder what the reason is? maybe Cornell is involved in YP shenanigans but I don't see why NYU would be

yea I'm not sure what NYU is doing this cycle. it seems like they would have to accept way more people soon if they are going to keep the same class size

[brinicolec]

This cycle is proving to be more unpredictable (read: negative) than anticipated when backed up against the previous 2-3 cycles and outcomes of similar number applicants. Anyone else feeling this way?

yup, especially for schools like nyu and cornell

If it's true that LSAT scores are down then I wonder what the reason is? maybe Cornell is involved in YP shenanigans but I don't see why NYU would be

yea I'm not sure what NYU is doing this cycle. it seems like they would have to accept way more people soon if they are going to keep the same class size

Someone in the NYU thread said something about NYU making their class size smaller. Am not sure where they got that from but maybe it would explain things.

[brinicolec]

This cycle is proving to be more unpredictable (read: negative) than anticipated when backed up against the previous 2-3 cycles and outcomes of similar number applicants. Anyone else feeling this way?

yup, especially for schools like nyu and cornell

If it's true that LSAT scores are down then I wonder what the reason is? maybe Cornell is involved in YP shenanigans but I don't see why NYU would be

I'm wondering if T14 schools are going to try to increase their GPA median instead of their LSAT median because high LSATs are down, which would lead to people like me (low GPA) having a tougher cycle.

[hammy393]

This cycle is proving to be more unpredictable (read: negative) than anticipated when backed up against the previous 2-3 cycles and outcomes of similar number applicants. Anyone else feeling this way?

yup, especially for schools like nyu and cornell

If it's true that LSAT scores are down then I wonder what the reason is? maybe Cornell is involved in YP shenanigans but I don't see why NYU would be

yea I'm not sure what NYU is doing this cycle. it seems like they would have to accept way more people soon if they are going to keep the same class size

Someone in the NYU thread said something about NYU making their class size smaller. Am not sure where they got that from but maybe it would explain things.

NYU Law Strategic Plan 2016-2023 http://www.law.nyu.edu/sites/default/fi ... icPlan.pdf

OBJECTIVES
Explore options for increasing affordability for students, including by reducing the size of the JD class and increasing non-tuition revenue from sources including philanthropy, executive education, and
other degree and non-degree programs

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[brinicolec]

This cycle is proving to be more unpredictable (read: negative) than anticipated when backed up against the previous 2-3 cycles and outcomes of similar number applicants. Anyone else feeling this way?

yup, especially for schools like nyu and cornell

If it's true that LSAT scores are down then I wonder what the reason is? maybe Cornell is involved in YP shenanigans but I don't see why NYU would be

yea I'm not sure what NYU is doing this cycle. it seems like they would have to accept way more people soon if they are going to keep the same class size

Someone in the NYU thread said something about NYU making their class size smaller. Am not sure where they got that from but maybe it would explain things.

NYU Law Strategic Plan 2016-2023 http://www.law.nyu.edu/sites/default/fi ... icPlan.pdf

OBJECTIVES
Explore options for increasing affordability for students, including by reducing the size of the JD class and increasing non-tuition revenue from sources including philanthropy, executive education, and
other degree and non-degree programs

nice find, though i can't help but be skeptical about the whole increasing affordability thing. more like, reducing the size of the JD class in an attempt to boost medians and game the rankings. if the class size does indeed shrink it'll be interesting to look at the 509 to see if more scholarship money has been handed out. i'd love to be proven wrong

Hm, very interesting. I agree that I think it's more about the rankings than the students, but maybe people WILL see an increase in schollies as well

[Hi-So - ArshavinFan]

This cycle is proving to be more unpredictable (read: negative) than anticipated when backed up against the previous 2-3 cycles and outcomes of similar number applicants. Anyone else feeling this way?

yup, especially for schools like nyu and cornell

If it's true that LSAT scores are down then I wonder what the reason is? maybe Cornell is involved in YP shenanigans but I don't see why NYU would be

I'm wondering if T14 schools are going to try to increase their GPA median instead of their LSAT median because high LSATs are down, which would lead to people like me (low GPA) having a tougher cycle.

Plausible, but URM ( Particularly AA high scorers) are so scarce already. I can't see this actually affecting us significantly. Tbf, I know some URMs having pretty good cycles. Mr. Chukes getting wait-listed at Penn was pretty positive to me.

Also, I personally know an AA male with a 3.0 LSDAS and 159 LSAT who got an interview from GT, but he did get dinged by Cornell.

[brinicolec]

This cycle is proving to be more unpredictable (read: negative) than anticipated when backed up against the previous 2-3 cycles and outcomes of similar number applicants. Anyone else feeling this way?

yup, especially for schools like nyu and cornell

If it's true that LSAT scores are down then I wonder what the reason is? maybe Cornell is involved in YP shenanigans but I don't see why NYU would be

I'm wondering if T14 schools are going to try to increase their GPA median instead of their LSAT median because high LSATs are down, which would lead to people like me (low GPA) having a tougher cycle.

Plausible, but URM ( Particularly AA high scorers) are so scarce already. I can't see this actually affecting us significantly. Tbf, I know some URMs having pretty good cycles. Mr. Chukes getting wait-listed at Penn was pretty positive to me.

Also, I personally know an AA male with a 3.0 LSDAS and 159 LSAT who got an interview from GT, but he did get dinged by Cornell.

I mean, I have a 3.4 and a 167 and my cycle has been.. rough within the T14 so far, although I have apps still out.

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[bunney_j]

This cycle is proving to be more unpredictable (read: negative) than anticipated when backed up against the previous 2-3 cycles and outcomes of similar number applicants. Anyone else feeling this way?

yup, especially for schools like nyu and cornell

If it's true that LSAT scores are down then I wonder what the reason is? maybe Cornell is involved in YP shenanigans but I don't see why NYU would be

I'm wondering if T14 schools are going to try to increase their GPA median instead of their LSAT median because high LSATs are down, which would lead to people like me (low GPA) having a tougher cycle.

Plausible, but URM ( Particularly AA high scorers) are so scarce already. I can't see this actually affecting us significantly. Tbf, I know some URMs having pretty good cycles. Mr. Chukes getting wait-listed at Penn was pretty positive to me.

Also, I personally know an AA male with a 3.0 LSDAS and 159 LSAT who got an interview from GT, but he did get dinged by Cornell.

I mean, I have a 3.4 and a 167 and my cycle has been.. rough within the T14 so far, although I have apps still out.

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In Ann Ivey's admissions book she says that schools like to take URM with high GPAs because it balances out a lower LSAT in most cases. Particulary for t1 schools hyperfocused on rankings. Penn seems to only accept 3.8+ and waitlist the rest and Stanford's lawschoolnumber looks the same. I wonder if there's any truth to this; by accepting splitters and reverse splitters they can give less scholarships out and balance their medians, etc...

[azaleafire]

In Ann Ivey's admissions book she says that schools like to take URM with high GPAs because it balances out a lower LSAT in most cases. Particulary for t1 schools hyperfocused on rankings. Penn seems to only accept 3.8+ and waitlist the rest and Stanford's lawschoolnumber looks the same. I wonder if there's any truth to this; by accepting splitters and reverse splitters they can give less scholarships out and balance their medians, etc...

I will be the exception for Penn then. TLS also said I would be waitlisted and I wasnt...

I think that admissions are more nuanced than anyone gives them credit for.

[bunney_j]

In Ann Ivey's admissions book she says that schools like to take URM with high GPAs because it balances out a lower LSAT in most cases. Particulary for t1 schools hyperfocused on rankings. Penn seems to only accept 3.8+ and waitlist the rest and Stanford's lawschoolnumber looks the same. I wonder if there's any truth to this; by accepting splitters and reverse splitters they can give less scholarships out and balance their medians, etc...

I will be the exception for Penn then. TLS also said I would be waitlisted and I wasnt...

I think that admissions are more nuanced than anyone gives them credit for.

But your named LSAT is higher than their median. I was speaking about URM reverse splitters. I think we all know the albatross/black box that admissions can be, but Ivey's book does mention this specific point and she is a former dean at Chicago and a tier 3 & tier 2 school. Just saying - I think there might be some validity to looking at URMs who are reverse splitters for a reason.