GW(105k) vs. Fordham(90k) Forum

[Crushing_on_Hawke]

Having a really hard time choosing. I won't have to take loans - my parents are willing to pay for either school, and that almost makes choice more difficult. Would definitely like to have a nice job upon graduation, but will definitely temper expectations.
PS: not retaking and reapplying.

[Danny Mothers]

PS: not retaking and reapplying.

Just come out and say it: you have a high GPA and a low LSAT score. You know what you should do. Why are you wasting our time playing hard to get.

[Crushing_on_Hawke]

PS: not retaking and reapplying.

Just come out and say it: you have a high GPA and a low LSAT score. You know what you should do. Why are you wasting our time playing hard to get.

I actually don't - 3.6/167, so not high GPA. Retqke reapply is a go-to advice here, but it is useless for my question.

[lymenheimer]

PS: not retaking and reapplying.

Just come out and say it: you have a high GPA and a low LSAT score. You know what you should do. Why are you wasting our time playing hard to get.

I actually don't - 3.6/167, so not high GPA. Retqke reapply is a go-to advice here, but it is useless for my question.

Yea Danny...ffs. Why would you retake to get a free education from a top school when you can get a free education from one of these two schools?

[Crushing_on_Hawke]

PS: not retaking and reapplying.

Just come out and say it: you have a high GPA and a low LSAT score. You know what you should do. Why are you wasting our time playing hard to get.

I actually don't - 3.6/167, so not high GPA. Retqke reapply is a go-to advice here, but it is useless for my question.

Yea Danny...ffs. Why would you retake to get a free education from a top school when you can get a free education from one of these two schools?

Such adorable sarcasm.

[Danny Mothers]

PS: not retaking and reapplying.

Just come out and say it: you have a high GPA and a low LSAT score. You know what you should do. Why are you wasting our time playing hard to get.

I actually don't - 3.6/167, so not high GPA. Retqke reapply is a go-to advice here, but it is useless for my question.

Not useless. You could retake into 172+ and get money at better schools or even a chance at Harvard if you get high enough. Either of these choices will still carry a hefty COA for a huge risk of unemployment post grad.

The question you really need to ask yourself is why you think you'll do so well during 1L at Fordham or GW when you're either unwilling or see yourself as unable to study for and ace the LSAT.

[emkay625]

If you want to practice in NY pick Fordham, anywhere else I vote pick GW.

[Crushing_on_Hawke]

PS: not retaking and reapplying.

Just come out and say it: you have a high GPA and a low LSAT score. You know what you should do. Why are you wasting our time playing hard to get.

I actually don't - 3.6/167, so not high GPA. Retqke reapply is a go-to advice here, but it is useless for my question.

Not useless. You could retake into 172+ and get money at better schools or even a chance at Harvard if you get high enough. Either of these choices will still carry a hefty COA for a huge risk of unemployment post grad.

The question you really need to ask yourself is why you think you'll do so well during 1L at Fordham or GW when you're either unwilling or see yourself as unable to study for and ace the LSAT.

Where do I say I'm sure I'll do well?
Also employment prospects (aka not being able to find a fancy Biglaw job or what not) don't bother me too much - beauty of having rich parents.

[silenttimer]

PS: not retaking and reapplying.

Just come out and say it: you have a high GPA and a low LSAT score. You know what you should do. Why are you wasting our time playing hard to get.

I actually don't - 3.6/167, so not high GPA. Retqke reapply is a go-to advice here, but it is useless for my question.

Yea Danny...ffs. Why would you retake to get a free education from a top school when you can get a free education from one of these two schools?

It is fine to give advice, but you don't have to be self-righteous about it. OP simply asked what he/she should choose between the two schools. Answer the question, give your unsolicited advice without the self-righteousness, or just ignore the post. I am not saying OP is one of them, but there are people in this world to whom $100-200k doesn't mean anything.

[Danny Mothers]

Where do I say I'm sure I'll do well?
Also employment prospects don't bother me too much - beauty of having rich parents.

Presumably you want a job. Why mess around with law school if not--just go be young and unemployed in NYC for 3 years and save yourself the couple hundred thousand you'd drop at Fordham.

[lymenheimer]

It is fine to give advice, but you don't have to be self-righteous about it. OP simply asked what he/she should choose between the two schools. Answer the question, give your unsolicited advice without the self-righteousness, or just ignore the post. I am not saying OP is one of them, but there are people in this world to whom $100-200k doesn't mean anything.

Who's being self-righteous? I'm not even talking about the money. I'm talking about getting a free education from a better school. Of course I don't give a shit what the OP actually decides to do with his parents' money. But I'd feel remiss not trying to insult him into a retake when he could likely get Harvard for free.

[Danny Mothers]

It is fine to give advice, but you don't have to be self-righteous about it. OP simply asked what he/she should choose between the two schools. Answer the question, give your unsolicited advice without the self-righteousness, or just ignore the post. I am not saying OP is one of them, but there are people in this world to whom $100-200k doesn't mean anything.

Look, this dude/lady is being super evasive right off the bat because he/she knows what's coming. He/she knows he/she should retake but wants to be lazy. If he/she had followed the sticky post and not been lazy with calculating COAs, maybe he/she would have deserved to have his/her question answered.

[pppp]

I would pick Fordham unless you have an aversion to nyc

[pppp]

It is fine to give advice, but you don't have to be self-righteous about it. OP simply asked what he/she should choose between the two schools. Answer the question, give your unsolicited advice without the self-righteousness, or just ignore the post. I am not saying OP is one of them, but there are people in this world to whom $100-200k doesn't mean anything.

Look, this dude/lady is being super evasive right off the bat because he/she knows what's coming. He/she knows he/she should retake but wants to be lazy. If he/she had followed the sticky post and not been lazy with calculating COAs, maybe he/she would have deserved to have his/her question answered.

Maybe he didn't calculate coa because he doesn't care. Which he explicitly stated, money is not part of the equation here.

[mornincounselor]

A 167 is pretty strong, I'll answer this as if retake was off the table.

I think if we acknowledge that GW's BL rate is heavily inflated due to their IP preference, then Fordham's BL rate hovers a ways above GW. I think Fordham can be a fair choice at this price.

Here's the caveats -- (1) while about one-third of Fordham's class gets NYC big law the other two-thirds struggle to find work. It seems Fordham gives almost all of their attention to making sure that top third gets big law, so if you don't get there you may very well be on your own to find work; (2) not all big law is the same, I think most people think NYC is among the worst places in terms of hours, it is the ~worst in terms of costs of living, taxes, etc. and not all NYC big law is the same, Fordham might very well place students in the more intensive firms.

So basically if you're OK with NYC I'd go with Fordham if you are not I'd not go to either of these places.

[Danny Mothers]

Maybe he didn't calculate coa because he doesn't care. Which he explicitly stated, money is not part of the equation here.

Right, OP thinks this situation is so special that the rules don't apply. Why should I mess around with the explicit question when I can spend my time more wisely by combating the latest "I'm a special snowflake" false dilemma?

[mornincounselor]

Maybe he didn't calculate coa because he doesn't care. Which he explicitly stated, money is not part of the equation here.

Right, OP thinks this situation is so special that the rules don't apply. Why should I mess around with the explicit question when I can spend my time more wisely by combating the latest "I'm a special snowflake" false dilemma?

Well, normally we are assuming the person will be spending their hard earned money or going in debt. That not being the case here is relevant. This guy isn't a special snowflake, he's just rich af. That does change the calculus. Personally if I was OP I would go to some lifestyle Cali school and just chill.

[silenttimer]

If you want to be a lawyer, then it comes down to where you want to live the next three years.

[Mikey]

Shit.. If my parents were going to pay for all of law school, I'd definitely go to a T14.. Did you not apply to any of them? But since you refuse to retake, do you want to work in NY or DC?

Also, why are employment prospects not a concern for you? Your parents may be rich but 3 years of law school isn't something you can get back if you can't find a job. Unless of course if what you meant was that your family is rich and have some strong ties in the legal field..

[Rigo]

Are you on waitlists for higher ranked schools? I feel like your numbers are decent enough for Georgetown or Cornell or something or at least UCLA/USC.

[gaddockteeg]

A 167 is pretty strong, I'll answer this as if retake was off the table.

I think if we acknowledge that GW's BL rate is heavily inflated due to their IP preference, then Fordham's BL rate hovers a ways above GW. I think Fordham can be a fair choice at this price.

Here's the caveats -- (1) while about one-third of Fordham's class gets NYC big law the other two-thirds struggle to find work. It seems Fordham gives almost all of their attention to making sure that top third gets big law, so if you don't get there you may very well be on your own to find work; (2) not all big law is the same, I think most people think NYC is among the worst places in terms of hours, it is the ~worst in terms of costs of living, taxes, etc. and not all NYC big law is the same, Fordham might very well place students in the more intensive firms.

So basically if you're OK with NYC I'd go with Fordham if you are not I'd not go to either of these places.

GW and Fordham's BL rate are also (arguably) deflated because the top students tend to transfer out. So while they might place 30% of graduating students into BL, that doesnt take into account the 10% that left after 1L. While 30% to 40% isn't a huge difference, I think it's worth noting.