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speed_the_loot
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Re: What's with Seton Hall's Employment Stats?
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GreenEggs
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Re: What's with Seton Hall's Employment Stats?
8 million people in NJ and only a few law schools. Pretty insular and densely populated so a lot of people are going to clerk
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Roundhill
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Re: What's with Seton Hall's Employment Stats?
What's the point of Seton Hall Law? Why not just go to Rutgers in Newark? Much cheaper and slightly better outcomes and reputation.
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Johann
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Re: What's with Seton Hall's Employment Stats?
holy shit. this site needs to pump seton hall as the place to be for lazy people/people with terrible lsats. get a kush ass job paying 55k a year for 40 hours of work PSLF eligible. damn i goofed.
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A. Nony Mouse
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Re: What's with Seton Hall's Employment Stats?
They're still 1-year gigs, though.JohannDeMann wrote:holy shit. this site needs to pump seton hall as the place to be for lazy people/people with terrible lsats. get a kush ass job paying 55k a year for 40 hours of work PSLF eligible. damn i goofed.
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Johann
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Re: What's with Seton Hall's Employment Stats?
nm. ive been regretting not going to SHU since last night. thansk for clarifying.A. Nony Mouse wrote:They're still 1-year gigs, though.JohannDeMann wrote:holy shit. this site needs to pump seton hall as the place to be for lazy people/people with terrible lsats. get a kush ass job paying 55k a year for 40 hours of work PSLF eligible. damn i goofed.
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donewithannarbor
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Re: What's with Seton Hall's Employment Stats?
What Roundhill said...
To add additional insight: the "big" NJ firms generally top out at 150 attorneys and most do not have summer programs anymore. Most hire junior attorneys after they clerk. The remainder of the hiring firms in NJ are small and midsize and hire juniors as needed-- again, more often post clerkship that post graduation. The NJ Superior Courts, trial and appellate level, do clerkship hiring on the traditional federal model (roughly speaking-- and not nearly as far out in advance), meaning they hire recent grads to 1 or sometimes 2 year stints. And even after the disastrous reign of Christie (many judicial vacancies), there are still a lot of state court judges. NY's state courts do not follow this model. Thus, NJ school employment numbers show these relatively huge numbers of clerkship placements.
And in case you are wondering about the District of New Jersey and 3d Circuit-- those judges hire recent grads at a lower rate than SDNY/elsewhere. It is more commonly the case that they hire people who have been at a reputable firm for 1-3 years. Take it from an RLS alum hired in DNJ after a year at a firm. Thus in the most recent stats, for example, you only see 3 RLS grads going straight to federal clerkships and I think only 1 SH grad. Over the next few years I'd estimate 8-12 Rutgers alums from that class and 5-10 SHU alums will clerk, primarily in DNJ.
To add additional insight: the "big" NJ firms generally top out at 150 attorneys and most do not have summer programs anymore. Most hire junior attorneys after they clerk. The remainder of the hiring firms in NJ are small and midsize and hire juniors as needed-- again, more often post clerkship that post graduation. The NJ Superior Courts, trial and appellate level, do clerkship hiring on the traditional federal model (roughly speaking-- and not nearly as far out in advance), meaning they hire recent grads to 1 or sometimes 2 year stints. And even after the disastrous reign of Christie (many judicial vacancies), there are still a lot of state court judges. NY's state courts do not follow this model. Thus, NJ school employment numbers show these relatively huge numbers of clerkship placements.
And in case you are wondering about the District of New Jersey and 3d Circuit-- those judges hire recent grads at a lower rate than SDNY/elsewhere. It is more commonly the case that they hire people who have been at a reputable firm for 1-3 years. Take it from an RLS alum hired in DNJ after a year at a firm. Thus in the most recent stats, for example, you only see 3 RLS grads going straight to federal clerkships and I think only 1 SH grad. Over the next few years I'd estimate 8-12 Rutgers alums from that class and 5-10 SHU alums will clerk, primarily in DNJ.
