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Re: Help Me Choose

Post by lymenheimer » Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:16 pm

Being here for 7 years, you know the suggestion/advice TLS will provide.

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Post by cavalier1138 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:00 pm

Why is it always people who know they need to retake who emphasize that they just really don't want to?

If you want to do wine law (I had no idea that was a thing), then one of the local UCs may be a good deal for you. But if you want to work in a large firm, especially on international contracts, or work in the government, then you need to retake the LSAT and get yourself some better options. None of the schools you listed (including GW) will get you work in international law, which is even hard for people in some of the top schools to get.
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Re: Help Me Choose

Post by cron1834 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:01 pm

These are OUTLANDISH prices for mediocre schools. No way will anyone cosign any of this.

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Re: Help Me Choose

Post by raven1231 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:28 pm

RETAKE!!!!!!!!!!!






I wanted to join the retake train :)

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Re: Help Me Choose

Post by cbbinnyc » Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:43 pm

cavalier1138 wrote:Why is it always people who know they need to retake who emphasize that they just really don't want to?

If you want to do wine law (I had no idea that was a thing), then one of the local UCs may be a good deal for you. But if you want to work in a large firm, especially on international contracts, or work in the government, then you need to retake the LSAT and get yourself some better options. None of the schools you listed (including GW) will get you work in international law, which is even hard for people in some of the top schools to get.
Agreed. For somebody with an MBA who is pretty far out of undergrad, these career goals seem pretty broad. If you have connections to an industry or a specific company in the bay area, maybe you could justify going to a UC ... though even if that's the case you should retake to get more scholarship money.

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Re: Help Me Choose

Post by Jordan Catalano » Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:19 pm

http://www.winelawonreserve.com/2012/01 ... -wine-law/

Wine law exists! My path in life is clear now.

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Re: Help Me Choose

Post by jnwa » Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:23 pm

Im not gunna give my opinion because i dont know shit about the schools, but on these kind of threads where OP acknowledges that they dont want to retake, why dont people just answer the question asked with the caveat that a retake is better.

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Re: Help Me Choose

Post by cron1834 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:38 pm

jnwa wrote:Im not gunna give my opinion because i dont know shit about the schools, but on these kind of threads where OP acknowledges that they dont want to retake, why dont people just answer the question asked with the caveat that a retake is better.
"Should I kill myself with pills or a needle? 'Don't kill yourself' isn't an option, just tell me which is better. Answer with a caveat, at least..."

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Re: Help Me Choose

Post by Jordan Catalano » Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:39 pm

Completely unscientific comment here, but it seems like a lot of these threads where people are adamant on not retaking come from older applicants who have job and family considerations that make taking an extra year to study not worth it in their calculation of where they are in their life and where they want to go, financially and geographically. I think that makes sense.

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Post by BigZuck » Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:52 pm

Jordan Catalano wrote:Completely unscientific comment here, but it seems like a lot of these threads where people are adamant on not retaking come from older applicants who have job and family considerations that make taking an extra year to study not worth it in their calculation of where they are in their life and where they want to go, financially and geographically. I think that makes sense.
As an old myself, I have no sympathy for this. Especially if the argument is that they can't retake because of financial reasons, so they're going to go to some mediocre school for 150K debt to try and become a space lawyer or International Lawyer of Mystery or whatever.

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Post by curry1 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:55 pm

Jordan Catalano wrote:Completely unscientific comment here, but it seems like a lot of these threads where people are adamant on not retaking come from older applicants who have job and family considerations that make taking an extra year to study not worth it in their calculation of where they are in their life and where they want to go, financially and geographically. I think that makes sense.
Then they should not go to law school.

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Re: Help Me Choose

Post by jnwa » Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:57 pm

cron1834 wrote:
jnwa wrote:Im not gunna give my opinion because i dont know shit about the schools, but on these kind of threads where OP acknowledges that they dont want to retake, why dont people just answer the question asked with the caveat that a retake is better.
"Should I kill myself with pills or a needle? 'Don't kill yourself' isn't an option, just tell me which is better. Answer with a caveat, at least..."
If were on a message board in a section devoted to advice on suicide methods then yes; dont kill yourself, but pills are less painful would be appropriate advice.

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Re: Help Me Choose

Post by BigZuck » Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:16 pm

jnwa wrote:
cron1834 wrote:
jnwa wrote:Im not gunna give my opinion because i dont know shit about the schools, but on these kind of threads where OP acknowledges that they dont want to retake, why dont people just answer the question asked with the caveat that a retake is better.
"Should I kill myself with pills or a needle? 'Don't kill yourself' isn't an option, just tell me which is better. Answer with a caveat, at least..."
If were on a message board in a section devoted to advice on suicide methods then yes; dont kill yourself, but pills are less painful would be appropriate advice.
Free will is a thing, it's a free country, etc. so if you think there exists a bad advice gap on TLS and you want to fill that gap with bad advice of the kind you're advocating here then by all means knock yourself out.

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Re: Help Me Choose

Post by cron1834 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:16 pm

jnwa wrote:
cron1834 wrote:
jnwa wrote:Im not gunna give my opinion because i dont know shit about the schools, but on these kind of threads where OP acknowledges that they dont want to retake, why dont people just answer the question asked with the caveat that a retake is better.
"Should I kill myself with pills or a needle? 'Don't kill yourself' isn't an option, just tell me which is better. Answer with a caveat, at least..."
If were on a message board in a section devoted to advice on suicide methods then yes; dont kill yourself, but pills are less painful would be appropriate advice.
But I wouldn't be obligated to give that advice. And you'd be in no place to talk down to someone for refusing to give it. Because it's the wrong answer.

Also, re: advice for olds - as a nontrad it's even more important not to fuck up your admissions decisions. You have fewer working years left to pay off your debt and save, and you might get some soft discrimination at OCI. Signed, an old.

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Re: Help Me Choose

Post by BigZuck » Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:19 pm

Also the world is teeming with bad advice when it comes to law school. Just go ask a boomer or your aunt or whatever if you want to hear what you want to hear. TLS doesn't have to be like literally every other fount of bad advice that people have access to.

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Re: Help Me Choose

Post by jnwa » Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:23 pm

BigZuck wrote:
jnwa wrote:
cron1834 wrote:
jnwa wrote:Im not gunna give my opinion because i dont know shit about the schools, but on these kind of threads where OP acknowledges that they dont want to retake, why dont people just answer the question asked with the caveat that a retake is better.
"Should I kill myself with pills or a needle? 'Don't kill yourself' isn't an option, just tell me which is better. Answer with a caveat, at least..."
If were on a message board in a section devoted to advice on suicide methods then yes; dont kill yourself, but pills are less painful would be appropriate advice.
Free will is a thing, it's a free country, etc. so if you think there exists a bad advice gap on TLS and you want to fill that gap with bad advice of the kind you're advocating here then by all means knock yourself out.
Wasnt saying that ..i think the retaking advice is often good. I retook a 173. I just feel like if someone is coming here for help deciding between options and clearly unwilling to retake then the only advice they get is retake, they might end up taking the worst of their already mediocre options.

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Re: Help Me Choose

Post by cron1834 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:42 pm

Dude, OP is asking about paying like $200k for random mediocre schools. This isn't retaking a 173. Not the right battle to fight.

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Re: Help Me Choose

Post by BigZuck » Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:43 pm

jnwa wrote:
BigZuck wrote:
jnwa wrote:
cron1834 wrote:
jnwa wrote:Im not gunna give my opinion because i dont know shit about the schools, but on these kind of threads where OP acknowledges that they dont want to retake, why dont people just answer the question asked with the caveat that a retake is better.
"Should I kill myself with pills or a needle? 'Don't kill yourself' isn't an option, just tell me which is better. Answer with a caveat, at least..."
If were on a message board in a section devoted to advice on suicide methods then yes; dont kill yourself, but pills are less painful would be appropriate advice.
Free will is a thing, it's a free country, etc. so if you think there exists a bad advice gap on TLS and you want to fill that gap with bad advice of the kind you're advocating here then by all means knock yourself out.
Wasnt saying that ..i think the retaking advice is often good. I retook a 173. I just feel like if someone is coming here for help deciding between options and clearly unwilling to retake then the only advice they get is retake, they might end up taking the worst of their already mediocre options.
This cuts against my free will thing but if that's what ends up happening then that person is doomed. If objectively good advice is ignored, and then they bypass the second worst option and end up with the worst of all options just because they were given the best possible advice then that person was screwed all along. There's nothing TLS could do for them.

Here it's not:

Good option
OK option
Bad option

It's:

Good option
Bad options

I speak for the Hive when I say that the Hive acknowledges ok options even if retake is the only good option. There are no ok options here for the OP.

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