LGBTQ C/O 2020 Forum

[KateMcKitten]

To the two other Boston respondents: Hi!

*waves* My response is 100% hope and willing the universe to make it happen as I'm still waiting on decisions.

[LenasLuthors]

Anyone planning to go to any of the OUTLAWS / LGBTQ events at ASWs?

[KateMcKitten]

Anyone planning to go to any of the OUTLAWS / LGBTQ events at ASWs?

I definitely am, if/when I get in. I want to find my people. I went with my gf to the HLS LGBT brunch last year and it was in a big-name professor's gorgeous house.

[s3mant1x]

Does anyone know about OUTLaw at UT or Lambda at Cornell? I know Cornell has 2 LGBT clinics ayy

[KateMcKitten]

Registered for the Lambda dinner for the April HLS ASW! Hope I'll see some of your shining faces there.

[Rigo]

Registered for the Lambda dinner for the April HLS ASW! Hope I'll see some of your shining faces there.

lulz I'm a dumb gay but have fun!

[Instrumental]

Sup superfriends.

[Po$eidon]

Looking like Cornell for me (gay male here). Nice scholly. Still Ithaca for someone who has lived in NYC for quite a while now? *shivers*

[KateMcKitten]

Sup superfriends.

Oh haaaaay! I love seeing people I see on other threads out themselves here.

[sfn91]

Sup superfriends.

Oh haaaaay! I love seeing people I see on other threads out themselves here.

Thought the same exact thing when I saw Instrumental's post haha.

[Hennessy]

checking in as a queer future dark-alley-dumpster resident

[tncats]

checking in as a repressed bi woman, ready to get super unrepressed. hi

[daaaaamnjulianna]

Oh praise the lawd this is here. Anyone have insight about WUSTL? That $$$ (esp given PI goals) is so tempting, but I don't want to be the only living gay in St. Louis.

[KateMcKitten]

checking in as a queer future dark-alley-dumpster resident

checking in as a repressed bi woman, ready to get super unrepressed. hi

Oh praise the lawd this is here. Anyone have insight about WUSTL? That $$$ (esp given PI goals) is so tempting, but I don't want to be the only living gay in St. Louis.

Hey friends! Welcome to queer utopia (jk this just is a lil thread but welcome anyway).

[KateMcKitten]

"Homosexuality is nothing worse than failing to fulfill stereotypical gender roles." -Posner's concurring opinion on Hively v. Ivy Tech Community College

Thoughts? I think that's a really odd and unique way of putting it, personally.

[Rigo]

"Homosexuality is nothing worse than failing to fulfill stereotypical gender roles." -Posner's concurring opinion on Hively v. Ivy Tech Community College
Thoughts? I think that's a really odd and unique way of putting it, personally.

Hey, I'll take it. Not really into the implication without context that a natural trait is comparable to nurtured norms though.

[Po$eidon]

"Homosexuality is nothing worse than failing to fulfill stereotypical gender roles." -Posner's concurring opinion on Hively v. Ivy Tech Community College

Thoughts? I think that's a really odd and unique way of putting it, personally.

Very clinical. Also by comparing it in the negative (no worse) it seemingly accepts that it is indeed a negative

[sfn91]

"Homosexuality is nothing worse than failing to fulfill stereotypical gender roles." -Posner's concurring opinion on Hively v. Ivy Tech Community College

Thoughts? I think that's a really odd and unique way of putting it, personally.

I think it's odd as a general statement, but in the context of the opinion/legalese it makes complete sense and doesn't sound that weird. A lot of discrimination against LGBT people is due to the failure to conform to gender stereotypes/roles, which has its basis in sex. A lesbian who is fired for being a lesbian is not much different than a woman being discriminated against because of non-conformance to other gender-role expectations. It's pretty much because of the non-conformance that she's being discriminated against.

[Rigo]

I wish I was a brainy gay.

[KateMcKitten]

Very clinical. Also by comparing it in the negative (no worse) it seemingly accepts that it is indeed a negative

Thank you for identifying why the phrasing makes me so uncomfortable! It implies that both are negative (or at least not positive) traits.

Hey, I'll take it. Not really into the implication without context that a natural trait is comparable to nurtured norms though.

Yeah. Like...gender =/= sex (although sex =/= sexual orientation, either, and that's what this argument hinged on, so maybe I'll just keep quiet.)

[Rigo]

Very clinical. Also by comparing it in the negative (no worse) it seemingly accepts that it is indeed a negative

Thank you for identifying why the phrasing makes me so uncomfortable! It implies that both are negative (or at least not positive) traits.

Yeah this was good. Po$*eidon for intellectual ringleader!

*Edited to show solidarity with Ke$ha

[Rigo]

Do people ITT know where they're going yet?

[Monday]

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[KateMcKitten]

"Homosexuality is nothing worse than failing to fulfill stereotypical gender roles." -Posner's concurring opinion on Hively v. Ivy Tech Community College

Thoughts? I think that's a really odd and unique way of putting it, personally.

I think it's odd as a general statement, but in the context of the opinion/legalese it makes complete sense and doesn't sound that weird. A lot of discrimination against LGBT people is due to the failure to conform to gender stereotypes/roles, which has its basis in sex. A lesbian who is fired for being a lesbian is not much different than a woman being discriminated against because of non-conformance to other gender-role expectations. It's pretty much because of the non-conformance that she's being discriminated against.

Totally fair; it is out of context and I do very much appreciate the rest of the paragraph. However, it's the conclusion of the paragraph so it should be able to stand more or less on its own, IMO. As a femme lesbian, I adhere to almost all the gender roles placed on me, so it's hard for me to see it as gender role nonconformity. Although I do see how more outwardly queer people would have that line blurred.

Here is the context btw:

But it has taken our courts and our society a considerable while to realize that sexual harassment, which has been pervasive in many workplaces (including many Capitol Hill offices and, notoriously, Fox News, among many other institutions), is a form of sex discrimination. It has taken a little longer for realization to dawn that discrimination based on a woman's failure to fulfill stereotypical gender roles is also a form of sex discrimination. And it has taken still longer, with a substantial volume of cases struggling and failing to maintain a plausible, defensible line between sex discrimination and sexual-orientation discrimination, to realize that homosexuality is nothing worse than failing to fulfill stereotypical gender roles