t14 or die? Forum

[GFox345]

I've come out on exactly the opposite of this for the most part. Generally, those people that are smart enough to get into a T14 should pursue other options with greater ROIs. Those people that are not smart enough to get into the T14s and are not that smart are probably more tailor made for being lawyers (it's a very redundant job with minimal creativity and analysis). A legal eduction provides a much higher ROI to dumber people and pushing them into the middle class than smart people and pushing them into the upper middle class.

A free T14 education might be worth it (to bank lots of biglaw money quickly) or YS with special unicorn jobs, but for the most part, the person going to Duke is worse at playing the game of life than the person going to TT.

This is absolute drivel.

[Johann]

I've come out on exactly the opposite of this for the most part. Generally, those people that are smart enough to get into a T14 should pursue other options with greater ROIs. Those people that are not smart enough to get into the T14s and are not that smart are probably more tailor made for being lawyers (it's a very redundant job with minimal creativity and analysis). A legal eduction provides a much higher ROI to dumber people and pushing them into the middle class than smart people and pushing them into the upper middle class.

A free T14 education might be worth it (to bank lots of biglaw money quickly) or YS with special unicorn jobs, but for the most part, the person going to Duke is worse at playing the game of life than the person going to TT.

Yeah. There's no way anyone wants to actually work at a high level in the legal profession in jobs that can only be realistically attained through going to a top school. The better explanation is that everyone else is an idiot for not having the exact same ambitions as you.

i'm just saying your ROI including opportunity cost is probably less than or at best equal to someone who goes a TT. there's nothing in my post about job preference etc. im assuming T14 will work in biglaw. still doesn't make it a smart ROI play.

[Johann]

I've come out on exactly the opposite of this for the most part. Generally, those people that are smart enough to get into a T14 should pursue other options with greater ROIs. Those people that are not smart enough to get into the T14s and are not that smart are probably more tailor made for being lawyers (it's a very redundant job with minimal creativity and analysis). A legal eduction provides a much higher ROI to dumber people and pushing them into the middle class than smart people and pushing them into the upper middle class.

A free T14 education might be worth it (to bank lots of biglaw money quickly) or YS with special unicorn jobs, but for the most part, the person going to Duke is worse at playing the game of life than the person going to TT.

This is absolute drivel.

its really not. someone that takes out 300k in loans and repays it all in a big city at 160k who could have made 100k before has a lower ROI than someone who tops out at 50k making 75k in low COL area and repays little of their 300k debt.

[jbagelboy]

I've come out on exactly the opposite of this for the most part. Generally, those people that are smart enough to get into a T14 should pursue other options with greater ROIs. Those people that are not smart enough to get into the T14s and are not that smart are probably more tailor made for being lawyers (it's a very redundant job with minimal creativity and analysis). A legal eduction provides a much higher ROI to dumber people and pushing them into the middle class than smart people and pushing them into the upper middle class.

A free T14 education might be worth it (to bank lots of biglaw money quickly) or YS with special unicorn jobs, but for the most part, the person going to Duke is worse at playing the game of life than the person going to TT.

This is absolute drivel.

its really not. someone that takes out 300k in loans and repays it all in a big city at 160k who could have made 100k before has a lower ROI than someone who tops out at 50k making 75k in low COL area and repays little of their 300k debt.

There are folks at more than two or three law schools who wind up using their legal education for more than corporate due diligence and copy paste. I know that a lot of people even at top law schools wind up spending their days principally on middle to lower-middle level processing power tasks; however, there are people doing very high quality and sophisticated work that they needed the JD to accomplish coming from a group of schools and backgrounds, so it's erroneous to discard law school for all intelligent persons (or to draw this arbitrary distinction between "smart" and "dumb" at all) on the basis of the relative monotony of a majority of them.

[PeanutsNJam]

Or you go to a T14 or even strong regional for free and then go make 160k outside NYC. Assuming k-JD, I can't think of any other career path that has you making 145-160k by 25 without substantially more luck than it takes to be above median at T14 or top 25% at a regional.

[Gifted Hands]

Or you go to a T14 or even strong regional for free and then go make 160k outside NYC. Assuming k-JD, I can't think of any other career path that has you making 145-160k by 25 without substantially more luck than it takes to be above median at T14 or top 25% at a regional.

Besides the fact that i love how frequently you mention "strong regional" we get it bro, you go to WUSTL, you're seeling yourself short, WUSTL easily places top 30%. and i'm soooooo sure that the 25 % are the exact 25% that get BL. no there are many outliers

[PeanutsNJam]

Or you go to a T14 or even strong regional for free and then go make 160k outside NYC. Assuming k-JD, I can't think of any other career path that has you making 145-160k by 25 without substantially more luck than it takes to be above median at T14 or top 25% at a regional.

Besides the fact that i love how frequently you mention "strong regional" we get it bro, you go to WUSTL, you're seeling yourself short, WUSTL easily places top 30%. and i'm soooooo sure that the 25 % are the exact 25% that get BL. no there are many outliers

What does attending wustl have to do with acknowledging that there is a (rather large) class of law schools outside the T14 worth going to with a full or near full scholly?

[stego]

Or you go to a T14 or even strong regional for free and then go make 160k outside NYC. Assuming k-JD, I can't think of any other career path that has you making 145-160k by 25 without substantially more luck than it takes to be above median at T14 or top 25% at a regional.

Besides the fact that i love how frequently you mention "strong regional" we get it bro, you go to WUSTL, you're seeling yourself short, WUSTL easily places top 30%. and i'm soooooo sure that the 25 % are the exact 25% that get BL. no there are many outliers

STFU gifted hands

[Nachoo2019]

Or you go to a T14 or even strong regional for free and then go make 160k outside NYC. Assuming k-JD, I can't think of any other career path that has you making 145-160k by 25 without substantially more luck than it takes to be above median at T14 or top 25% at a regional.

Besides the fact that i love how frequently you mention "strong regional" we get it bro, you go to WUSTL, you're seeling yourself short, WUSTL easily places top 30%. and i'm soooooo sure that the 25 % are the exact 25% that get BL. no there are many outliers

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 0&t=263173

[BigZuck]

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[Gifted Hands]

I've come out on exactly the opposite of this for the most part. Generally, those people that are smart enough to get into a T14 should pursue other options with greater ROIs. Those people that are not smart enough to get into the T14s and are not that smart are probably more tailor made for being lawyers (it's a very redundant job with minimal creativity and analysis). A legal eduction provides a much higher ROI to dumber people and pushing them into the middle class than smart people and pushing them into the upper middle class.

A free T14 education might be worth it (to bank lots of biglaw money quickly) or YS with special unicorn jobs, but for the most part, the person going to Duke is worse at playing the game of life than the person going to TT.

yea but for the nebby's in the world who were not born with capital to invest to make a solid ROI, where else are they going to go to get free money to invest with----- student loans! ding ding ding. unfortunately, they are limited to investing in themselves, which ends poorly bc ppl tend to misjudge their abilities

I have capital and am going to start a settlement mill and 20:1 ROI's are not unusual. Just gotta pick a non-compettive market.

[Johann]

I've come out on exactly the opposite of this for the most part. Generally, those people that are smart enough to get into a T14 should pursue other options with greater ROIs. Those people that are not smart enough to get into the T14s and are not that smart are probably more tailor made for being lawyers (it's a very redundant job with minimal creativity and analysis). A legal eduction provides a much higher ROI to dumber people and pushing them into the middle class than smart people and pushing them into the upper middle class.

A free T14 education might be worth it (to bank lots of biglaw money quickly) or YS with special unicorn jobs, but for the most part, the person going to Duke is worse at playing the game of life than the person going to TT.

yea but for the nebby's in the world who were not born with capital to invest to make a solid ROI, where else are they going to go to get free money to invest with----- student loans! ding ding ding. unfortunately, they are limited to investing in themselves, which ends poorly bc ppl tend to misjudge their abilities

I have capital and am going to start a settlement mill and 20:1 ROI's are not unusual. Just gotta pick a non-compettive market.

You can get student loans for business school. But yeah I also agree that student loans are a great source of accessible capital for 20 year olds that otherwise don't have access to it.

[Gifted Hands]

I've come out on exactly the opposite of this for the most part. Generally, those people that are smart enough to get into a T14 should pursue other options with greater ROIs. Those people that are not smart enough to get into the T14s and are not that smart are probably more tailor made for being lawyers (it's a very redundant job with minimal creativity and analysis). A legal eduction provides a much higher ROI to dumber people and pushing them into the middle class than smart people and pushing them into the upper middle class.

A free T14 education might be worth it (to bank lots of biglaw money quickly) or YS with special unicorn jobs, but for the most part, the person going to Duke is worse at playing the game of life than the person going to TT.

yea but for the nebby's in the world who were not born with capital to invest to make a solid ROI, where else are they going to go to get free money to invest with----- student loans! ding ding ding. unfortunately, they are limited to investing in themselves, which ends poorly bc ppl tend to misjudge their abilities

I have capital and am going to start a settlement mill and 20:1 ROI's are not unusual. Just gotta pick a non-compettive market.

You can get student loans for business school. But yeah I also agree that student loans are a great source of accessible capital for 20 year olds that otherwise don't have access to it.

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic, but the loans would cover tuition and living expenses. You would still have to eat. The only way that student loans would work as feasible capital for a start-up is if you already have living expenses taken care of. Honestly, this route is only available to trust fund kinds and kids whose parents would give them $ to start a biz.

[Gifted Hands]

And i am doing the above route instead of using cash bc i'd rather ride the paye train in case it fails- i have independent wealth (not a whole lot but enough to start a biz). but i believe in carrying more cash an more debt than having no cash

[cavalier1138]

I've come out on exactly the opposite of this for the most part. Generally, those people that are smart enough to get into a T14 should pursue other options with greater ROIs. Those people that are not smart enough to get into the T14s and are not that smart are probably more tailor made for being lawyers (it's a very redundant job with minimal creativity and analysis). A legal eduction provides a much higher ROI to dumber people and pushing them into the middle class than smart people and pushing them into the upper middle class.

A free T14 education might be worth it (to bank lots of biglaw money quickly) or YS with special unicorn jobs, but for the most part, the person going to Duke is worse at playing the game of life than the person going to TT.

yea but for the nebby's in the world who were not born with capital to invest to make a solid ROI, where else are they going to go to get free money to invest with----- student loans! ding ding ding. unfortunately, they are limited to investing in themselves, which ends poorly bc ppl tend to misjudge their abilities

I have capital and am going to start a settlement mill and 20:1 ROI's are not unusual. Just gotta pick a non-compettive market.

You can get student loans for business school. But yeah I also agree that student loans are a great source of accessible capital for 20 year olds that otherwise don't have access to it.

I'd tell you to not bother responding to the obvious troll, but your positions on this thread have been nearly as ridiculous. Duke it out, you two.

[Gifted Hands]

I've come out on exactly the opposite of this for the most part. Generally, those people that are smart enough to get into a T14 should pursue other options with greater ROIs. Those people that are not smart enough to get into the T14s and are not that smart are probably more tailor made for being lawyers (it's a very redundant job with minimal creativity and analysis). A legal eduction provides a much higher ROI to dumber people and pushing them into the middle class than smart people and pushing them into the upper middle class.

A free T14 education might be worth it (to bank lots of biglaw money quickly) or YS with special unicorn jobs, but for the most part, the person going to Duke is worse at playing the game of life than the person going to TT.

yea but for the nebby's in the world who were not born with capital to invest to make a solid ROI, where else are they going to go to get free money to invest with----- student loans! ding ding ding. unfortunately, they are limited to investing in themselves, which ends poorly bc ppl tend to misjudge their abilities

I have capital and am going to start a settlement mill and 20:1 ROI's are not unusual. Just gotta pick a non-compettive market.

You can get student loans for business school. But yeah I also agree that student loans are a great source of accessible capital for 20 year olds that otherwise don't have access to it.

I'd tell you to not bother responding to the obvious troll, but your positions on this thread have been nearly as ridiculous. Duke it out, you two.

troll gets thrown around too loosely. I give solid, if not contrarian advice, and i like to be entertaining. I don't think that counts as trolling

[star fox]

I've come out on exactly the opposite of this for the most part. Generally, those people that are smart enough to get into a T14 should pursue other options with greater ROIs. Those people that are not smart enough to get into the T14s and are not that smart are probably more tailor made for being lawyers (it's a very redundant job with minimal creativity and analysis). A legal eduction provides a much higher ROI to dumber people and pushing them into the middle class than smart people and pushing them into the upper middle class.

A free T14 education might be worth it (to bank lots of biglaw money quickly) or YS with special unicorn jobs, but for the most part, the person going to Duke is worse at playing the game of life than the person going to TT.

Ehh, even at T14s most people have fairly worthless undergrad degrees and law school was a better option than whatever they were pursuing before.

[Gifted Hands]

just remember op: it'x only the disgruntled ppl who complain online. you never hear from the law school satisfied crowd. i want hear some TTTTT success stories: feed them to me

[TLSModBot]

I think OP should choose "die".

[Gifted Hands]

Id take VANDY over Georgetown at same price for any market (Georgetown's class is massive and Vanderbilts hiring numbers are just as good)

I'd take UCLA over Duke, Cornell, and Georgetown if I wanted California

I'd take U of Texas with money over Cornell if I wanted Texas...

T-17 is solid imo

~(I'm someone with a top 10 acceptance who will be attending one of the above schools for the stated reasons plus $$$)

No no no no... do you realize how many ppl from gtown go straight to fed gov work that vandy kids couldn't dream of. Go recalculate the stats taking gov't jobs into consideration. Recommending vandy over gtown at same price is ban worthy advice,

[Kali the Annihilator]

I have noticed that most of the people on here seem to be very narrow minded and have the mindset that if you don't go to a t14 school then its a waste of time to go to any other schools and you should retake over and over until you score good enough on the LSAT. Does everyone seem to agree with that? I'm trying to give hope to people that get into good schools that are NOT t14. thoughts?

I have noticed that many people hate nuance. Thoughts?

[A. Nony Mouse]

Id take VANDY over Georgetown at same price for any market (Georgetown's class is massive and Vanderbilts hiring numbers are just as good)

I'd take UCLA over Duke, Cornell, and Georgetown if I wanted California

I'd take U of Texas with money over Cornell if I wanted Texas...

T-17 is solid imo

~(I'm someone with a top 10 acceptance who will be attending one of the above schools for the stated reasons plus $$$)

No no no no... do you realize how many ppl from gtown go straight to fed gov work that vandy kids couldn't dream of. Go recalculate the stats taking gov't jobs into consideration. Recommending vandy over gtown at same price is ban worthy advice,

What?

[Gifted Hands]

Id take VANDY over Georgetown at same price for any market (Georgetown's class is massive and Vanderbilts hiring numbers are just as good)

I'd take UCLA over Duke, Cornell, and Georgetown if I wanted California

I'd take U of Texas with money over Cornell if I wanted Texas...

T-17 is solid imo

~(I'm someone with a top 10 acceptance who will be attending one of the above schools for the stated reasons plus $$$)

No no no no... do you realize how many ppl from gtown go straight to fed gov work that vandy kids couldn't dream of. Go recalculate the stats taking gov't jobs into consideration. Recommending vandy over gtown at same price is ban worthy advice,

What?

he is saying vandy over gtown all other factors being equal, which is irresponsible advice bc a lot of gtown's gov't numbers are ee=levated bc they goot desireable jobs and chose them over BL

[A. Nony Mouse]

But self-selection.

[Gifted Hands]

But self-selection.

which means less competition for BL