URM 2014-2015 Cycle Thread Forum

DiniMae · Post by **DiniMae** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:51 am

FairchildFLT wrote:
lc39 wrote:
FairchildFLT wrote:Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question, but I have never had to put my parents information into FAFSA.
Right - but I'm saying that doesn't necessarily apply to NeedAccess (a separate form that is required by many schools in addition to the FAFSA).
Agreed. I've never applied for NeedAccess, I've only done the FAFSA, so I have no idea.

Yea unfortunately the schools that have accepted me require parent info despite me being labeled independent by fafsa. My parents texted me "lol" when I asked for their info. They then called like "ummm are you serious??" I joined the military as a teen so I haven't been supported since.......

DiniMae · Post by **DiniMae** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:56 am

cc78 wrote:I'm going to go ahead and withdraw from Michigan and Duke, because they obviously aren't in any hurry to even give me a decision (I've been complete since September 4th with both).

I took a scroll through some school applicant threads and saw how many people are waiting to hear or are held at schools that I've been accepted to. I felt guilty because some of them I know I absolutely won't attend (super safeties). I think I'll have good kharma if I start sending my withdrawal emails, right? Anyone started sending in their emails?

cc78 · Post by **cc78** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:57 am

Um, yeah, NeedAccess is just total *lol* parent info from both parents for clearly independent people? I haven't even spoken to my father in 25 years...should I go track him down now?

C'mon NYU and Columbia...(these are the two I can think of right now who do this)

cc78 · Post by **cc78** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:01 am

DiniMae wrote:
cc78 wrote:I'm going to go ahead and withdraw from Michigan and Duke, because they obviously aren't in any hurry to even give me a decision (I've been complete since September 4th with both).
I took a scroll through some school applicant threads and saw how many people are waiting to hear or are held at schools that I've been accepted to. I felt guilty because some of them I know I absolutely won't attend (super safeties). I think I'll have good kharma if I start sending my withdrawal emails, right? Anyone started sending in their emails?

Yes, there are legions of hopeful waiters out there. But, I think it's a balance of choosing when to withdraw. I think if you've been admitted and have your aid offer and know you're not going, it's ethical to withdraw to open the seat to someone on the WL who will attend if admitted. Those WL folks should have ample time to get their lives in order in advance of school starting.

I think it's perfectly defensible to wait for aid from any school you're admitted to. Big time named scholarships sometimes come as a surprise and I can imagine getting a Ruby changes preference schemes pretty significantly. Also, you never know when you'll need to negotiate scholarships.

There's the other category of defensible withdrawal...the stop screwing with me withdrawal. After I sent Duke and Michigan my withdrawal emails they replied wanting to know what law school I would be attending. Hm, maybe I'll let them know when I get around to it. Sorry, I'm bitter.

03282016 · Post by **03282016** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:12 am

DiniMae · Post by **DiniMae** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:15 am

cc78 wrote:Um, yeah, NeedAccess is just total *lol* parent info from both parents for clearly independent people? I haven't even spoken to my father in 25 years...should I go track him down now?

C'mon NYU and Columbia...(these are the two I can think of right now who do this)

Yea it's very weird to me because my parents have zero interest in contributing beyond a flight home for the holidays. Lol.

So I have the first 2 years of tuition and fees paid for through the gi bill for every school except gulc. However, I was told that if I want any finaid for 3L then I have to apply now pre-1L. I'm assuming this is correct, which is why my parents may be involved. But if all schools don't require parental income if you're considered independent, then I'll wait and submit that info after more (potential) acceptances come in.

DiniMae · Post by **DiniMae** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:22 am

cc78 wrote:
DiniMae wrote:
cc78 wrote:I'm going to go ahead and withdraw from Michigan and Duke, because they obviously aren't in any hurry to even give me a decision (I've been complete since September 4th with both).
I took a scroll through some school applicant threads and saw how many people are waiting to hear or are held at schools that I've been accepted to. I felt guilty because some of them I know I absolutely won't attend (super safeties). I think I'll have good kharma if I start sending my withdrawal emails, right? Anyone started sending in their emails?
Yes, there are legions of hopeful waiters out there. But, I think it's a balance of choosing when to withdraw. I think if you've been admitted and have your aid offer and know you're not going, it's ethical to withdraw to open the seat to someone on the WL who will attend if admitted. Those WL folks should have ample time to get their lives in order in advance of school starting.

I think it's perfectly defensible to wait for aid from any school you're admitted to. Big time named scholarships sometimes come as a surprise and I can imagine getting a Ruby changes preference schemes pretty significantly. Also, you never know when you'll need to negotiate scholarships.

There's the other category of defensible withdrawal...the stop screwing with me withdrawal. After I sent Duke and Michigan my withdrawal emails they replied wanting to know what law school I would be attending. Hm, maybe I'll let them know when I get around to it. Sorry, I'm bitter.

I'm non-PT at Duke, so I'm on that wait train.

Because 2 of my 3 years are already paid for (with a housing stipend), potential scholarships from schools I have lukewarm feelings about aren't as relevant. I'm interested in IP, so I would gladly take out loans at Berkeley for 3L versus a free 3L at Cornell (just an EX, I didn't apply to Cornell).

AOT · Post by **AOT** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:27 am

Late to the game but congratulations Jem and LC

.

No idea how I'm going to get my dads information onto a needs access form. As far as I'm aware he doesn't even have a bank account..

03282016 · Post by **03282016** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:44 am

AOT · Post by **AOT** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:49 am

Wahrheit wrote:
alloverthat wrote:Late to the game but congratulations Jem and LC .

No idea how I'm going to get my dads information onto a needs access form. As far as I'm aware he doesn't even have a bank account..
I would assume you can email the schools you're considering to explain your situation and they'll advise you on how to proceed. I was going to have to do the same thing about my mom.

Yeah I will do. Still waiting on W2s etc

jemthey17 · Post by **jemthey17** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:45 pm

Slots opened up for JS1s, so it's looking like a wave is coming. Fingers crossed for people ITT!

gamerish · Post by **gamerish** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:49 pm

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Tr3 · Post by **Tr3** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:55 pm

RE: NeedAccess

I think *some* schools will waive your parent/s portion if you email them and explain the situation (but from what I gather, this is rarely approved). Also *some* schools only require you to do needaccess one time.

I'm also pretty sure that any public school will only require FAFSA, which doesn't require parent income.

jemthey17 · Post by **jemthey17** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:56 pm

Is there room for scholarship info for the spreadsheet (Sheet 2)? Or would people feel that makes you too identifiable?

Dream_weaver32 · Post by **Dream_weaver32** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:58 pm

jemthey17 wrote:Is there room for scholarship info for the spreadsheet (Sheet 2)? Or would people feel that makes you too identifiable?

We could make that happen, but don't want to do anything without mass approval.

cc78 · Post by **cc78** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:07 pm

Sadly on the anonymity front, I think if anyone is truthful with their numbers and maybe one other element in their background, an adcom is going to be able to figure out who we are. There just aren't that many URMs with the kind of numbers of folks in these parts.

That being said, I'm all for adding scholarship info.

LoganCouture · Post by **LoganCouture** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:31 pm

cc78 wrote:
DiniMae wrote:
cc78 wrote:I'm going to go ahead and withdraw from Michigan and Duke, because they obviously aren't in any hurry to even give me a decision (I've been complete since September 4th with both).
I took a scroll through some school applicant threads and saw how many people are waiting to hear or are held at schools that I've been accepted to. I felt guilty because some of them I know I absolutely won't attend (super safeties). I think I'll have good kharma if I start sending my withdrawal emails, right? Anyone started sending in their emails?
Yes, there are legions of hopeful waiters out there. But, I think it's a balance of choosing when to withdraw. I think if you've been admitted and have your aid offer and know you're not going, it's ethical to withdraw to open the seat to someone on the WL who will attend if admitted. Those WL folks should have ample time to get their lives in order in advance of school starting.

I think it's perfectly defensible to wait for aid from any school you're admitted to. Big time named scholarships sometimes come as a surprise and I can imagine getting a Ruby changes preference schemes pretty significantly. Also, you never know when you'll need to negotiate scholarships.

There's the other category of defensible withdrawal...the stop screwing with me withdrawal. After I sent Duke and Michigan my withdrawal emails they replied wanting to know what law school I would be attending. Hm, maybe I'll let them know when I get around to it. Sorry, I'm bitter.

I haven't withdrawn anywhere yet because:
a) Need to see all scholly offers before I make a decision, and currently I only have one.
b) Typically schools won't pull off the WL until spring (April at the earliest?) anyway so it really doesn't help people who are already WL if I withdraw before that.

jemthey17 wrote:Is there room for scholarship info for the spreadsheet (Sheet 2)? Or would people feel that makes you too identifiable?

I personally am not concerned with being identified because I post a lot on these forums and I'm sure any adcom who cares to read TLS can figure out who I am (and it doesn't seem to have hurt my cycle any). However, I intend to keep scholly offers private until I finish negotiating. I don't know if that's unnecessary paranoia considering how open I've been about other things but money will be a big factor for me this cycle and I'd like to withhold that info from adcoms if I can. I don't want them to see that X peer/lower ranked school lowballed me and offer something less than they otherwise would have, or see that Y higher ranked school gave me a big scholarship and not give me anything because they figure I'd rather go there.

That said, I don't see any harm in adding that as something people can share in the spreadsheet. People can always choose not to share if they don't want to.

gold33 · Post by **gold33** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:55 pm

I really should have applied earlier. Submitted mid-Jan and am so anxious to receive just one decision. Worried that I'm going to spend this weekend drunk dialing all the schools on my list

Tr3 · Post by **Tr3** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:07 pm

gold33 wrote:I really should have applied earlier. Submitted mid-Jan and am so anxious to receive just one decision. Worried that I'm going to spend this weekend drunk dialing all the schools on my list

Just take your drunk aggression out on snapchat. It's so nice that they disappear in 3 seconds. =)

03282016 · Post by **03282016** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:16 pm

Skool · Post by **Skool** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:35 pm

gold33 wrote:I really should have applied earlier. Submitted mid-Jan and am so anxious to receive just one decision. Worried that I'm going to spend this weekend drunk dialing all the schools on my list

I used to feel the same way. I think schools are really experienced and careful about judging borderline candiates early in the cycle against borderline candidates later in the cycle. Auto-admits are auto-admits.

I wouldn't worry too much. I think the old early bird gets the worm thing might be a bit dated in these latter days.

Tr3 · Post by **Tr3** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:36 pm

OMG IN AT COLUMBIA!!!! I'm at work and when the email came I immediately had to get up and take a walk because I'm so jittery! Still am!!!

03282016 · Post by **03282016** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:36 pm

LoganCouture · Post by **LoganCouture** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:37 pm

Tr3 wrote:OMG IN AT COLUMBIA!!!! I'm at work and when the email came I immediately had to get up and take a walk because I'm so jittery! Still am!!!

jemthey17 · Post by **jemthey17** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:39 pm

Tr3 wrote:OMG IN AT COLUMBIA!!!! I'm at work and when the email came I immediately had to get up and take a walk because I'm so jittery! Still am!!!

Amazing! Congrats!!!!!

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