URM 2016-2017 Cycle Thread Forum

[Mr_Chukes]

I think AA's are a rarity because there are a lot who have good LSATs but low gpas relative to t14 students and other AA students just don't apply to law school. It sucks
It's easier to get into law school being a URM with a 3.7+ than a 173. Jnwa didn't crack HYS. Someone with a 3.8 163 could do that.

The key thing here is COULD.

First things first, you are deluded in thinking that if a Black/AA applicant got into Harvard with a low GPA, he would post it on LSN. I know one who has, and he definitely didnt.

Let's look at the facts: http://www.abarequireddisclosures.org/
If you look up Harvard for 2016, we know for a fact 33 AAs got in for their 1L year. We dont know all their GPA ( i only know one, but his GPA low, LSAT high - but he went to an Ivy though)

I'm willing to argue that most of the URM that list their stats or info on TLS/LSN are not Ivy league ( or even T15 schools on USNWR) - this really alters a LOT for their rest of us. For anybody else, it's not as possible. But it is indeed possible.

the one constant here, is that we dont know anything! We only can guess, but to really know is difficult.

I don't understand how the key thing here is "could". AAs at t14s normally have high gpas and low lsats relative to the other students. I'm not talking about a 158 score here. I'm talking about around a 160-165 ( Clear case of confirmation bias here again)

I am not deluded into anything. It is far more likely for a URM student to get in with a high gpa low lsat than with a low gpa high lsat. Men lie. Women lie. Numbers don't. ( Again, Confirmation bias)

What numbers though?????? - How many people with sub 3.5 or ( even sub 3.3 GPA URMS --- particularly AA ones-- post on myLSN to T14? You don't know. You're making assumptions based off of what you see on this site. But you don't have access to all the numbers.. How can you just make assumptions. Thats incredulous. Also, to believe that everyones numbers/profile on myLSN is factual either??? - I'm not willing to make that bet.

Your theory would seem to be true for an applicant who is KJD ( or 1-2 avg WE) & did not go to a T20 School or top 5 LAC, yes, I agree with you there. But from what I know about these schools, these kids can get in with even sub 3 GPA into T14 schools - and trust me, they wont post about it on here.

What I'm trying to point out ( i'm not sure that youre seeing it), is that its not clearcut that all ( even most) T14 schools prefer GPA over LSAT for URMs - in particular AA's ( lets say 3.7 /160 v 3.3/170 or even 3.2/165 in my case). It's just that they will accept the high GPAs as there is wayyy more of them. I'm willing to bet that if there was ever more than about 100 AA who scored a 165+ who had 3.2 GPAs or higher, that mechanism would totally change. In any case, i'm sure higher GPA is correlated with higher LSAT anyway, so either way - both splitters are under-performing. That's the fact.

You're making absolute statements based on hypotheses which aren't factually proven. And that's dangerous on this sub. Because that only discourages people from posting on this forum which would hep us analyze this more closely. Particularly people who have gotten in with low GPA/LSAT. That's where the negativity comes in. You aren't directly being negative, but it can be discouraging.

I don't think his post discourages people from applying at all. He is just saying form the material we have, URMs with higher GPA's are more likely to get into T-14 schools. I can see that. they like people with high LSATs to but we just know more people who have been reported have higher gpas.

For the most part URM cycles are unpredictable. I bet if I told people my stats in a chance me thread they would 100% tell me I have zero chance of getting into any top 20 with Money and you know what. They would be dead wrong lol. We are just looking at what we have to make sense of it.

[chasima]

[Mr_Chukes]

I think AA's are a rarity because there are a lot who have good LSATs but low gpas relative to t14 students and other AA students just don't apply to law school. It sucks
It's easier to get into law school being a URM with a 3.7+ than a 173. Jnwa didn't crack HYS. Someone with a 3.8 163 could do that.

The key thing here is COULD.

First things first, you are deluded in thinking that if a Black/AA applicant got into Harvard with a low GPA, he would post it on LSN. I know one who has, and he definitely didnt.

Let's look at the facts: http://www.abarequireddisclosures.org/
If you look up Harvard for 2016, we know for a fact 33 AAs got in for their 1L year. We dont know all their GPA ( i only know one, but his GPA low, LSAT high - but he went to an Ivy though)

I'm willing to argue that most of the URM that list their stats or info on TLS/LSN are not Ivy league ( or even T15 schools on USNWR) - this really alters a LOT for their rest of us. For anybody else, it's not as possible. But it is indeed possible.

the one constant here, is that we dont know anything! We only can guess, but to really know is difficult.

I don't understand how the key thing here is "could". AAs at t14s normally have high gpas and low lsats relative to the other students. I'm not talking about a 158 score here. I'm talking about around a 160-165 ( Clear case of confirmation bias here again)

I am not deluded into anything. It is far more likely for a URM student to get in with a high gpa low lsat than with a low gpa high lsat. Men lie. Women lie. Numbers don't. ( Again, Confirmation bias)

What numbers though?????? - How many people with sub 3.5 or ( even sub 3.3 GPA URMS --- particularly AA ones-- post on myLSN to T14? You don't know. You're making assumptions based off of what you see on this site. But you don't have access to all the numbers.. How can you just make assumptions. Thats incredulous. Also, to believe that everyones numbers/profile on myLSN is factual either??? - I'm not willing to make that bet.

Your theory would seem to be true for an applicant who is KJD ( or 1-2 avg WE) & did not go to a T20 School or top 5 LAC, yes, I agree with you there. But from what I know about these schools, these kids can get in with even sub 3 GPA into T14 schools - and trust me, they wont post about it on here.

What I'm trying to point out ( i'm not sure that youre seeing it), is that its not clearcut that all ( even most) T14 schools prefer GPA over LSAT for URMs - in particular AA's ( lets say 3.7 /160 v 3.3/170 or even 3.2/165 in my case). It's just that they will accept the high GPAs as there is wayyy more of them. I'm willing to bet that if there was ever more than about 100 AA who scored a 165+ who had 3.2 GPAs or higher, that mechanism would totally change. In any case, i'm sure higher GPA is correlated with higher LSAT anyway, so either way - both splitters are under-performing. That's the fact.

You're making absolute statements based on hypotheses which aren't factually proven. And that's dangerous on this sub. Because that only discourages people from posting on this forum which would hep us analyze this more closely. Particularly people who have gotten in with low GPA/LSAT. That's where the negativity comes in. You aren't directly being negative, but it can be discouraging.

I don't think his post discourages people from applying at all. He is just saying form the material we have, URMs with higher GPA's are more likely to get into T-14 schools. I can see that. they like people with high LSATs to but we just know more people who have been reported have higher gpas.

For the most part URM cycles are unpredictable. I bet if I told people my stats in a chance me thread they would 100% tell me I have zero chance of getting into any top 20 with Money and you know what. They would be dead wrong lol. We are just looking at what we have to make sense of it.

I agree with Hi-So's points. Although it isn't directly discouraging by saying "don't apply to xyz schools if you have a low gpa and high lsat", if someone is a urm and coming here for advice, it looks like you're saying that urm's with high gpas and low lsats have a better shot when that may not be the case at all. As a result, those URMs either don't even throw apps into higher ranked schools or they don't post here or on LSN because they're taking bad advice from people on the internet with good intentions.

My GPA is terrible. I basically blanketed the top 20 and have heard back from all except 4, with 3 rejections so far, the rest waitlists and acceptances with pretty good money. When I first started reading posts on TLS with URMs with numbers similar to mine, some of the responses were just downright mean. I just think it's a good idea to qualify statements like saying URM reverse splitters are more likely to get in than traditional splitters with the fact that the data we have available to back that up is extremely inconclusive.

Yeah that's the thing I feel like we need to encourage others to apply and help them succeed. That is why I freely share my numbers and talk to others about the admission process. I honestly don't care what people on the internet or real life think about me to be honest. I never got any advice on here. I just applied and looked on LSNs after I got fee waivers from most of the schools.

At the end of the day Prez wasn't trying to put anyone down. He was just talking about what he has seen.

[MrJD2020]

I've heard NOTHING from H and S since I went complete at both in early November but I interviewed with Columbia earlier this month. What should I do? I just really want to hear from H and S badly. Columbia too. I should give Columbia until month-end before getting nervous about them, but what should I do about H and S? Letter of continued interest? if so, how should I go about that? I worry that my PS (about my WE and career goals) and addenda/DS (about growing up in a challenging family environment but keeping my focus on academic / professional goals) were great but didn't explicitly answer WHY HARVARD / WHY STANFORD, though my intended academic focus area was explained well and there's a clear connection between my work experience, my goal of attending a top law school, and my post-LS goal of corporate law. That's why I'm thinking a LOCI could be useful.

Thoughts? I am really stressed at this point.

I'm worried that I will get rejected from Stanford, Columbia and NYU because they all think I'm going to get into Harvard or Yale (and I didn't even apply to Yale though perhaps I should). I'm worried that Harvard will waitlist/ding me thinking that some other school will take me...and that as a result I'll end up nowhere. (I only applied to Harvard, Stanford, Columbia, Penn and NYU). I don't think this is just in my head either -- I was dinged by Penn's JD/MBA program earlier this month, probably due to a weak GMAT, but I think also in part due to yield protect at Penn Law. (At Penn, if you apply to the Carey JD/MBA program simultaneously, like I did, you either get into either both the JD and MBA program or neither. I think you end up getting rejected unless your MBA app can stand on its own, which perhaps mine didn't, because I think my Penn Law app was really quite good and I think I would have gotten in had I applied to Penn Law alone).

It would be really horrible to not be at Harvard, Stanford or Columbia (or NYU, if it comes to that) this fall. It's almost impossible to enjoy being in the working world at this point because I'm not getting any closer to my JD and starting my actual career. Should I use one of those crazy expensive admissions consultants to help me navigate this situation? Really worried that if I don't do something soon, it'll all slip through my fingers and I'll have to wait ANOTHER year.

[chasima]

[chasima]

[sfn91]

@MrJD2020 I think you should breathe haha. A LOT of folks (URM and not) have not heard from either school this cycle, and in this case, I'd say no news is good news right?

[Mr_Chukes]

Hey guys. I've heard NOTHING from H and S since I went complete at both in early November but I interviewed with Columbia earlier this month. What should I do? I just really want to hear from H and S badly. Columbia too. I should give Columbia until month-end before getting nervous about them, but what should I do about H and S? Letter of committed intent? if so, how should I go about that? I worry that my PS (about my WE and career goals) and addenda/DS (about growing up in a challenging family environment but keeping my focus on academic / professional goals) were great but didn't explicitly answer WHY HARVARD / WHY STANFORD, though my intended academic focus area was explained well and there's a clear connection between my work experience, my goal of attending a top law school, and my post-LS goal of corporate law. That's why I'm thinking a LOCI could be useful.

Thoughts? I am really stressed at this point.

I'm worried that I will get rejected from Stanford, Columbia and NYU because they all think I'm going to get into Harvard or Yale (and I didn't even apply to Yale though perhaps I should). I'm worried that Harvard will waitlist/ding me thinking that some other school will take me...and that as a result I'll end up nowhere. (I only applied to Harvard, Stanford, Columbia, Penn and NYU). I don't think this is just in my head either -- I was dinged by Penn's JD/MBA program earlier this month, probably due to a weak GMAT, but I think also in part due to yield protect at Penn Law. (At Penn, if you apply to the Carey JD/MBA program simultaneously, like I did, you either get into either both the JD and MBA program or neither. I think you end up getting rejected unless your MBA app can stand on its own, which perhaps mine didn't, because I think my Penn Law app was really quite good and I think I would have gotten in had I applied to Penn Law alone).

It would be really horrible to not be at Harvard, Stanford or Columbia (or NYU, if it comes to that) this fall. It's almost impossible to enjoy being in the working world at this point because I'm not getting any closer to my JD and starting my actual career. Should I use one of those crazy expensive admissions consultants to help me navigate this situation? Really worried that if I don't do something soon, it'll all slip through my fingers and I'll have to wait ANOTHER year.

I feel like you will get into two if not all of those schools lol. Just gotta wait it out.

[texcellence]

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[sfn91]

I also don't think Harvard or Stanford need a "Why H/S." They know why. Lol.

[MrJD2020]

I also don't think Harvard or Stanford need a "Why H/S." They know why. Lol.

Thank you for a much-needed actual LOL.

[crookedsmile]

Hey guys.

I've heard NOTHING from H and S since I went complete at both in early November but I interviewed with Columbia earlier this month. What should I do? I just really want to hear from H and S badly. Columbia too. I should give Columbia until month-end before getting nervous about them, but what should I do about H and S? Letter of committed intent? if so, how should I go about that? I worry that my PS (about my WE and career goals) and addenda/DS (about growing up in a challenging family environment but keeping my focus on academic / professional goals) were great but didn't explicitly answer WHY HARVARD / WHY STANFORD, though my intended academic focus area was explained well and there's a clear connection between my work experience, my goal of attending a top law school, and my post-LS goal of corporate law. That's why I'm thinking a LOCI could be useful.

Thoughts? I am really stressed at this point.

I'm worried that I will get rejected from Stanford, Columbia and NYU because they all think I'm going to get into Harvard or Yale (and I didn't even apply to Yale though perhaps I should). I'm worried that Harvard will waitlist/ding me thinking that some other school will take me...and that as a result I'll end up nowhere. (I only applied to Harvard, Stanford, Columbia, Penn and NYU). I don't think this is just in my head either -- I was dinged by Penn's JD/MBA program earlier this month, probably due to a weak GMAT, but I think also in part due to yield protect at Penn Law. (At Penn, if you apply to the Carey JD/MBA program simultaneously, like I did, you either get into either both the JD and MBA program or neither. I think you end up getting rejected unless your MBA app can stand on its own, which perhaps mine didn't, because I think my Penn Law app was really quite good and I think I would have gotten in had I applied to Penn Law alone).

It would be really horrible to not be at Harvard, Stanford or Columbia (or NYU, if it comes to that) this fall. It's almost impossible to enjoy being in the working world at this point because I'm not getting any closer to my JD and starting my actual career. Should I use one of those crazy expensive admissions consultants to help me navigate this situation? Really worried that if I don't do something soon, it'll all slip through my fingers and I'll have to wait ANOTHER year.

It seems you haven't been waiting all that long...and your LSAT seems solid for an AA male applying to the T6. If there is any reason to wait on you it's going to be your GPA to be honest. But I wouldn't freak out just yet, Yale hasn't been admitting students for that long, Harvard has barely admitted like a quarter of their class, and Stanford has been doing it in trickles. You'll see debate on here whether a LOCI to a school like Y or S is really necessary, but from what I've gathered reading through the threads is that it's mostly a matter of personal choice. As for YP, I think it exists to a much lesser degree than TLS would have you think. Sometimes we just have to accept that some schools didn't like the narrative we were trying to sell 'em. All this is to say, don't freak out yet and stay optimistic!

Edited upon Request.

[MrJD2020]

I would second this. Apps just closed this week. You will be fine!...unless you allow all your anxiety to come out in your communications with schools. Just gonna leave this here. Take a breath! http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/generation-neurotic/

I've been mindful of this, which is why I hesitated to even post on TLS (since adcoms apparently read forums and I don't want them to think I'm losing my marbles). When I interviewed at Columbia via Skype, I was awfully nervous and it showed a bit. I think it went OK, and I sent a short, not-neurotic thank-you email afterward. But I'm really self-conscious about coming off the wrong way (as described in that link), which is why I haven't yet made any sudden movements.

[hammy393]

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[Mr_Chukes]

Hey guys. I just really want to hear from H and S badly. Columbia too. I should give Columbia until month-end before getting nervous about them, but what should I do about H and S? Letter of committed intent? if so, how should I go about that? I worry that my PS (about my WE and career goals) and addenda/DS (about growing up in a challenging family environment but keeping my focus on academic / professional goals) were great but didn't explicitly answer WHY HARVARD / WHY STANFORD, though my intended academic focus area was explained well and there's a clear connection between my work experience, my goal of attending a top law school, and my post-LS goal of corporate law. That's why I'm thinking a LOCI could be useful.

Thoughts? I am really stressed at this point.

I'm worried that I will get rejected from Stanford, Columbia and NYU because they all think I'm going to get into Harvard or Yale (and I didn't even apply to Yale though perhaps I should). I'm worried that Harvard will waitlist/ding me thinking that some other school will take me...and that as a result I'll end up nowhere. (I only applied to Harvard, Stanford, Columbia, Penn and NYU). I don't think this is just in my head either -- I was dinged by Penn's JD/MBA program earlier this month, probably due to a weak GMAT, but I think also in part due to yield protect at Penn Law. (At Penn, if you apply to the Carey JD/MBA program simultaneously, like I did, you either get into either both the JD and MBA program or neither. I think you end up getting rejected unless your MBA app can stand on its own, which perhaps mine didn't, because I think my Penn Law app was really quite good and I think I would have gotten in had I applied to Penn Law alone).

It would be really horrible to not be at Harvard, Stanford or Columbia (or NYU, if it comes to that) this fall. It's almost impossible to enjoy being in the working world at this point because I'm not getting any closer to my JD and starting my actual career. Should I use one of those crazy expensive admissions consultants to help me navigate this situation? Really worried that if I don't do something soon, it'll all slip through my fingers and I'll have to wait ANOTHER year.

It seems you haven't been waiting all that long...and your LSAT seems solid for an AA male applying to the T6. If there is any reason to wait on you it's going to be your GPA to be honest. But I wouldn't freak out just yet, Yale hasn't been admitting students for that long, Harvard has barely admitted like a quarter of their class, and Stanford has been doing it in trickles. You'll see debate on here whether a LOCI to a school like Y or S is really necessary, but from what I've gathered reading through the threads is that it's mostly a matter of personal choice. As for YP, I think it exists to a much lesser degree than TLS would have you think. Sometimes we just have to accept that some schools didn't like the narrative we were trying to sell 'em. All this is to say, don't freak out yet and stay optimistic!

I agree but I would say don't send a LOCI to Stanford. All the people who have done this that I have seen, have gotten replied back with a rejection.

[MrJD2020]

I've heard NOTHING from H and S since I went complete at both in early November but I interviewed with Columbia earlier this month. What should I do? I just really want to hear from H and S badly. Columbia too. I should give Columbia until month-end before getting nervous about them, but what should I do about H and S? Letter of committed intent? if so, how should I go about that? I worry that my PS (about my WE and career goals) and addenda/DS (about growing up in a challenging family environment but keeping my focus on academic / professional goals) were great but didn't explicitly answer WHY HARVARD / WHY STANFORD, though my intended academic focus area was explained well and there's a clear connection between my work experience, my goal of attending a top law school, and my post-LS goal of corporate law. That's why I'm thinking a LOCI could be useful.

Thoughts? I am really stressed at this point.

I'm worried that I will get rejected from Stanford, Columbia and NYU because they all think I'm going to get into Harvard or Yale (and I didn't even apply to Yale though perhaps I should). I'm worried that Harvard will waitlist/ding me thinking that some other school will take me...and that as a result I'll end up nowhere. (I only applied to Harvard, Stanford, Columbia, Penn and NYU). I don't think this is just in my head either -- I was dinged by Penn's JD/MBA program earlier this month, probably due to a weak GMAT, but I think also in part due to yield protect at Penn Law. (At Penn, if you apply to the Carey JD/MBA program simultaneously, like I did, you either get into either both the JD and MBA program or neither. I think you end up getting rejected unless your MBA app can stand on its own, which perhaps mine didn't, because I think my Penn Law app was really quite good and I think I would have gotten in had I applied to Penn Law alone).

It would be really horrible to not be at Harvard, Stanford or Columbia (or NYU, if it comes to that) this fall. It's almost impossible to enjoy being in the working world at this point because I'm not getting any closer to my JD and starting my actual career. Should I use one of those crazy expensive admissions consultants to help me navigate this situation? Really worried that if I don't do something soon, it'll all slip through my fingers and I'll have to wait ANOTHER year.

That's definitely stressful. How low is your GPA if you dont mind me asking? I applied in mid Nov and got into Y/S and received a JS1 but did not address "WHY X" -- you don't have to for the T6, they know everyone wants to go there. You should 100% apply to Yale. ASAP. Don't do something (not apply) that you might regret later on. Also, the T6 really don't YP much (TLS likes to over blow the concept of YPing). Some insight on it: https://www.law.umich.edu/connection/a2 ... aspx?ID=11

Thanks a lot. I'm working on my Yale app now. I kept starting it and then doubting myself for no reason, and then I realized that there are only like 40-50 AAs with my LSAT score or better and realized I shouldn't think my chances are so poor.

[MrJD2020]

I've heard NOTHING from H and S since I went complete at both in early November but I interviewed with Columbia earlier this month. What should I do? I just really want to hear from H and S badly. Columbia too. I should give Columbia until month-end before getting nervous about them, but what should I do about H and S? Letter of committed intent? if so, how should I go about that? I worry that my PS (about my WE and career goals) and addenda/DS (about growing up in a challenging family environment but keeping my focus on academic / professional goals) were great but didn't explicitly answer WHY HARVARD / WHY STANFORD, though my intended academic focus area was explained well and there's a clear connection between my work experience, my goal of attending a top law school, and my post-LS goal of corporate law. That's why I'm thinking a LOCI could be useful.

Thoughts? I am really stressed at this point.

I'm worried that I will get rejected from Stanford, Columbia and NYU because they all think I'm going to get into Harvard or Yale (and I didn't even apply to Yale though perhaps I should). I'm worried that Harvard will waitlist/ding me thinking that some other school will take me...and that as a result I'll end up nowhere. (I only applied to Harvard, Stanford, Columbia, Penn and NYU). I don't think this is just in my head either -- I was dinged by Penn's JD/MBA program earlier this month, probably due to a weak GMAT, but I think also in part due to yield protect at Penn Law. (At Penn, if you apply to the Carey JD/MBA program simultaneously, like I did, you either get into either both the JD and MBA program or neither. I think you end up getting rejected unless your MBA app can stand on its own, which perhaps mine didn't, because I think my Penn Law app was really quite good and I think I would have gotten in had I applied to Penn Law alone).

It would be really horrible to not be at Harvard, Stanford or Columbia (or NYU, if it comes to that) this fall. It's almost impossible to enjoy being in the working world at this point because I'm not getting any closer to my JD and starting my actual career. Should I use one of those crazy expensive admissions consultants to help me navigate this situation? Really worried that if I don't do something soon, it'll all slip through my fingers and I'll have to wait ANOTHER year.

It seems you haven't been waiting all that long...and your LSAT seems solid for an AA male applying to the T6. If there is any reason to wait on you it's going to be your GPA to be honest. But I wouldn't freak out just yet, Yale hasn't been admitting students for that long, Harvard has barely admitted like a quarter of their class, and Stanford has been doing it in trickles. You'll see debate on here whether a LOCI to a school like Y or S is really necessary, but from what I've gathered reading through the threads is that it's mostly a matter of personal choice. As for YP, I think it exists to a much lesser degree than TLS would have you think. Sometimes we just have to accept that some schools didn't like the narrative we were trying to sell 'em. All this is to say, don't freak out yet and stay optimistic!

I agree but I would say don't send a LOCI to Stanford. All the people who have done this that I have seen, have gotten replied back with a rejection.

Thanks. A LOCI honestly seems like it would go against the "no furtive movements" approach I've had to waiting out this cycle. Then I started reading about people doing it and started wondering. You're probably right that I shouldn't.

[bunney_j]

Not sure if this makes you feel better or worse, but if you went complete in November, you haven't really been waiting all that long and it sounds normal that you haven't heard back yet. Check lawschoolnumbers.com and I'm sure you will see people who have been waiting longer than you have with better numbers, and if you check previous cycles you can see how long people waited for acceptances.

We're all in the waiting boat together, so with all due respect, I would chill out a bit.

Stanford, Harvard, etc. don't really YP. Like I think they're aware they don't have to. You should get into H easily. Stanford and Yale are more of a black box. Especially yale - they waitlisted an AA with a 171 who attended yale for undergrad

[bunney_j]

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... law+school

The chart on the first page. It's interesting that about half have a larger percentage of AA students. UVA, PENN, Michigan, Duke, Columbia and Georgetown, and the rest are actually about equal besides Stanford Berkeley and Chicago which heavily have more Hispanic.

Does anyone know if this data is limited to PR/MA? Because if not there can't be that many more hispanics total at t14. It doesn't add up.

I feel pretty confident this does not only include MA/PR. This is totally based on my obsessive data-crunching of the last couple of cycles and observations at BL firm events and discussions with other POC law students/lawyers, but it seems like most if not all T14 schools except Berkeley/UCLA will still count white-passing, wealthy Colombians/Venezuelans/Cubans or the non-Spanish-speaking 1/4 MAs without strong cultural ties as "URM Hispanics." Trust me there aren't 300+ people in T14s from el barrio.

Yes, it's true. I know several 1/2 or 1/4 Latino students personally with non-Hispanic last names who've gotten the boost. And the representation of Latinos who are not South American/Cuban is very low. Latinos in TLS skew heavily toward otherwise over-represented groups.

Interesting. I've always wondered how schools that don't ask what type of hispanic distribute the "boost"; like if they actually care if a student is MA/PR or Central/South American.

[crookedsmile]

Who has started to trim down their list from their initial pool of potential schools? I know for a lot of us money is the biggest factor so as scholarship offers start to roll in, I know certain schools I've been admitted to are just not going to happen for me

I kicked Michigan off the list as soon as they said no money lol.

Same. I was excited about the idea of living at the Lawyers Club too..smh.

[MrJD2020]

Stanford, Harvard, etc. don't really YP. Like I think they're aware they don't have to. You should get into H easily. Stanford and Yale are more of a black box. Especially yale - they waitlisted an AA with a 171 who attended yale for undergrad

"You should get into H easily." From your lips to God's ears, seriously...

[brinicolec]

Who has started to trim down their list from their initial pool of potential schools? I know for a lot of us money is the biggest factor so as scholarship offers start to roll in, I know certain schools I've been admitted to are just not going to happen for me

I kicked Michigan off the list as soon as they said no money lol.

Same. I was excited about the idea of living at the Lawyers Club too..smh.

Going to school at Hogwarts seemed promising but it's not a school I'm willing to pay sticker for lol

[PrezRand]

How difficult was it for you guys to get fee waivers?

[crookedsmile]

How difficult was it for you guys to get fee waivers?

Fortunately, not very. The only one I had to request was S but all other T-14 were covered (H and Y by need-based waiver).

[KillaKam92]

How difficult was it for you guys to get fee waivers?

I've only gotten a few from T20 schools and they all came in Feb. I got my transcripts and CAS shit sorted out near the end of January of tho FWIW. Tried to solicit from NU GTown and Mich but got politely turned down