URM 2016-2017 Cycle Thread Forum

[uhwrestler]

I mean, regarding the whole "Just ignore it and keep it moving" type thing... doesn't anyone get TIRED of just EXCUSING racism? I'm tired of tip-toeing around in spaces and considering white feelings more than my own/having to educate white people on why things they say/do are racist and/or unacceptable. I think maybe gently saying "That's not appropriate" or "I find that offensive" is a better idea than just trying to laugh it off or take the high road.

ive been reading about human evolution a lot lately....i just feel like people will always have some tribal nature and bias toward people who dont look like them...i actually knew a white guy who was not an open racist (he was an ordinary young educated urban white guy) but he told me that it was hard for him not to feel that whites were superior to other races due to the massive technological, cultural, and scientific advancements made by europeans. He also blamed slavery on black men for being "cowards and bad at war" (his words not mine).

i just feel that even the most liberal whites carry some bias and i just dont see how it can be fully eradicated...

Um, I hate to tell you this. But your white guy you knew was most definitely a racist... ESPECIALLY because a lot of cultural advancements were ACTUALLY achieved by minorities lol. I feel like that's just a way to try to reconcile his racism.

Anyway, the point is I'm really tired of the excuses white people give AND the defenses minorities offer when someone white says something questionable.

Also, being biased towards someone isn't equivalent to feeling SUPERIOR to someone. Ya white friend fooled you. T'was a racist.

i never said he wasnt a racist....i said he was not an open racist. he was not some country kid in alabama....he was an ordinary white guy in a multicultural city at a multicultural university who had friends of multiple races and even dated a latina girl. i was just trying to show that even the ordinary white people that we often see as not racist or liberal often time hold deep racial prejudice. he was not the only one ive spoken to like this. one white girl i knew told me "asians are smart but whites are more creative and therefore whites invent more" this type of racial stereotype thinking is unfortunately pretty common

Oh, I'm fully aware that most (yes, most) white people hold racist views. I'm just saying it's not the duty of minorities to coddle them because it's a "common" thing.

i agree with you.....but i would go further and say that many asians, arabs, and latinos also hold racist views against blacks.

i actually think there is an unofficial racial hierarchy in american society with whites on top followed by asians followed by latinos followed by blacks with each race looking down on the race beneath them in this "caste" system.

also within the black race you have lighter skinned blacks looking down on darker blacks.

to me it just seems so hard to eradicate bias and racism from humans. i think its just a part of human nature and therefore something we will always have to deal with. i commend you for fighting it and standing up to it. me personally im just tired of it. its a fight to tough for me.

[PrezRand]

I thought this thread would be filled with discussions about race. I was happy when it wasn't. Yall killed my hope. Sigh. Ur all the same.

[uhwrestler]

I thought this thread would be filled with discussions about race. I was happy when it wasn't. Yall killed my hope. Sigh. Ur all the same.

we can change subjects....what do you guys think about the new rankings is UT a t14 or with georgetown out is it just t13 now?

[PrezRand]

I thought this thread would be filled with discussions about race. I was happy when it wasn't. Yall killed my hope. Sigh. Ur all the same.

we can change subjects....what do you guys think about the new rankings is UT a t14 or with georgetown out is it just t13 now?

TLS doesn't care, but I think other law school applicants will

[chasima]

No idea if you were joking or not, but there are literally thousands of threads on this site to discuss pretty much every aspect of law school admissions and just the law field in general. This is the "Underrepresented Minority" thread.

To all current and future URMs lurking this thread: not all of us are confused about how inherent bias affects your daily lives and how inappropriate it is that it affects your lives or the lives of people you care about via systemic racism. If you need a space to vent, advice on how to deal, or some support from someone who has a common experience with you, this is absolutely the place to do it and not feel ashamed or embarrassed about it.

[Dip]

I mean, regarding the whole "Just ignore it and keep it moving" type thing... doesn't anyone get TIRED of just EXCUSING racism? I'm tired of tip-toeing around in spaces and considering white feelings more than my own/having to educate white people on why things they say/do are racist and/or unacceptable. I think maybe gently saying "That's not appropriate" or "I find that offensive" is a better idea than just trying to laugh it off or take the high road.

ive been reading about human evolution a lot lately....i just feel like people will always have some tribal nature and bias toward people who dont look like them...i actually knew a white guy who was not an open racist (he was an ordinary young educated urban white guy) but he told me that it was hard for him not to feel that whites were superior to other races due to the massive technological, cultural, and scientific advancements made by europeans. He also blamed slavery on black men for being "cowards and bad at war" (his words not mine).

i just feel that even the most liberal whites carry some bias and i just dont see how it can be fully eradicated...

thats a pretty openly racist comment. Wow.

[acr440]

Posted way early in this thread, but chickened out on applying this cycle. Glad to comeback and see the great results. Congrats all.

[S.Picquery]

I mean, regarding the whole "Just ignore it and keep it moving" type thing... doesn't anyone get TIRED of just EXCUSING racism? I'm tired of tip-toeing around in spaces and considering white feelings more than my own/having to educate white people on why things they say/do are racist and/or unacceptable. I think maybe gently saying "That's not appropriate" or "I find that offensive" is a better idea than just trying to laugh it off or take the high road.

ive been reading about human evolution a lot lately....i just feel like people will always have some tribal nature and bias toward people who dont look like them...i actually knew a white guy who was not an open racist (he was an ordinary young educated urban white guy) but he told me that it was hard for him not to feel that whites were superior to other races due to the massive technological, cultural, and scientific advancements made by europeans. He also blamed slavery on black men for being "cowards and bad at war" (his words not mine).

i just feel that even the most liberal whites carry some bias and i just dont see how it can be fully eradicated...

thats a pretty openly racist comment. Wow.

Agreed with dip. Seems pretty "openly racist" to me.

[Hi-So - ArshavinFan]

Does anybody still have interviews left? I have three and thy're all this weekend

[brinicolec]

No idea if you were joking or not, but there are literally thousands of threads on this site to discuss pretty much every aspect of law school admissions and just the law field in general. This is the "Underrepresented Minority" thread.

To all current and future URMs lurking this thread: not all of us are confused about how inherent bias affects your daily lives and how inappropriate it is that it affects your lives or the lives of people you care about via systemic racism. If you need a space to vent, advice on how to deal, or some support from someone who has a common experience with you, this is absolutely the place to do it and not feel ashamed or embarrassed about it.

Agreed. The minority law student + minority lawyer communities are small and such spaces are definitely a necessity.

[brinicolec]

I mean, regarding the whole "Just ignore it and keep it moving" type thing... doesn't anyone get TIRED of just EXCUSING racism? I'm tired of tip-toeing around in spaces and considering white feelings more than my own/having to educate white people on why things they say/do are racist and/or unacceptable. I think maybe gently saying "That's not appropriate" or "I find that offensive" is a better idea than just trying to laugh it off or take the high road.

ive been reading about human evolution a lot lately....i just feel like people will always have some tribal nature and bias toward people who dont look like them...i actually knew a white guy who was not an open racist (he was an ordinary young educated urban white guy) but he told me that it was hard for him not to feel that whites were superior to other races due to the massive technological, cultural, and scientific advancements made by europeans. He also blamed slavery on black men for being "cowards and bad at war" (his words not mine).

i just feel that even the most liberal whites carry some bias and i just dont see how it can be fully eradicated...

thats a pretty openly racist comment. Wow.

Agreed with dip. Seems pretty "openly racist" to me.

Based on other things they said, I think they meant more like... he wasn't what you would ~ expect ~ a racist to look/act like.

[S.Picquery]

Based on other things they said, I think they meant more like... he wasn't what you would ~ expect ~ a racist to look/act like.

Idk about OP but the racists I've met tend to look like everybody else.

[2000andBeyond]

I mean, regarding the whole "Just ignore it and keep it moving" type thing... doesn't anyone get TIRED of just EXCUSING racism? I'm tired of tip-toeing around in spaces and considering white feelings more than my own/having to educate white people on why things they say/do are racist and/or unacceptable. I think maybe gently saying "That's not appropriate" or "I find that offensive" is a better idea than just trying to laugh it off or take the high road.

[S.Picquery]

I mean, regarding the whole "Just ignore it and keep it moving" type thing... doesn't anyone get TIRED of just EXCUSING racism? I'm tired of tip-toeing around in spaces and considering white feelings more than my own/having to educate white people on why things they say/do are racist and/or unacceptable. I think maybe gently saying "That's not appropriate" or "I find that offensive" is a better idea than just trying to laugh it off or take the high road.

+1

[Mr_Chukes]

What's up guys! All I have to say is we can do this and honestly what other people think about you really doesn't matter.

[2000andBeyond]

Just got through reading these comments about race. Very thought-provoking...

First of all, to the poster above who said they were disappointed this thread is now centering on race and navigating the legal realm as a minority, uhhh...why are you in the UNDER-REPRESENTED LAW STUDENT FORUM? lol These are important conversations, and it's important for us to create a safe space for each other.

Secondly, I think we can all agree that we are living in a time when microaggressions are so real. How you choose to deal with racism or prejudice is a deeply personal matter. Some people prefer to be vocal about their disapproval (hopefully in a mild manner), while some people choose to just let it roll of their back. Whatever preserves your sanity and mental well-being...do it!

[2000andBeyond]

No idea if you were joking or not, but there are literally thousands of threads on this site to discuss pretty much every aspect of law school admissions and just the law field in general. This is the "Underrepresented Minority" thread.

To all current and future URMs lurking this thread: not all of us are confused about how inherent bias affects your daily lives and how inappropriate it is that it affects your lives or the lives of people you care about via systemic racism. If you need a space to vent, advice on how to deal, or some support from someone who has a common experience with you, this is absolutely the place to do it and not feel ashamed or embarrassed about it.

+1 bigillion

[Mr_Chukes]

Just got through reading these comments about race. Very thought-provoking...

First of all, to the poster above who said they were disappointed this thread is now centering on race and navigating the legal realm as a minority, uhhh...why are you in the UNDER-REPRESENTED LAW STUDENT FORUM? lol These are important conversations, and it's important for us to create a space space for each other.

Secondly, I think we can all agree that we are living in a time where microaggressions are so real. How you choose to deal with racism or prejudice is a deeply personal matter. Some people prefer to be vocal about their disapproval (hopefully in a mild manner), while some people choose to just let it roll of their back. Whatever preserves your sanity and mental well-being...do it!

For me when someone focuses on race a thing that no one has control over or has no barring on what you can do or who you are. This may be elitist but I honestly know that they are a low person and have to use racism to make them feel better about themselves. So in a way it's actually pathetic to be a racist and that speaks for itself.

[2000andBeyond]

Just got through reading these comments about race. Very thought-provoking...

First of all, to the poster above who said they were disappointed this thread is now centering on race and navigating the legal realm as a minority, uhhh...why are you in the UNDER-REPRESENTED LAW STUDENT FORUM? lol These are important conversations, and it's important for us to create a space space for each other.

Secondly, I think we can all agree that we are living in a time where microaggressions are so real. How you choose to deal with racism or prejudice is a deeply personal matter. Some people prefer to be vocal about their disapproval (hopefully in a mild manner), while some people choose to just let it roll of their back. Whatever preserves your sanity and mental well-being...do it!

For me when someone focuses on race a thing that no one has control over or has no barring on what you can do or who you are. This may be elitist but I honestly know that they are a low person and have to use racism to make them feel better about themselves. So in a way it's actually pathetic to be a racist and that speaks for itself.

I think your point is definitely reasonable. If it helps you to focus on their ignorance instead of your oppression, that is preserving your mental well-being. I am here for that Mr. Chukes!

Bottom line is...do what you have to do to get through this world, but for the love of god, don't 1. shame anyone for wanting to discuss how microagressions or open racism affect their daily life or 2. tell people how to feel.

Let's just try to be supportive of one another. We already constitute such a small percentage of our future, respective law schools.

[Mr_Chukes]

Just got through reading these comments about race. Very thought-provoking...

First of all, to the poster above who said they were disappointed this thread is now centering on race and navigating the legal realm as a minority, uhhh...why are you in the UNDER-REPRESENTED LAW STUDENT FORUM? lol These are important conversations, and it's important for us to create a space space for each other.

Secondly, I think we can all agree that we are living in a time where microaggressions are so real. How you choose to deal with racism or prejudice is a deeply personal matter. Some people prefer to be vocal about their disapproval (hopefully in a mild manner), while some people choose to just let it roll of their back. Whatever preserves your sanity and mental well-being...do it!

For me when someone focuses on race a thing that no one has control over or has no barring on what you can do or who you are. This may be elitist but I honestly know that they are a low person and have to use racism to make them feel better about themselves. So in a way it's actually pathetic to be a racist and that speaks for itself.

I think your point is definitely reasonable. If it helps you to focus on their ignorance instead of your oppression, that is preserving your mental well-being. I am here for that Mr. Chukes!

Bottom line is...do what you have to do to get through this world, but for the love of god, don't 1. shame anyone for wanting to discuss how microagressions or open racism affect their daily life or 2. tell people how to feel.

Let's just try to be supportive of one another. We already constitute such a small percentage of our future, respective law schools.

Amen we should be supportive of each other. Yeah some need to talk about how things effect them day to day. We should encourage people to share. I mean this is kinda a safe space for URM's in a way. It's funny because I never joined BSU but I feel like I will join BLSA.

[brinicolec]

Just got through reading these comments about race. Very thought-provoking...

First of all, to the poster above who said they were disappointed this thread is now centering on race and navigating the legal realm as a minority, uhhh...why are you in the UNDER-REPRESENTED LAW STUDENT FORUM? lol These are important conversations, and it's important for us to create a space space for each other.

Secondly, I think we can all agree that we are living in a time where microaggressions are so real. How you choose to deal with racism or prejudice is a deeply personal matter. Some people prefer to be vocal about their disapproval (hopefully in a mild manner), while some people choose to just let it roll of their back. Whatever preserves your sanity and mental well-being...do it!

For me when someone focuses on race a thing that no one has control over or has no barring on what you can do or who you are. This may be elitist but I honestly know that they are a low person and have to use racism to make them feel better about themselves. So in a way it's actually pathetic to be a racist and that speaks for itself.

I think your point is definitely reasonable. If it helps you to focus on their ignorance instead of your oppression, that is preserving your mental well-being. I am here for that Mr. Chukes!

Bottom line is...do what you have to do to get through this world, but for the love of god, don't 1. shame anyone for wanting to discuss how microagressions or open racism affect their daily life or 2. tell people how to feel.

Let's just try to be supportive of one another. We already constitute such a small percentage of our future, respective law schools.

Amen we should be supportive of each other. Yeah some need to talk about how things effect them day to day. We should encourage people to share. I mean this is kinda a safe space for URM's in a way. It's funny because I never joined BSU but I feel like I will join BLSA.

Same. I think part of it is because I'm already thinking that the black community at LS is gonna be suppppper tiny. Plus, I always hear good things from current black students when they talk about BLSA.

[lawpotato]

I mean, regarding the whole "Just ignore it and keep it moving" type thing... doesn't anyone get TIRED of just EXCUSING racism? I'm tired of tip-toeing around in spaces and considering white feelings more than my own/having to educate white people on why things they say/do are racist and/or unacceptable. I think maybe gently saying "That's not appropriate" or "I find that offensive" is a better idea than just trying to laugh it off or take the high road.

true af. It gets pretty tiring excusing racist comments and microaggressions just to make white folks more comfortable just so we don't get called out for being "disrespectful". Especially hard for AA women who get labeled as "angry" if we say anything. I have found that it really does work to politely say something like "I don't think that is an appropriate comment". Maybe it makes things a little awkward, but it makes me feel better knowing I didn't just laugh along with a racist comment just to fit in better.

[brinicolec]

I mean, regarding the whole "Just ignore it and keep it moving" type thing... doesn't anyone get TIRED of just EXCUSING racism? I'm tired of tip-toeing around in spaces and considering white feelings more than my own/having to educate white people on why things they say/do are racist and/or unacceptable. I think maybe gently saying "That's not appropriate" or "I find that offensive" is a better idea than just trying to laugh it off or take the high road.

true af. It gets pretty tiring excusing racist comments and microaggressions just to make white folks more comfortable just so we don't get called out for being "disrespectful". Especially hard for AA women who get labeled as "angry" if we say anything. I have found that it really does work to politely say something like "I don't think that is an appropriate comment". Maybe it makes things a little awkward, but it makes me feel better knowing I didn't just laugh along with a racist comment just to fit in better.

Yeah, I'm a black woman who wants to work in sports so I'm expecting to face racist and sexist comments in the near future. Will definitely be a test lol.

[Mr_Chukes]

Just got through reading these comments about race. Very thought-provoking...

First of all, to the poster above who said they were disappointed this thread is now centering on race and navigating the legal realm as a minority, uhhh...why are you in the UNDER-REPRESENTED LAW STUDENT FORUM? lol These are important conversations, and it's important for us to create a space space for each other.

Secondly, I think we can all agree that we are living in a time where microaggressions are so real. How you choose to deal with racism or prejudice is a deeply personal matter. Some people prefer to be vocal about their disapproval (hopefully in a mild manner), while some people choose to just let it roll of their back. Whatever preserves your sanity and mental well-being...do it!

For me when someone focuses on race a thing that no one has control over or has no barring on what you can do or who you are. This may be elitist but I honestly know that they are a low person and have to use racism to make them feel better about themselves. So in a way it's actually pathetic to be a racist and that speaks for itself.

I think your point is definitely reasonable. If it helps you to focus on their ignorance instead of your oppression, that is preserving your mental well-being. I am here for that Mr. Chukes!

Bottom line is...do what you have to do to get through this world, but for the love of god, don't 1. shame anyone for wanting to discuss how microagressions or open racism affect their daily life or 2. tell people how to feel.

Let's just try to be supportive of one another. We already constitute such a small percentage of our future, respective law schools.

Amen we should be supportive of each other. Yeah some need to talk about how things effect them day to day. We should encourage people to share. I mean this is kinda a safe space for URM's in a way. It's funny because I never joined BSU but I feel like I will join BLSA.

Same. I think part of it is because I'm already thinking that the black community at LS is gonna be suppppper tiny. Plus, I always hear good things from current black students when they talk about BLSA.

Yeah all the black students I met were in BLSA and said it helped them a lot.

[brinicolec]

Just got through reading these comments about race. Very thought-provoking...

First of all, to the poster above who said they were disappointed this thread is now centering on race and navigating the legal realm as a minority, uhhh...why are you in the UNDER-REPRESENTED LAW STUDENT FORUM? lol These are important conversations, and it's important for us to create a space space for each other.

Secondly, I think we can all agree that we are living in a time where microaggressions are so real. How you choose to deal with racism or prejudice is a deeply personal matter. Some people prefer to be vocal about their disapproval (hopefully in a mild manner), while some people choose to just let it roll of their back. Whatever preserves your sanity and mental well-being...do it!

For me when someone focuses on race a thing that no one has control over or has no barring on what you can do or who you are. This may be elitist but I honestly know that they are a low person and have to use racism to make them feel better about themselves. So in a way it's actually pathetic to be a racist and that speaks for itself.

I think your point is definitely reasonable. If it helps you to focus on their ignorance instead of your oppression, that is preserving your mental well-being. I am here for that Mr. Chukes!

Bottom line is...do what you have to do to get through this world, but for the love of god, don't 1. shame anyone for wanting to discuss how microagressions or open racism affect their daily life or 2. tell people how to feel.

Let's just try to be supportive of one another. We already constitute such a small percentage of our future, respective law schools.

Amen we should be supportive of each other. Yeah some need to talk about how things effect them day to day. We should encourage people to share. I mean this is kinda a safe space for URM's in a way. It's funny because I never joined BSU but I feel like I will join BLSA.

Same. I think part of it is because I'm already thinking that the black community at LS is gonna be suppppper tiny. Plus, I always hear good things from current black students when they talk about BLSA.

Yeah all the black students I met were in BLSA and said it helped them a lot.

BLSA for the win! The black community can be petty but we try to help out our people!!!! Lol