URM 2016-2017 Cycle Thread Forum

[Hi-So - ArshavinFan]

In all reality, does the move to 15 really hurt GT all that much. GT has so many alumni and lets say someone is at median there, are they really going to be hurting for a biglaw job.

I know too many people who went to GT who have successful careers, so i dont really understand this rhetoric.

[rwajo12]

Although i have not heard back from all the schools i have applied to, if it came down to it, how does GW fare in terms of Big-law for the DC Market?
Im not asking in terms of debt/payoff perspective but rather in regards to employment odds. I've seen a few biglaw firms on Above the law that seem to have many of their associates come from Gw. How accurate is it?

https://www.lstreports.com/schools/gw/jobs/

It says 32 percent of the class of 2015 went to big law.

[rwajo12]

In all reality, does the move to 15 really hurt GT all that much. GT has so many alumni and lets say someone is at median there, are they really going to be hurting for a biglaw job.

I know too many people who went to GT who have successful careers, so i dont really understand this rhetoric.

According to a current partner at a Biglaw firm in Dc, it does not at all. Its still all about 1L grades.

[janereacher]

Thoughts on the rankings, guys? How if at all will they impact your decision?

They won't impact my decision but I was quite happy to see BU drop and somewhat pleased that Cornell had no movement at all.

[AJ1010]

IN: Harvard, Columbia, NYU, Michigan, U Penn, Duke, U Cal Berkeley, U Chicago

Out: None (Yet)

Pending: Stanford, Yale

Attending: more than likely H, but just waiting on the Y decision

I will post in the other thread once my cycle is complete.

That's an amazing cycle!

Thanks!

[Stephylynette]

Anybody else bothered by the patronizing diversity comments people so casually make on here? the backhanded comments combined with the relative silence of non-URM's when they are made, is disheartening. Really hope people don't try throwing this shade in real life during law school bc I'm liable to pop off. Honestly, truly.

[uhwrestler]

lol boston uni waitlisted me despite the fact that i already got into some t14's with money

[uhwrestler]

Anybody else bothered by the patronizing diversity comments people so casually make on here? the backhanded comments combined with the relative silence of non-URM's when they are made, is disheartening. Really hope people don't try throwing this shade in real life during law school bc I'm liable to pop off. Honestly, truly.

my advice is to get over and toughen up.....we live in a country as minorities were the majority at least give us affirmative action and many other programs to help us....in most countries minorities are treated far worse....just be happy for what you have and life will be better

[anervouslsater]

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[Hi-So - ArshavinFan]

Anybody else bothered by the patronizing diversity comments people so casually make on here? the backhanded comments combined with the relative silence of non-URM's when they are made, is disheartening. Really hope people don't try throwing this shade in real life during law school bc I'm liable to pop off. Honestly, truly.

This is actually pretty regular. And idk if youre gonna do SEO, but to anybody who interns in the workplace, it only gets worse. I remember during SEO undergrad there were actually memes that would pick on kids in SEO on some wall street twitter site. ( i've forgotten the name).

Popping off is DEFINITELY not the way to go about it . 1- because youre going to exhaust yourself. 2- you dont have the numbers. Donald trump can be an asshole because he has constituents who will vote for him. But you will not have professors or advisors on your side if you go popping off at anybody who decides to make a disparaging racial comment.

I still remember during my SEO internship, my group went out to celebrate my bday. My supervising analyst got so drunk, and actually made a joke about slavery - to EVERYBODY's hearing.

Yeah man - i said nothing. I hated myself for it, but I've come to grips with it as it was the right move.

Basing off your acceptances i know you're an intelligent young woman so i'm sure you know how to act, but my mentor always gave me this advice. Think about life as a chess game - You don't need to capture every enemy to win.

[chasima]

Anybody else bothered by the patronizing diversity comments people so casually make on here? the backhanded comments combined with the relative silence of non-URM's when they are made, is disheartening. Really hope people don't try throwing this shade in real life during law school bc I'm liable to pop off. Honestly, truly.

my advice is to get over and toughen up.....we live in a country as minorities were the majority at least give us affirmative action and many other programs to help us....in most countries minorities are treated far worse....just be happy for what you have and life will be better

How dare someone ask for respect from their peers in addition to affirmative action... how kind of the majority to not commit genocide or enslave us, we should just be grateful

[Stephylynette]

Anybody else bothered by the patronizing diversity comments people so casually make on here? the backhanded comments combined with the relative silence of non-URM's when they are made, is disheartening. Really hope people don't try throwing this shade in real life during law school bc I'm liable to pop off. Honestly, truly.

my advice is to get over and toughen up.....we live in a country as minorities were the majority at least give us affirmative action and many other programs to help us....in most countries minorities are treated far worse....just be happy for what you have and life will be better

Lol. I went to a PWI in the South. Trust me, I know how to toughen up and get over it. I am fully aware that we've been given a gift w/ affirmative action and that it could be worse. But that does not mean I can't also commiserate w/my fellow URM's about how annoying stuff can be. Get you somebody who can do both.

[Stephylynette]

Anybody else bothered by the patronizing diversity comments people so casually make on here? the backhanded comments combined with the relative silence of non-URM's when they are made, is disheartening. Really hope people don't try throwing this shade in real life during law school bc I'm liable to pop off. Honestly, truly.

my advice is to get over and toughen up.....we live in a country as minorities were the majority at least give us affirmative action and many other programs to help us....in most countries minorities are treated far worse....just be happy for what you have and life will be better

How dare someone ask for respect from their peers in addition to affirmative action... how kind of the majority to not commit genocide or enslave us, we should just be grateful

[Stephylynette]

Anybody else bothered by the patronizing diversity comments people so casually make on here? the backhanded comments combined with the relative silence of non-URM's when they are made, is disheartening. Really hope people don't try throwing this shade in real life during law school bc I'm liable to pop off. Honestly, truly.

This is actually pretty regular. And idk if youre gonna do SEO, but to anybody who interns in the workplace, it only gets worse. I remember during SEO undergrad there were actually memes that would pick on kids in SEO on some wall street twitter site. ( i've forgotten the name).

Popping off is DEFINITELY not the way to go about it . 1- because youre going to exhaust yourself. 2- you dont have the numbers. Donald trump can be an asshole because he has constituents who will vote for him. But you will not have professors or advisors on your side if you go popping off at anybody who decides to make a disparaging racial comment.

I still remember during my SEO internship, my group went out to celebrate my bday. My supervising analyst got so drunk, and actually made a joke about slavery - to EVERYBODY's hearing.

Yeah man - i said nothing. I hated myself for it, but I've come to grips with it as it was the right move.

Basing off your acceptances i know you're an intelligent young woman so i'm sure you know how to act, but my mentor always gave me this advice. Think about life as a chess game - You don't need to capture every enemy to win.

Thank you for advice and understanding of how frustrating it can be. That sounds terrible but you're definitely right that it's sometimes worth it to ignore things and play the long game.

By "pop off," I did not literally mean jumping down people's throats and causing a scene. Im not above privately discussing things w/ people though, I will admit that. I know I'll have to temper even that in the professional world. I know I'll rarely have the space or safety to legitimately complain. I just come here to places like that to share in the experience. Spaces like this are important.

[Hi-So - ArshavinFan]

Anybody else bothered by the patronizing diversity comments people so casually make on here? the backhanded comments combined with the relative silence of non-URM's when they are made, is disheartening. Really hope people don't try throwing this shade in real life during law school bc I'm liable to pop off. Honestly, truly.

my advice is to get over and toughen up.....we live in a country as minorities were the majority at least give us affirmative action and many other programs to help us....in most countries minorities are treated far worse....just be happy for what you have and life will be better

How dare someone ask for respect from their peers in addition to affirmative action... how kind of the majority to not commit genocide or enslave us, we should just be grateful

Hey now, let's calm this thing down.

Racism is very real. And all of us will have classmates ( regardless of the school we attend) who will make negative remarks concerning affirmative action, diversity, etc. And it is not easy to deal with. But it can be dealt with. One needs both soft forms of activism ( academic achievement, etc) and "hard" forms of activism ( demonstrations, panels, protests) to do so. But in law school, you have to understand that while most schools actively state they promote diversity, it becomes another thing altogether when they are confronted with it. You have to be calculated in how you go about your activism as a URM at such institutions - bottom line.

[Stephylynette]

Anybody else bothered by the patronizing diversity comments people so casually make on here? the backhanded comments combined with the relative silence of non-URM's when they are made, is disheartening. Really hope people don't try throwing this shade in real life during law school bc I'm liable to pop off. Honestly, truly.

This is actually pretty regular. And idk if youre gonna do SEO, but to anybody who interns in the workplace, it only gets worse. I remember during SEO undergrad there were actually memes that would pick on kids in SEO on some wall street twitter site. ( i've forgotten the name).

Popping off is DEFINITELY not the way to go about it . 1- because youre going to exhaust yourself. 2- you dont have the numbers. Donald trump can be an asshole because he has constituents who will vote for him. But you will not have professors or advisors on your side if you go popping off at anybody who decides to make a disparaging racial comment.

I still remember during my SEO internship, my group went out to celebrate my bday. My supervising analyst got so drunk, and actually made a joke about slavery - to EVERYBODY's hearing.

Yeah man - i said nothing. I hated myself for it, but I've come to grips with it as it was the right move.

Basing off your acceptances i know you're an intelligent young woman so i'm sure you know how to act, but my mentor always gave me this advice. Think about life as a chess game - You don't need to capture every enemy to win.

Thank you for advice and understanding of how frustrating it can be. That sounds terrible but you're definitely right that it's sometimes worth it to ignore things and play the long game.

By "pop off," I did not literally mean jumping down people's throats and causing a scene. Im not above privately discussing things w/ people though, I will admit that. I know I'll have to temper even that in the professional world. I know I'll rarely have the space or safety to legitimately complain. I just come here to places like that to share in the experience. Spaces like this are important.

Seriously, I've spent the majority of my life in spaces that aren't always the most progressive or racially sensitive. I am seasoned in the art of ignoring ignorance. This was just me griping. Lol

[anervouslsater]

Anybody else bothered by the patronizing diversity comments people so casually make on here? the backhanded comments combined with the relative silence of non-URM's when they are made, is disheartening. Really hope people don't try throwing this shade in real life during law school bc I'm liable to pop off. Honestly, truly.

my advice is to get over and toughen up.....we live in a country as minorities were the majority at least give us affirmative action and many other programs to help us....in most countries minorities are treated far worse....just be happy for what you have and life will be better

How dare someone ask for respect from their peers in addition to affirmative action... how kind of the majority to not commit genocide or enslave us, we should just be grateful

Hey now, let's calm this thing down.

Racism is very real. And all of us will have classmates ( regardless of the school we attend) who will make negative remarks concerning affirmative action, diversity, etc. And it is not easy to deal with. But it can be dealt with. One needs both soft forms of activism ( academic achievement, etc) and "hard" forms of activism ( demonstrations, panels, protests) to do so. But in law school, you have to understand that while most schools actively state they promote diversity, it becomes another thing altogether when they are confronted with it. You have to be calculated in how you go about your activism as a URM at such institutions - bottom line.

IMO the racism can be mitigated at a more welcoming institution. Note those aren't necessarily the most liberal schools, but where things like academics and hard-work are much more important than race.

[chasima]

Anybody else bothered by the patronizing diversity comments people so casually make on here? the backhanded comments combined with the relative silence of non-URM's when they are made, is disheartening. Really hope people don't try throwing this shade in real life during law school bc I'm liable to pop off. Honestly, truly.

my advice is to get over and toughen up.....we live in a country as minorities were the majority at least give us affirmative action and many other programs to help us....in most countries minorities are treated far worse....just be happy for what you have and life will be better

How dare someone ask for respect from their peers in addition to affirmative action... how kind of the majority to not commit genocide or enslave us, we should just be grateful

Hey now, let's calm this thing down.

Racism is very real. And all of us will have classmates ( regardless of the school we attend) who will make negative remarks concerning affirmative action, diversity, etc. And it is not easy to deal with. But it can be dealt with. One needs both soft forms of activism ( academic achievement, etc) and "hard" forms of activism ( demonstrations, panels, protests) to do so. But in law school, you have to understand that while most schools actively state they promote diversity, it becomes another thing altogether when they are confronted with it. You have to be calculated in how you go about your activism as a URM at such institutions - bottom line.

I was being sarcastic. I think that providing someone with realistic ways to handle patronizing comments and racism is helpful. Telling someone to get over it and just be happy because they benefit from affirmative action is unhelpful.

[Hi-So - ArshavinFan]

Anybody else bothered by the patronizing diversity comments people so casually make on here? the backhanded comments combined with the relative silence of non-URM's when they are made, is disheartening. Really hope people don't try throwing this shade in real life during law school bc I'm liable to pop off. Honestly, truly.

This is actually pretty regular. And idk if youre gonna do SEO, but to anybody who interns in the workplace, it only gets worse. I remember during SEO undergrad there were actually memes that would pick on kids in SEO on some wall street twitter site. ( i've forgotten the name).

Popping off is DEFINITELY not the way to go about it . 1- because youre going to exhaust yourself. 2- you dont have the numbers. Donald trump can be an asshole because he has constituents who will vote for him. But you will not have professors or advisors on your side if you go popping off at anybody who decides to make a disparaging racial comment.

I still remember during my SEO internship, my group went out to celebrate my bday. My supervising analyst got so drunk, and actually made a joke about slavery - to EVERYBODY's hearing.

Yeah man - i said nothing. I hated myself for it, but I've come to grips with it as it was the right move.

Basing off your acceptances i know you're an intelligent young woman so i'm sure you know how to act, but my mentor always gave me this advice. Think about life as a chess game - You don't need to capture every enemy to win.

Thank you for advice and understanding of how frustrating it can be. That sounds terrible but you're definitely right that it's sometimes worth it to ignore things and play the long game.

By "pop off," I did not literally mean jumping down people's throats and causing a scene. Im not above privately discussing things w/ people though, I will admit that. I know I'll have to temper even that in the professional world. I know I'll rarely have the space or safety to legitimately complain. I just come here to places like that to share in the experience. Spaces like this are important.

I know, it's just that I actually have "popped off" in a high stakes environment. It didn't kill me per se, but if i can prevent another person ( particularly an AA Woman - who most people are intimidated by/scared of already), then i consider my job done.

And yeah, dont be afraid to vent here. But also dont worry, with experience comes wisdom. You'll become quite adept with dealing with this side of things soon enough. Your success pretty much depends on it lol

[uhwrestler]

Anybody else bothered by the patronizing diversity comments people so casually make on here? the backhanded comments combined with the relative silence of non-URM's when they are made, is disheartening. Really hope people don't try throwing this shade in real life during law school bc I'm liable to pop off. Honestly, truly.

my advice is to get over and toughen up.....we live in a country as minorities were the majority at least give us affirmative action and many other programs to help us....in most countries minorities are treated far worse....just be happy for what you have and life will be better

Lol. I went to a PWI in the South. Trust me, I know how to toughen up and get over it. I am fully aware that we've been given a gift w/ affirmative action and that it could be worse. But that does not mean I can't also commiserate w/my fellow URM's about how annoying stuff can be. Get you somebody who can do both.

my bad if i came off as insensitive or snarky. i too have been through many racial slights....i used to get so worked up but i realised i was just stressing myself out and bringing myself down. now i just try to ignore it as much as possible and look at the good side of ppl so it cant bring me down

[brinicolec]

I mean, regarding the whole "Just ignore it and keep it moving" type thing... doesn't anyone get TIRED of just EXCUSING racism? I'm tired of tip-toeing around in spaces and considering white feelings more than my own/having to educate white people on why things they say/do are racist and/or unacceptable. I think maybe gently saying "That's not appropriate" or "I find that offensive" is a better idea than just trying to laugh it off or take the high road.

[uhwrestler]

I mean, regarding the whole "Just ignore it and keep it moving" type thing... doesn't anyone get TIRED of just EXCUSING racism? I'm tired of tip-toeing around in spaces and considering white feelings more than my own/having to educate white people on why things they say/do are racist and/or unacceptable. I think maybe gently saying "That's not appropriate" or "I find that offensive" is a better idea than just trying to laugh it off or take the high road.

ive been reading about human evolution a lot lately....i just feel like people will always have some tribal nature and bias toward people who dont look like them...i actually knew a white guy who was not an open racist (he was an ordinary young educated urban white guy) but he told me that it was hard for him not to feel that whites were superior to other races due to the massive technological, cultural, and scientific advancements made by europeans. He also blamed slavery on black men for being "cowards and bad at war" (his words not mine).

i just feel that even the most liberal whites carry some bias and i just dont see how it can be fully eradicated...

[brinicolec]

I mean, regarding the whole "Just ignore it and keep it moving" type thing... doesn't anyone get TIRED of just EXCUSING racism? I'm tired of tip-toeing around in spaces and considering white feelings more than my own/having to educate white people on why things they say/do are racist and/or unacceptable. I think maybe gently saying "That's not appropriate" or "I find that offensive" is a better idea than just trying to laugh it off or take the high road.

ive been reading about human evolution a lot lately....i just feel like people will always have some tribal nature and bias toward people who dont look like them...i actually knew a white guy who was not an open racist (he was an ordinary young educated urban white guy) but he told me that it was hard for him not to feel that whites were superior to other races due to the massive technological, cultural, and scientific advancements made by europeans. He also blamed slavery on black men for being "cowards and bad at war" (his words not mine).

i just feel that even the most liberal whites carry some bias and i just dont see how it can be fully eradicated...

Um, I hate to tell you this. But your white guy you knew was most definitely a racist... ESPECIALLY because a lot of cultural advancements were ACTUALLY achieved by minorities lol. I feel like that's just a way to try to reconcile his racism.

Anyway, the point is I'm really tired of the excuses white people give AND the defenses minorities offer when someone white says something questionable.

Also, being biased towards someone isn't equivalent to feeling SUPERIOR to someone. Ya white friend fooled you. T'was a racist.

[uhwrestler]

I mean, regarding the whole "Just ignore it and keep it moving" type thing... doesn't anyone get TIRED of just EXCUSING racism? I'm tired of tip-toeing around in spaces and considering white feelings more than my own/having to educate white people on why things they say/do are racist and/or unacceptable. I think maybe gently saying "That's not appropriate" or "I find that offensive" is a better idea than just trying to laugh it off or take the high road.

ive been reading about human evolution a lot lately....i just feel like people will always have some tribal nature and bias toward people who dont look like them...i actually knew a white guy who was not an open racist (he was an ordinary young educated urban white guy) but he told me that it was hard for him not to feel that whites were superior to other races due to the massive technological, cultural, and scientific advancements made by europeans. He also blamed slavery on black men for being "cowards and bad at war" (his words not mine).

i just feel that even the most liberal whites carry some bias and i just dont see how it can be fully eradicated...

Um, I hate to tell you this. But your white guy you knew was most definitely a racist... ESPECIALLY because a lot of cultural advancements were ACTUALLY achieved by minorities lol. I feel like that's just a way to try to reconcile his racism.

Anyway, the point is I'm really tired of the excuses white people give AND the defenses minorities offer when someone white says something questionable.

Also, being biased towards someone isn't equivalent to feeling SUPERIOR to someone. Ya white friend fooled you. T'was a racist.

i never said he wasnt a racist....i said he was not an open racist. he was not some country kid in alabama....he was an ordinary white guy in a multicultural city at a multicultural university who had friends of multiple races and even dated a latina girl. i was just trying to show that even the ordinary white people that we often see as not racist or liberal often time hold deep racial prejudice. he was not the only one ive spoken to like this. one white girl i knew told me "asians are smart but whites are more creative and therefore whites invent more" this type of racial stereotype thinking is unfortunately pretty common

[brinicolec]

I mean, regarding the whole "Just ignore it and keep it moving" type thing... doesn't anyone get TIRED of just EXCUSING racism? I'm tired of tip-toeing around in spaces and considering white feelings more than my own/having to educate white people on why things they say/do are racist and/or unacceptable. I think maybe gently saying "That's not appropriate" or "I find that offensive" is a better idea than just trying to laugh it off or take the high road.

ive been reading about human evolution a lot lately....i just feel like people will always have some tribal nature and bias toward people who dont look like them...i actually knew a white guy who was not an open racist (he was an ordinary young educated urban white guy) but he told me that it was hard for him not to feel that whites were superior to other races due to the massive technological, cultural, and scientific advancements made by europeans. He also blamed slavery on black men for being "cowards and bad at war" (his words not mine).

i just feel that even the most liberal whites carry some bias and i just dont see how it can be fully eradicated...

Um, I hate to tell you this. But your white guy you knew was most definitely a racist... ESPECIALLY because a lot of cultural advancements were ACTUALLY achieved by minorities lol. I feel like that's just a way to try to reconcile his racism.

Anyway, the point is I'm really tired of the excuses white people give AND the defenses minorities offer when someone white says something questionable.

Also, being biased towards someone isn't equivalent to feeling SUPERIOR to someone. Ya white friend fooled you. T'was a racist.

i never said he wasnt a racist....i said he was not an open racist. he was not some country kid in alabama....he was an ordinary white guy in a multicultural city at a multicultural university who had friends of multiple races and even dated a latina girl. i was just trying to show that even the ordinary white people that we often see as not racist or liberal often time hold deep racial prejudice. he was not the only one ive spoken to like this. one white girl i knew told me "asians are smart but whites are more creative and therefore whites invent more" this type of racial stereotype thinking is unfortunately pretty common

Oh, I'm fully aware that most (yes, most) white people hold racist views. I'm just saying it's not the duty of minorities to coddle them because it's a "common" thing.