URM 2014-2015 Cycle Thread Forum

cc78 · Post by **cc78** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:38 pm

Yeah, and sorry for screwing up the quoting in my last post. NYU losing 28 folks is basically them holding on as tight as possible to that 170.

Tr3 · Post by **Tr3** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:53 pm

In at Cornell!

cc78 · Post by **cc78** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:55 pm

Tr3 wrote:In at Cornell!

Congrats!

ballcaps · Post by **ballcaps** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:55 pm

Tr3 wrote:In at Cornell!

whammy!

damn, this thread is murderous.

Skool · Post by **Skool** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:56 pm

lc39 wrote:Yeah I'd guess that the 5+ point gains/losses are more significant and the others are just fluctuations/noise.

Yeah, UVA losing 20+ two years in a row though, that sounds like a problem....

NYU and Columbia though, it looks like they're swinging back and forth in class size to hold medians. Definitely interested in seeing how much room there is for below median urms this year.

gamerish · Post by **gamerish** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:10 pm

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LoganCouture · Post by **LoganCouture** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:11 pm

Skool wrote:
lc39 wrote:Yeah I'd guess that the 5+ point gains/losses are more significant and the others are just fluctuations/noise.
Yeah, UVA losing 20+ two years in a row though, that sounds like a problem....

NYU and Columbia though, it looks like they're swinging back and forth in class size to hold medians. Definitely interested in seeing how much room there is for below median urms this year.

+1. Will be interesting to see how the cycle plays out.

Congrats Tr3 on Cornell!

Tr3 · Post by **Tr3** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:13 pm

Thank you, all!!

Skool · Post by **Skool** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:19 pm

gamerish wrote:Does the ABA/LSAC/Spivey/etc ever breakdown changes in scores amongst URMs by year or cycle (so there's some way to know if the number of URMs scoring 170+ decreased as well)?

I haven't seen that kind of break down, but the decline in African American applicants has been pretty consistent with the decline in White applicants. I don't immediately see a reason why the ratio of black 170s and 160s would be different than the ratio of white 170s and 160s. But who knows.

Just speaking for AAs, there are so few black 170s (and 160s, actually) that I'm not sure how far there is to go.

gamerish · Post by **gamerish** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:20 pm

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LoganCouture · Post by **LoganCouture** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:30 pm

gamerish wrote:Ah, that's unfortunate. Numbers for PR/MA applicants (myself) are hard enough to find as it is.

+1

I remember staring at LSN being like...there's nothing here.

ballcaps · Post by **ballcaps** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:44 pm

lc39 wrote:
gamerish wrote:Ah, that's unfortunate. Numbers for PR/MA applicants (myself) are hard enough to find as it is.
+1

I remember staring at LSN being like...there's nothing here.

just means we're a bunch of special snowflakes AMIRITE???!

Flokkness · Post by **Flokkness** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:49 pm

Tr3 wrote:In at Cornell!

All right all right!

In at NW this week. Still leaning UVA.

Agree on the limited info out there. Its really bad. Gotta be sure to leave our completed cycles on LSN for posterity.

03282016 · Post by **03282016** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:52 pm

jw316 · Post by **jw316** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:54 pm

Wahrheit wrote:UVA just sent me a fee waiver, so don't stress too hard.

Solicited or via CRS? And what time if you don't mind me asking? I've been waiting for one

LoganCouture · Post by **LoganCouture** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:55 pm

Flokkness wrote:
Tr3 wrote:In at Cornell!
All right all right!

In at NW this week. Still leaning UVA.

Agree on the limited info out there. Its really bad. Gotta be sure to leave our completed cycles on LSN for posterity.

Congrats on Northwestern!!

03282016 · Post by **03282016** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:59 pm

jw316 · Post by **jw316** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:00 pm

Wahrheit wrote:
jw316 wrote:
Wahrheit wrote:UVA just sent me a fee waiver, so don't stress too hard.
Solicited or via CRS? And what time if you don't mind me asking? I've been waiting for one
CRS, within the last hour.

Thanks! Just checked my email and got it via CRS as well

jw316 · Post by **jw316** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:19 pm

ballcaps wrote:
lc39 wrote:
gamerish wrote:Ah, that's unfortunate. Numbers for PR/MA applicants (myself) are hard enough to find as it is.
+1

I remember staring at LSN being like...there's nothing here.
just means we're a bunch of special snowflakes AMIRITE???!

Check your PM's when you get a chance please

Atmosphere · Post by **Atmosphere** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:32 pm

UVA offered me a fee waiver this late in the game

CRS btw

Atmosphere · Post by **Atmosphere** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:34 pm

Tr3 wrote:In at Cornell!

Congrats!!

Tr3 · Post by **Tr3** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:39 pm

Thanks Flokkness and Atmosphere!

Woohooo Flockkness for NW!

Shout out to my Latin@s!! =) ...but agreed, it's been difficult to find data other than "If you're MA/PR you get a boost, but not as much as AA". (and I still don't know what data backs that up).

The LSAT data on Latinos is interesting because IIRC, they changed from tracking Latinos, to MA/PR. Or something like that. I don't remember where I saw that.

LoganCouture · Post by **LoganCouture** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:42 pm

Tr3 wrote:Thanks Flokkness and Atmosphere!

Woohooo Flockkness for NW!

Shout out to my Latin@s!! =) ...but agreed, it's been difficult to find data other than "If you're MA/PR you get a boost, but not as much as AA". (and I still don't know what data backs that up).

The LSAT data on Latinos is interesting because IIRC, they changed from tracking Latinos, to MA/PR. Or something like that. I don't remember where I saw that.

They track PR separately but MA are included in the Latino group.

You don't know what data backs up the boost for MA/PR? Or backs up the fact that it's smaller than AA?

Tr3 · Post by **Tr3** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:53 pm

lc39 wrote:
Tr3 wrote:Thanks Flokkness and Atmosphere!

Woohooo Flockkness for NW!

Shout out to my Latin@s!! =) ...but agreed, it's been difficult to find data other than "If you're MA/PR you get a boost, but not as much as AA". (and I still don't know what data backs that up).

The LSAT data on Latinos is interesting because IIRC, they changed from tracking Latinos, to MA/PR. Or something like that. I don't remember where I saw that.
They track PR separately but MA are included in the Latino group.

You don't know what data backs up the boost for MA/PR? Or backs up the fact that it's smaller than AA?

The boost. I guess particularly for MA/PR over other Latinos. I guess data can be found by looking at LSN, but I've never seen an official report with numbers or something that says other Latinos don't get a boost. Perhaps I just haven't looked hard enough?

LoganCouture · Post by **LoganCouture** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:19 pm

Tr3 wrote:
lc39 wrote:
Tr3 wrote:Thanks Flokkness and Atmosphere!

Woohooo Flockkness for NW!

Shout out to my Latin@s!! =) ...but agreed, it's been difficult to find data other than "If you're MA/PR you get a boost, but not as much as AA". (and I still don't know what data backs that up).

The LSAT data on Latinos is interesting because IIRC, they changed from tracking Latinos, to MA/PR. Or something like that. I don't remember where I saw that.
They track PR separately but MA are included in the Latino group.

You don't know what data backs up the boost for MA/PR? Or backs up the fact that it's smaller than AA?
The boost. I guess particularly for MA/PR over other Latinos. I guess data can be found by looking at LSN, but I've never seen an official report with numbers or something that says other Latinos don't get a boost. Perhaps I just haven't looked hard enough?

I don't know if there's data on it besides LSN and cases like Grutter v. Bollinger which specifically name PR and MA as groups that receive preference due to affirmative action.

That and I think some Latinx groups are over-represented in law school when compared to their %age of the U.S. population as a whole (e.g. white Cubans).

On the whole I think law schools don't always care. I know not all of my apps asked for my specific Latinx group.

T14 schools:

Yale - doesn't ask for any race/ethnicity info.
Harvard - only asks Hispanic/Latino, not specific group.
Stanford - asks for Hispanic/Latino and specific group.
UChi - asks for Hispanic/Latino and specific group.
Col - asks for Hispanic/Latino and specific group.
NYU - only asks Hispanic/Latino, not specific group.
Penn - asks for Hispanic/Latino and specific group.
UVA - asks for Hispanic/Latino and specific group.
Berkeley - "answer suppressed" when I go back and look at my app.
Mich - only asks Hispanic/Latino, not specific group.
Duke - only asks Hispanic/Latino, not specific group.
NU - only asks Hispanic/Latino, not specific group.
Cornell - asks for Hispanic/Latino and specific group.
GULC - only asks Hispanic/Latino, not specific group.