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lol a 3.3 168 AA female is 100% getting Penn.

Can't tell if this is sarcastic or not, but I'd hate for an AA female really targeting Penn to read this and get disappointed with the way her cycle plays out. A lot of people have great cycles (t6 acceptances, full scholys, etc) and still get waitlisted at P due to their extreme YP.

Admittedly, these aren't all AA females (though the AA males should have even better cycles due to the smaller applicant pool), but just last year's TLS cycle results show the following applicants waitlisted at Penn.

3.2x/168 AA
3.3/169 AA
3.4x/170 AA (but accepted at H)
3.9/168 MA (but accepted at YHS)
no GPA/170 AA (but accepted at H)
3.7/165 AA (but accepted at H)

Wow fuck Penn seriously

Yep. Here are a couple additional data points (and their ranking out t14) about the Penn waitlist situation..

Percent of applicants waitlisted, past three cycles:
2. Penn: 42.7% (672 of 1,575 applicants on LSN were waitlisted)

Percent of all waitlisted applicants who are eventually admitted, past three cycles:
13. Penn: 3% (672 waitlists on LSN, 20 eventually admitted)

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lol a 3.3 168 AA female is 100% getting Penn.

Can't tell if this is sarcastic or not, but I'd hate for an AA female really targeting Penn to read this and get disappointed with the way her cycle plays out. A lot of people have great cycles (t6 acceptances, full scholys, etc) and still get waitlisted at P due to their extreme YP.

Admittedly, these aren't all AA females (though the AA males should have even better cycles due to the smaller applicant pool), but just last year's TLS cycle results show the following applicants waitlisted at Penn.

3.2x/168 AA
3.3/169 AA
3.4x/170 AA (but accepted at H)
3.9/168 MA (but accepted at YHS)
no GPA/170 AA (but accepted at H)
3.7/165 AA (but accepted at H)

Wow fuck Penn seriously

Yep. Here are a couple additional data points (and their ranking out t14) about the Penn waitlist situation..

Percent of applicants waitlisted, past three cycles:
2. Penn: 42.7% (672 of 1,575 applicants on LSN were waitlisted)

Percent of all waitlisted applicants who are eventually admitted, past three cycles:
13. Penn: 3% (672 waitlists on LSN, 20 eventually admitted)

To be clear, I'm saying they wouldn't get dinged for not being good enough. YP is a different issue, being dinged for being too good is a luxury problem. You can easily overcome YP. You can't really use those data to suggest that 3.3 168 AA people can't get into Penn. All that indicates is they blanketed and didn't target Penn. I assure you if you explain to the admissions office that you want to attend Penn as a 3.3 168 AA, you won't get YPed

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To be clear, I'm saying they wouldn't get dinged for not being good enough. YP is a different issue, being dinged for being too good is a luxury problem. You can easily overcome YP. You can't really use those data to suggest that 3.3 168 AA people can't get into Penn. All that indicates is they blanketed and didn't target Penn. I assure you if you explain to the admissions office that you want to attend Penn as a 3.3 168 AA, you won't get YPed

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Pretty sure a lot of those dings relate to people electing not to write the Why Penn essay.

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lol a 3.3 168 AA female is 100% getting Penn.

Can't tell if this is sarcastic or not, but I'd hate for an AA female really targeting Penn to read this and get disappointed with the way her cycle plays out. A lot of people have great cycles (t6 acceptances, full scholys, etc) and still get waitlisted at P due to their extreme YP.

Admittedly, these aren't all AA females (though the AA males should have even better cycles due to the smaller applicant pool), but just last year's TLS cycle results show the following applicants waitlisted at Penn.

3.2x/168 AA
3.3/169 AA
3.4x/170 AA (but accepted at H)
3.9/168 MA (but accepted at YHS)
no GPA/170 AA (but accepted at H)
3.7/165 AA (but accepted at H)

Wow fuck Penn seriously

Yep. Here are a couple additional data points (and their ranking out t14) about the Penn waitlist situation..

Percent of applicants waitlisted, past three cycles:
2. Penn: 42.7% (672 of 1,575 applicants on LSN were waitlisted)

Percent of all waitlisted applicants who are eventually admitted, past three cycles:
13. Penn: 3% (672 waitlists on LSN, 20 eventually admitted)

To be clear, I'm saying they wouldn't get dinged for not being good enough. YP is a different issue, being dinged for being too good is a luxury problem. You can easily overcome YP. You can't really use those data to suggest that 3.3 168 AA people can't get into Penn. All that indicates is they blanketed and didn't target Penn. I assure you if you explain to the admissions office that you want to attend Penn as a 3.3 168 AA, you won't get YPed

You originally said "100% getting Penn," and that's just nowhere close to being true. Who cares why they didn't get it? If someone wanted to go there (or even just applied for negotiating purposes), all that matters is that they didn't get it. Also, if it was easy to get over being YPd, Penn wouldn't have the second worst percent of admits off the waitlist. If you read through the Penn waiting threads, you can see plenty of people who really wanted Penn, wrote why penn addenda, and still got left behind. Many follow that up with LOCIs, and that still doesn't work. We're basically talking about my exact situation here, and I've been watching these trends for 3+ cycles. No one said 3.3/168 AAs couldn't get Penn. The cycle result threads I brought up prove they can. But that doesn't change the fact that getting waitlisted is the most likely outcome.

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lol a 3.3 168 AA female is 100% getting Penn.

Can't tell if this is sarcastic or not, but I'd hate for an AA female really targeting Penn to read this and get disappointed with the way her cycle plays out. A lot of people have great cycles (t6 acceptances, full scholys, etc) and still get waitlisted at P due to their extreme YP.

Admittedly, these aren't all AA females (though the AA males should have even better cycles due to the smaller applicant pool), but just last year's TLS cycle results show the following applicants waitlisted at Penn.

3.2x/168 AA
3.3/169 AA
3.4x/170 AA (but accepted at H)
3.9/168 MA (but accepted at YHS)
no GPA/170 AA (but accepted at H)
3.7/165 AA (but accepted at H)

Wow fuck Penn seriously

Yep. Here are a couple additional data points (and their ranking out t14) about the Penn waitlist situation..

Percent of applicants waitlisted, past three cycles:
2. Penn: 42.7% (672 of 1,575 applicants on LSN were waitlisted)

Percent of all waitlisted applicants who are eventually admitted, past three cycles:
13. Penn: 3% (672 waitlists on LSN, 20 eventually admitted)

To be clear, I'm saying they wouldn't get dinged for not being good enough. YP is a different issue, being dinged for being too good is a luxury problem. You can easily overcome YP. You can't really use those data to suggest that 3.3 168 AA people can't get into Penn. All that indicates is they blanketed and didn't target Penn. I assure you if you explain to the admissions office that you want to attend Penn as a 3.3 168 AA, you won't get YPed

You originally said "100% getting Penn," and that's just nowhere close to being true. Who cares why they didn't get it? If someone wanted to go there (or even just applied for negotiating purposes), all that matters is that they didn't get it. Also, if it was easy to get over being YPd, Penn wouldn't have the second worst percent of admits off the waitlist. If you read through the Penn waiting threads, you can see plenty of people who really wanted Penn, wrote why penn addenda, and still got left behind. Many follow that up with LOCIs, and that still doesn't work. We're basically talking about my exact situation here, and I've been watching these trends for 3+ cycles. No one said 3.3/168 AAs couldn't get Penn. The cycle result threads I brought up prove they can. But that doesn't change the fact that getting waitlisted is the most likely outcome.

If you've been waitlisted, you didn't do it right. I'm not talking about getting off a YP waitlist, I'm talking about getting admitted straight out without a waitlist YP. People need to stop thinking that a generic why statement is enough to avoid YP. People write those for every school. Penn Admissions specifically told me in person that they really have no idea why they have the reputation of caring about "Why" essays any more than any other school, and chuckled about the perception that they are a mandatory part of a good Penn app. If you're targeting Penn and you have YP numbers but actually do want to attend, do more than that. Visit. Talk to them about your situation, explain to them that you will back it up with a commitment to matriculate if you negotiate scholarships that work. "I like Penn cuz its close to my family and I have always wanted to go to penn and I like quakers" essays ain't shit and the majority of apps they receive will have them. If you want different results distinguish yourself. But what do I know, I've only interacted with every matriculant in the last 2 years here and know lots of above both median applicants who magically didn't get waitlisted by making clear that they wanted to attend...

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lol a 3.3 168 AA female is 100% getting Penn.

Can't tell if this is sarcastic or not, but I'd hate for an AA female really targeting Penn to read this and get disappointed with the way her cycle plays out. A lot of people have great cycles (t6 acceptances, full scholys, etc) and still get waitlisted at P due to their extreme YP.

Admittedly, these aren't all AA females (though the AA males should have even better cycles due to the smaller applicant pool), but just last year's TLS cycle results show the following applicants waitlisted at Penn.

3.2x/168 AA
3.3/169 AA
3.4x/170 AA (but accepted at H)
3.9/168 MA (but accepted at YHS)
no GPA/170 AA (but accepted at H)
3.7/165 AA (but accepted at H)

Wow fuck Penn seriously

Yep. Here are a couple additional data points (and their ranking out t14) about the Penn waitlist situation..

Percent of applicants waitlisted, past three cycles:
2. Penn: 42.7% (672 of 1,575 applicants on LSN were waitlisted)

Percent of all waitlisted applicants who are eventually admitted, past three cycles:
13. Penn: 3% (672 waitlists on LSN, 20 eventually admitted)

To be clear, I'm saying they wouldn't get dinged for not being good enough. YP is a different issue, being dinged for being too good is a luxury problem. You can easily overcome YP. You can't really use those data to suggest that 3.3 168 AA people can't get into Penn. All that indicates is they blanketed and didn't target Penn. I assure you if you explain to the admissions office that you want to attend Penn as a 3.3 168 AA, you won't get YPed

You originally said "100% getting Penn," and that's just nowhere close to being true. Who cares why they didn't get it? If someone wanted to go there (or even just applied for negotiating purposes), all that matters is that they didn't get it. Also, if it was easy to get over being YPd, Penn wouldn't have the second worst percent of admits off the waitlist. If you read through the Penn waiting threads, you can see plenty of people who really wanted Penn, wrote why penn addenda, and still got left behind. Many follow that up with LOCIs, and that still doesn't work. We're basically talking about my exact situation here, and I've been watching these trends for 3+ cycles. No one said 3.3/168 AAs couldn't get Penn. The cycle result threads I brought up prove they can. But that doesn't change the fact that getting waitlisted is the most likely outcome.

If you've been waitlisted, you didn't do it right. I'm not talking about getting off a YP waitlist, I'm talking about getting admitted straight out without a waitlist YP. People need to stop thinking that a generic why statement is enough to avoid YP. People write those for every school. Penn Admissions specifically told me in person that they really have no idea why they have the reputation of caring about "Why" essays any more than any other school, and chuckled about the perception that they are a mandatory part of a good Penn app. If you're targeting Penn and you have YP numbers but actually do want to attend, do more than that. Visit. Talk to them about your situation, explain to them that you will back it up with a commitment to matriculate if you negotiate scholarships that work. "I like Penn cuz its close to my family and I have always wanted to go to penn and I like quakers" essays ain't shit and the majority of apps they receive will have them. If you want different results distinguish yourself. But what do I know, I've only interacted with every matriculant in the last 2 years here and know lots of above both median applicants who magically didn't get waitlisted by making clear that they wanted to attend...

I totally appreciate hearing insight from current students, but I feel like you keep moving the goalposts here. First you said a 168/3.3 AA would "100% get Penn." I showed that to be false. Then you said YP was easy to avoid if applicants "explain to the admissions office that you want to attend." I explained that my experience and many others in the Penn waiting threads show this to be false as well. Now you're saying why Penn essays may not be very useful, but it's still easy to avoid YP if you visit the school and talk to the admissions people about your situation. I can contest that as we'll, but at this point, I'm not even sure what I'd be arguing for. I mean...not everyone can afford to go to Penn just to have a conversation, and I think if that is just one part of what it takes to possibly avoid YP, then it certainly isn't what I would call easy.

I think your impression of how easy it is to avoid YP and get into Penn May be somewhat colored by your interactions. If most of the people you're talking to are current students at Penn, I think you'll naturally get a different perspective than you would talking to people on the outside looking in. I have legit ties to Penn, I have visited, and I truly hope to get in when I reapply this year. I would love to see more URM applicants have the simple and straightforward path to Penn acceptances you claim are there, but I personally haven't seen it, and the Penn related threads on this site don't support it. Hopefully that changes this yr.