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Which of these April ASWs do you plan to attend?

Yale (4/16-4/18)
5
16%
Stanford (4/25-4/27)
5
16%
Harvard (4/18-4/20)
10
32%
Chicago (4/9-4/11)
4
13%
NYU (4/16-4/17
1
3%
Penn (4/13)
1
3%
Michigan (4/9-4/11)
2
6%
Northwestern (4/10-4/11)
2
6%
Cornell (4/17)
1
3%
 
Total votes: 31

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Re: URM 2014-2015 Cycle Thread

Post by Yaaaas2013 » Sat Sep 27, 2014 8:59 pm

IDream247 wrote:Hi I just have a question. You guys that are scoring in the mid to upper 160s what did you guys do to study. I know there are guides out there but I'm curious as to your personal methods. I have taken it once already but panicked and did not do well. I am taking the 7sage prep course, I have the PS LG bible, PS LR bible, the Manhattan RC, and another Lsat prep book. I also have most of the official prep test. Would you guys advise me to do timed sections, just full test, or a combination of both. Any advice you have, I'd appreciate it.

This. I'm taking both the gre and LSAT this fall. I want to do joint JD/MA programs. I'm thinking that I should just apply to MA programs but I'm not sure if I'll get into any programs. Sigh... I'm darn near perfect at logic games, okay at rc, and horrible at lr. I've tried drilling question types and I'm still having problems.

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Re: URM 2014-2015 Cycle Thread

Post by LSATneurotic » Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:52 am

Yaaaas2013 wrote:
IDream247 wrote:Hi I just have a question. You guys that are scoring in the mid to upper 160s what did you guys do to study. I know there are guides out there but I'm curious as to your personal methods. I have taken it once already but panicked and did not do well. I am taking the 7sage prep course, I have the PS LG bible, PS LR bible, the Manhattan RC, and another Lsat prep book. I also have most of the official prep test. Would you guys advise me to do timed sections, just full test, or a combination of both. Any advice you have, I'd appreciate it.

This. I'm taking both the gre and LSAT this fall. I want to do joint JD/MA programs. I'm thinking that I should just apply to MA programs but I'm not sure if I'll get into any programs. Sigh... I'm darn near perfect at logic games, okay at rc, and horrible at lr. I've tried drilling question types and I'm still having problems.
I'm certainly not the highest scoring individual here, so take this with a grain of salt:

I'd recommend taking as many practice exams under timed conditions as possible. I did four sections straight with no break when i was studying. Review your mistakes and questions you struggled with! i did 30 PTs and scored 170. Many people do more than that. Thr only book i consulted was the logic games bible. Aside from that, it was all practice tests.

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Re: URM 2014-2015 Cycle Thread

Post by Skool » Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:04 pm

Hey everyone,

I got an invite to a joint deans of Duke/Cornell/ Stanford/NYU Q and A in my city. Are these invites common? Is it a URM thing, am I special? Probs not, obvi, just wondering.

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Re: URM 2014-2015 Cycle Thread

Post by LoganCouture » Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:35 pm

Skool wrote:Hey everyone,

I got an invite to a joint deans of Duke/Cornell/ Stanford/NYU Q and A in my city. Are these invites common? Is it a URM thing, am I special? Probs not, obvi, just wondering.
I think invites to Q&As are not limited to URMs and generally don't signify anything, but you'd probably have to ask non-URMs in your city to see if they also got invited.

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Post by ChuggaChuggaChooChoo » Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:27 pm

Checking in, reapplying this cycle with a higher LSAT score. For those of you who are reapplying, to what extent are you revising your Personal and Diversity Statements? Trying to figure out whether to just significantly edit mine or just to start from scratch.

As far as the Diversity statement goes, there are only so many ways to say what I'm trying to say haha

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Post by compass » Thu Oct 02, 2014 7:31 am

Skool wrote:Hey everyone,

I got an invite to a joint deans of Duke/Cornell/ Stanford/NYU Q and A in my city. Are these invites common? Is it a URM thing, am I special? Probs not, obvi, just wondering.
I went to the Boston event for those schools, there were very few URMs present. I don't know if their selection criteria is changing based on what city they're in, but I don't see why it would.

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Re: URM 2014-2015 Cycle Thread

Post by LSATneurotic » Thu Oct 02, 2014 11:50 am

ChuggaChuggaChooChoo wrote:Checking in, reapplying this cycle with a higher LSAT score. For those of you who are reapplying, to what extent are you revising your Personal and Diversity Statements? Trying to figure out whether to just significantly edit mine or just to start from scratch.

As far as the Diversity statement goes, there are only so many ways to say what I'm trying to say haha
If I were on an Adcom, I would definitely take note of an identical/similar PS or DS. It seems sort of lazy, doesn't it? You had all summer to prepare a new application, and you opted to send us the same thing?

Like most things, though, it likely depends on the individual school and the idiosycracies of the people reviewing your application.

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Re: URM 2014-2015 Cycle Thread

Post by LoganCouture » Thu Oct 02, 2014 12:17 pm

LSATneurotic wrote:
ChuggaChuggaChooChoo wrote:Checking in, reapplying this cycle with a higher LSAT score. For those of you who are reapplying, to what extent are you revising your Personal and Diversity Statements? Trying to figure out whether to just significantly edit mine or just to start from scratch.

As far as the Diversity statement goes, there are only so many ways to say what I'm trying to say haha
If I were on an Adcom, I would definitely take note of an identical/similar PS or DS. It seems sort of lazy, doesn't it? You had all summer to prepare a new application, and you opted to send us the same thing?

Like most things, though, it likely depends on the individual school and the idiosycracies of the people reviewing your application.
I can't pretend to know what adcoms think but I'd think a significantly higher LSAT score would change several admissions decisions from last cycle, even with no substantial change in essays. Provided it's not Y/S and that there were no glaring problems with the essays to begin with.

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Re: URM 2014-2015 Cycle Thread

Post by LSATneurotic » Thu Oct 02, 2014 12:28 pm

lc39 wrote:
LSATneurotic wrote:
ChuggaChuggaChooChoo wrote:Checking in, reapplying this cycle with a higher LSAT score. For those of you who are reapplying, to what extent are you revising your Personal and Diversity Statements? Trying to figure out whether to just significantly edit mine or just to start from scratch.

As far as the Diversity statement goes, there are only so many ways to say what I'm trying to say haha
If I were on an Adcom, I would definitely take note of an identical/similar PS or DS. It seems sort of lazy, doesn't it? You had all summer to prepare a new application, and you opted to send us the same thing?

Like most things, though, it likely depends on the individual school and the idiosycracies of the people reviewing your application.
I can't pretend to know what adcoms think but I'd think a significantly higher LSAT score would change several admissions decisions from last cycle, even with no substantial change in essays. Provided it's not Y/S and that there were no glaring problems with the essays to begin with.
^Truth.^

I am following you on LSN, btw.

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Re: URM 2014-2015 Cycle Thread

Post by LoganCouture » Thu Oct 02, 2014 12:33 pm

LSATneurotic wrote:
^Truth.^

I am following you on LSN, btw.
Thanks! Enjoy a nice long wait before any updates. I'm still chugging away on my essays and waiting on my last LOR to come in. But that still gives me a glimmer of hope of picking up the Col/Chi waivers when the CRS wave for Sep takers goes out.

I've been following you too :)

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Re: URM 2014-2015 Cycle Thread

Post by Skool » Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:47 pm

lc39 wrote:
Skool wrote:Hey everyone,

I got an invite to a joint deans of Duke/Cornell/ Stanford/NYU Q and A in my city. Are these invites common? Is it a URM thing, am I special? Probs not, obvi, just wondering.
I think invites to Q&As are not limited to URMs and generally don't signify anything, but you'd probably have to ask non-URMs in your city to see if they also got invited.
Yeah. I ended up going. Signified nothing and not a very effective use of time if you've spent even an hour on these boards.

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Re: URM 2014-2015 Cycle Thread

Post by LSATneurotic » Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:06 pm

Skool wrote:
lc39 wrote:
Skool wrote:Hey everyone,

I got an invite to a joint deans of Duke/Cornell/ Stanford/NYU Q and A in my city. Are these invites common? Is it a URM thing, am I special? Probs not, obvi, just wondering.
I think invites to Q&As are not limited to URMs and generally don't signify anything, but you'd probably have to ask non-URMs in your city to see if they also got invited.
Yeah. I ended up going. Signified nothing and not a very effective use of time if you've spent even an hour on these boards.
Did you get a chance to introduce yourself to the Deans?

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Post by jlwx » Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:12 pm

Hey guys,

First, I'm reporting acceptance to University of Virginia (Yay!).

Second, I'm wondering if you guys could weigh in on whether to write a diversity statement. Long story short, I wrote a four page personal statement that talked about my background, how I overcame the obstacles, and why I want to pursue a civil rights practice. I'm extremely proud of it and I believe it's the reason I got into UVA so quickly. Unfortunately, I am unable to use that statement for Penn, Harvard, or Stanford. I condensed the four page statement to two for those schools, but it's nowhere near as strong.

The first couple of paragraphs discuss the standard "too white for the black kids, too black for the white kids, and too gay for the straight kids" and how that affected me/my desire to go to law school. It's positive over all though-- I don't dwell on the negative and I discuss coming out and my experience at the civil rights firm I work at. I am concerned though that this is not enough information for HSP. I definitely want to write a diversity statement, but I'm wondering how it should be written. Should I use the space to go into more detail about my experience as a gay black kid? I was also considering being more meta and discussing the importance of different perspectives and explain why mine should be included in any legal discussion without going into much more detail about the experiences that I've had.

Any advice would be helpful! PM me if would like to see any of my statements to better assist me.

JW

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Re: URM 2014-2015 Cycle Thread

Post by Skool » Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:16 pm

LSATneurotic wrote:
Skool wrote:
lc39 wrote:
Skool wrote:Hey everyone,

I got an invite to a joint deans of Duke/Cornell/ Stanford/NYU Q and A in my city. Are these invites common? Is it a URM thing, am I special? Probs not, obvi, just wondering.
I think invites to Q&As are not limited to URMs and generally don't signify anything, but you'd probably have to ask non-URMs in your city to see if they also got invited.
Yeah. I ended up going. Signified nothing and not a very effective use of time if you've spent even an hour on these boards.
Did you get a chance to introduce yourself to the Deans?
Yeah, but only to one. They took very limited questions and the lines to chat with each were really long. I was only willing to stand in line to speak with one.

Shook hands, asked a couple of quick targeted questions. Doubt I made very much of an impression. If you stand out too much in one of those events, I think you're doing it wrong.

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Post by LSATneurotic » Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:41 pm

Really depends on your interpersonal skills--making a good impression will always open doors for you. Not making much of an impression is "doing it wrong" IMO.

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Post by LoganCouture » Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:42 pm

jlwx wrote:Hey guys,

First, I'm reporting acceptance to University of Virginia (Yay!).

Second, I'm wondering if you guys could weigh in on whether to write a diversity statement. Long story short, I wrote a four page personal statement that talked about my background, how I overcame the obstacles, and why I want to pursue a civil rights practice. I'm extremely proud of it and I believe it's the reason I got into UVA so quickly. Unfortunately, I am unable to use that statement for Penn, Harvard, or Stanford. I condensed the four page statement to two for those schools, but it's nowhere near as strong.

The first couple of paragraphs discuss the standard "too white for the black kids, too black for the white kids, and too gay for the straight kids" and how that affected me/my desire to go to law school. It's positive over all though-- I don't dwell on the negative and I discuss coming out and my experience at the civil rights firm I work at. I am concerned though that this is not enough information for HSP. I definitely want to write a diversity statement, but I'm wondering how it should be written. Should I use the space to go into more detail about my experience as a gay black kid? I was also considering being more meta and discussing the importance of different perspectives and explain why mine should be included in any legal discussion without going into much more detail about the experiences that I've had.

Any advice would be helpful! PM me if would like to see any of my statements to better assist me.

JW
I'm not writing a DS because my PS is largely about my "diversity." So I'm not the best to offer advice on writing a DS. Sorry!

Congrats on your acceptance!

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Post by Skool » Mon Oct 06, 2014 3:12 pm

LSATneurotic wrote:Really depends on your interpersonal skills--making a good impression will always open doors for you. Not making much of an impression is "doing it wrong" IMO.
It was a room of a hundred people and lots of people want their chance at talking to them. Trying to be the memorable 0L in that situation... sounds risky to me. Now, if I were to mention meeting the Dean at his talk, set up a meeting with him at a campus visit in the next couple weeks and give him another chance to tie my name to face to application... that might be the way to go.

A part of social skills is picking your spots. Gunning at a general/mass talk is the kind of behavior that makes law students hate each other.
jlwx wrote:Hey guys,

First, I'm reporting acceptance to University of Virginia (Yay!).

Second, I'm wondering if you guys could weigh in on whether to write a diversity statement. Long story short, I wrote a four page personal statement that talked about my background, how I overcame the obstacles, and why I want to pursue a civil rights practice. I'm extremely proud of it and I believe it's the reason I got into UVA so quickly. Unfortunately, I am unable to use that statement for Penn, Harvard, or Stanford. I condensed the four page statement to two for those schools, but it's nowhere near as strong.

The first couple of paragraphs discuss the standard "too white for the black kids, too black for the white kids, and too gay for the straight kids" and how that affected me/my desire to go to law school. It's positive over all though-- I don't dwell on the negative and I discuss coming out and my experience at the civil rights firm I work at. I am concerned though that this is not enough information for HSP. I definitely want to write a diversity statement, but I'm wondering how it should be written. Should I use the space to go into more detail about my experience as a gay black kid? I was also considering being more meta and discussing the importance of different perspectives and explain why mine should be included in any legal discussion without going into much more detail about the experiences that I've had.

Any advice would be helpful! PM me if would like to see any of my statements to better assist me.

JW
First off congrats, you're fucking killing it! Clearly you know what you're doing if you got UVa to let you in after a month of consideration, so the first thing I would do is trust my intuitions.

If I'm understanding what you're proposing correctly, I wouldn't give the deans a meta discussion on the importance of different perspectives. Much of their job in constructing a class depends on accepting the idea that differing perspectives are important. I would just focus on myself who I am, how I got to where I am, and how I apply my perspective in the classrooms and in relationships with peers/people. The important addition your perspective makes will speak for itself. If discussing your experience as a gay black kid is a part of that, yeah sure do it.

I don't really know about the level of detail needed in discussing the history of your "diverse" perspective, but I would think you want to tell a cohesive story that takes the reader on a journey, which it sounds like you already know what to do. The old heuristic "from what/through what/to what" applies.

This is all gibberish, you know what you're doing, play around, you'll get there eventually.

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Re: URM 2014-2015 Cycle Thread

Post by LSATneurotic » Mon Oct 06, 2014 3:30 pm

Skool:

Although there is truth in what you said, once again it really depends on your ability to communicate face to face. Another aspect of social skills is knowing how to make an impression without being overbearing. It is possible, but perhaps difficult, to stand out in a positive way from the crowd.

But hey, what do I know? No hate, brotha'. you do you.

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Post by alpha kenny body » Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:46 pm

If you've been accepted to a school, tell us by linking your LSN page or listing your stats. If you do not want to reveal the exact stats, inflate your LSAT by +1 and your GPA by .1.

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Post by 90convoy » Mon Oct 06, 2014 5:02 pm

Duke app just went under review..So excited to find out in a few days my first acceptance/denial!! Looking forward to this cycle a lot

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Post by sashafierce » Mon Oct 06, 2014 5:11 pm

Congrats on the acceptance jnlx. I'm not sure about the Diversity Statement but you should check the last cycle thread, I remember reading a few helpful post about that.

I feel like the thread from last year was wayyyy more active than this one, we need to keep the thread active guys :) Is anyone prepping for December? I'm stuck in the low 160s trying my best to get out of that hole.

Ic39, congrats that's a solid score!

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Post by Skool » Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:12 pm

Nah, took in September. Waiting on scores. I don't have much to contribute until then. Getting recs and statements together.

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Re: URM 2014-2015 Cycle Thread

Post by ChuggaChuggaChooChoo » Mon Oct 06, 2014 10:41 pm

jlwx wrote:Hey guys,

First, I'm reporting acceptance to University of Virginia (Yay!).

Second, I'm wondering if you guys could weigh in on whether to write a diversity statement. Long story short, I wrote a four page personal statement that talked about my background, how I overcame the obstacles, and why I want to pursue a civil rights practice. I'm extremely proud of it and I believe it's the reason I got into UVA so quickly. Unfortunately, I am unable to use that statement for Penn, Harvard, or Stanford. I condensed the four page statement to two for those schools, but it's nowhere near as strong.

The first couple of paragraphs discuss the standard "too white for the black kids, too black for the white kids, and too gay for the straight kids" and how that affected me/my desire to go to law school. It's positive over all though-- I don't dwell on the negative and I discuss coming out and my experience at the civil rights firm I work at. I am concerned though that this is not enough information for HSP. I definitely want to write a diversity statement, but I'm wondering how it should be written. Should I use the space to go into more detail about my experience as a gay black kid? I was also considering being more meta and discussing the importance of different perspectives and explain why mine should be included in any legal discussion without going into much more detail about the experiences that I've had.

Any advice would be helpful! PM me if would like to see any of my statements to better assist me.

JW
Congrats son, that's a big deal

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Post by davek » Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:45 pm

I'm just hoping this process doesn't drag out.

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