Berkeley VS Columbia Forum

[R2XvB]

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[cavalier1138]

Well, where do you want to transfer to? That seems like a fairly good question to start with, even though the entire premise of going to a top-tier school for the express purpose of transferring out is patently ridiculous.

[Mikey]

They're both great schools, where do you intend on transferring to??

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[Tanicius]

Yeah, wow, you'd literally rather throw down tens of thousands of dollars and spend a whole year trying for good grades at tough schools, than spend another year studying on the LSAT, a much easier test.

[cavalier1138]

Well, between Harvard and Yale, they accepted a grand total of 3 transfers from Berkeley, and 2 from Columbia last year.

So it looks like Berkeley is the clear winner! Go out and live your dream!

[Jordan Catalano]

In regards to sway with voters, I cannot see any other advantage than a geographical one, with the Columbia carrying more weight with east coast voters and Berkeley carrying more weight with west coast voters. Even so, that seems like it should be a small, if not insignificant, factor in your decision making process for these two law schools.

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[cavalier1138]

Yeah, wow, you'd literally rather throw down tens of thousands of dollars and spend a whole year trying for good grades at tough schools, than spend another year studying on the LSAT, a much easier test.

Please don't misdirect the questions. I cannot study for another year due to obligations. Please focus on my points and only my points. Thank you!

You have obligations that prevent you from taking a test, but not from attending law school?

I really think there's money in a reality show starring some of the, "I can't possibly retake," posters on this site. Anyone want in on the production process?

[PlanetExpress]

I'll avoid repeating a lot of the sound advice here, but you should probably take stock of your career and life goals and see which of Berkeley or Columbia would best set you up for them in the event that you do not successfully transfer to Harvard or Yale.

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[kingpin101]

Somehow this OP annoys me a bit: 1) never go to a school intending to transfer, 2) there is no reason why you can't retake (unless you already maxed your retakes), 3) stop chasing prestige like a blind sheep.

[Nebby]

Quality OP. You'll definitely make it in politics. You've got the oblivious part down

[WheninLaw]

Would love some input on this topic. I realize it has been discussed before but please consider my points.

(1) I am firmly dedicated to transferring. I understand it is a long shot but I want the school that will give me best chance to transfer. Berkeley 40% "A" versus Columbia 25-30% "A" makes it more likely that my grades might be good enough. Not sure if Columbia's 2-4 higher ranks make a difference in the transfer process.

(2) I want to practice in DC. I DO NOT WANT TO EVER PRACTICE IN NY. I think it goes back and forth whether or not Berkeley student self select into CA or not. Thoughts?

(3) Which school has higher "Lay" prestige and "Actual" prestige? This matters to me because I have dreams of entering politics and I feel voters knowing my school and qualifying me for it matters.

Thank you all so much. I can't wait to hear your inputs.

All three of these points are truly terrible. You're almost assuredly not going to transfer, and you don't have any "obligations" that would preventing you from retaking, you just don't want to. Neither decision is good here. You should really re-evaluate your life.

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[PlanetExpress]

Voters won't care where you went to law school--there are plenty of examples beyond the Clintons at Yale, Obama at Harvard, etc. For instance, Kamala Harris went to UC Hastings and no one seems to care.

[TheRealSantaClaus]

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[cavalier1138]

I think he's got the Ted Cruz charm-- you know, that old-school elitism that plays so well with voters.

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[Nebby]

In the hopes of creating a mature rational debate, can you state exactly why you believe attending either Harvard or Yale does NOT increase your chances of high political office?

It won't increase your chances because you're oblivious to how getting elected works. If you knew, then you'd know that school matters little

[R2XvB]

In the hopes of creating a mature rational debate, can you state exactly why you believe attending either Harvard or Yale does NOT increase your chances of high political office?

It won't increase your chances because you're oblivious to how getting elected works. If you knew, then you'd know that school matters little

I would appreciate it if you educated me in whatever way you could. I am interested to hear your rationale.

[Nebby]

In the hopes of creating a mature rational debate, can you state exactly why you believe attending either Harvard or Yale does NOT increase your chances of high political office?

It won't increase your chances because you're oblivious to how getting elected works. If you knew, then you'd know that school matters little

I would appreciate it if you educated me in whatever way you could. I am interested to hear your rationale.

All of the people who went to HLS and became politicians did not get there because of where they got their degree from. If anything, undergrad degree is more important. My only piece of education is that the burden is not on us to persuade you why you know nothing, it's on you to prove why HLS will give you a material advantage. You're the only person who thinks this is the case, so prove it

(btw. This thread topic happens every year and the person in your position is never able to show why a HLS gives a material advantage over other top schools)

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[Nebby]

In the hopes of creating a mature rational debate, can you state exactly why you believe attending either Harvard or Yale does NOT increase your chances of high political office?

It won't increase your chances because you're oblivious to how getting elected works. If you knew, then you'd know that school matters little

I would appreciate it if you educated me in whatever way you could. I am interested to hear your rationale.

All of the people who went to HLS and became politicians did not get there because of where they got their degree from. If anything, undergrad degree is more important. My only piece of education is that the burden is not on us to persuade you why you know nothing, it's on you to prove why HLS will give you a material advantage. You're the only person who thinks this is the case, so prove it

(btw. This thread topic happens every year and the person in your position is never able to show why a HLS gives a material advantage over other top schools)

Not trying to be rude, but your post was nothing but fluff.

Summary: I know something but won't tell you because you need to prove to me first.

Fine. Here is some proof. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... n-one-map/

Top represented schools: Harvard, Yale, Stanford

You have done nothing to argue why school matters. Obviously my post is mostly fluff. Every year we have another Jr. Ted Cruz who comes with delusions of grandeur only to disregard everyone's advice, next they're conspicuously unable to offer an argument for why school matters, and finally they leave. You are currently on step two

[R2XvB]

In the hopes of creating a mature rational debate, can you state exactly why you believe attending either Harvard or Yale does NOT increase your chances of high political office?

It won't increase your chances because you're oblivious to how getting elected works. If you knew, then you'd know that school matters little

I would appreciate it if you educated me in whatever way you could. I am interested to hear your rationale.

All of the people who went to HLS and became politicians did not get there because of where they got their degree from. If anything, undergrad degree is more important. My only piece of education is that the burden is not on us to persuade you why you know nothing, it's on you to prove why HLS will give you a material advantage. You're the only person who thinks this is the case, so prove it

(btw. This thread topic happens every year and the person in your position is never able to show why a HLS gives a material advantage over other top schools)

Not trying to be rude, but your post was nothing but fluff.

Summary: I know something but won't tell you because you need to prove to me first.

Fine. Here is some proof. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... n-one-map/

Top represented schools: Harvard, Yale, Stanford

You have done nothing to argue why school matters. Obviously my post is mostly fluff. Every year we have another Jr. Ted Cruz who comes with delusions of grandeur only to disregard everyone's advice, next they're conspicuously unable to offer an argument for why school matters, and finally they leave. You are currently on step two

Looks like you are X-0. Undefeated. You are exhausting. Bye.