Columbia vs. NYU vs. retake for government Forum

[jadenkorr]

Hi all, thanks for the advice! I'll leave the poll open for now and will probably request that the thread be deleted in a couple of days.

[krads153]

Do you have large schollies at lower T-14s? These costs are way too high IMO, even if your family is paying. For fed gov work, I think that the T-14 is generally looked at the same IMO (except for maybe HYS).

Anyway, NYU has a much better support system/network for PI work....but I don't know if it's smart paying this much for law school. If your parents have like $10 million liquid, it doesn't matter as much since this is all just peanut money. If your parents are just middle class who have saved money for your education, I would definitely rethink going to these schools at these prices.

[ih8makingscreennames]

I'm interested in other replies. However, if anything is wrong with your application (not saying there is; could just be the applicant pool), I don't think it's the LSAT score that's holding you're back. I'm actually shocked you didn't get more $$ but I don't understand the adcomms game.

[rpupkin]

I agree that a retake wouldn't help. I also agree that you should be considering more affordable T14 options, assuming you have them. Why are you fixated on CLS and NYU?

[jadenkorr]

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[rpupkin]

I agree that a retake wouldn't help. I also agree that you should be considering more affordable T14 options, assuming you have them. Why are you fixated on CLS and NYU?

East coast makes sense for a variety of personal reasons (SO and family nearby), and I was waitlisted at UVA, Penn, Michigan, and Chicago. I have a $115,000 scholarship from Duke, but would prefer to be in New York. To clarify, parents are in the $10M+ liquid bucket so cost really isn't a factor.

Ok. Then go to whichever of CLS/NYU you like more. Based on your OP, it sounds like you prefer NYU--so go there.

[krads153]

I agree that a retake wouldn't help. I also agree that you should be considering more affordable T14 options, assuming you have them. Why are you fixated on CLS and NYU?

East coast makes sense for a variety of personal reasons (SO and family nearby), and I was waitlisted at UVA, Penn, Michigan, and Chicago. I have a $115,000 scholarship from Duke, but would prefer to be in New York. To clarify, parents are in the $10M+ liquid bucket so cost really isn't a factor.

Then I guess it doesn't matter, but can you just skip law school and learn to trade and make money off $200k initial investment or open your own business or something? That's what I would be doing...

As for gov, I don't think it matters what you pick. For PI, I think NYU has a better support system and network, but aside from the network, PI hiring is usually less about where you went to school than other, more important factors (languages, etc.), so go whereever.

[HYPSM]

Clearly, cost is not remotely a concern for you.

Just go to Columbia.

[HYPSM]

Also, if your parents are making $10 M+, why did you outline COA like that? Clearly, it doesn't matter.

[16to19]

Likely because everyone yells at people who don't.

Also, if your parents are making $10 M+, why did you outline COA like that? Clearly, it doesn't matter!

[jadenkorr]

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[HYPSM]

Likely because everyone yells at people who don't.

Also, if your parents are making $10 M+, why did you outline COA like that? Clearly, it doesn't matter!

LOL OK, but still, he could have just said:

"Columbia v. NYU

May or may not be relevant: my parents make $10 M+.

Discuss."

[dabigchina]

"I also think that Columbia's name recognition might be helpful given that I have some interest in being able to practice outside the NYC market and in keeping options open to move into government or in-house."

There's 0 appreciable difference as far as I can see in portability of the degree. But since you are loaded, YOLO.

[dixiecupdrinking]

Literally doesn't matter between NYU and CLS. You can always go to NYU and live on the UWS if you want. Lots of people commute (to both schools; though there's more reasonable housing near CLS, I've still known people who lived in Hells Kitchen, the Village, even Brooklyn though that's a pretty gnarly commute, while going to school there).

[Nebby]

Go to CLS

I know of literally zero unhappy students. How can you be unhappy when you place more students in biglaw than any other school? Like, you literally have to self-select out of biglaw to not get biglaw at CLS

[seagan823]

Go to CLS

I know of literally zero unhappy students. How can you be unhappy when you place more students in biglaw than any other school? Like, you literally have to self-select out of biglaw to not get biglaw at CLS

Maybe you're unhappy because you know you are going to work in biglaw, which almost everyone hates?

[Nebby]

Go to CLS

I know of literally zero unhappy students. How can you be unhappy when you place more students in biglaw than any other school? Like, you literally have to self-select out of biglaw to not get biglaw at CLS

Maybe you're unhappy because you know you are going to work in biglaw, which almost everyone hates?

Doubt it. No one is unhappy until they begin biglaw. It's impossible to get a school's feeling after two admitted students days. And it's possible OP only went to one CLS day and NYU the next, since they overlap (for some idiotic or strategic reason)

[rpupkin]

Go to CLS

I know of literally zero unhappy students. How can you be unhappy when you place more students in biglaw than any other school? Like, you literally have to self-select out of biglaw to not get biglaw at CLS

I didn't even go to CLS, and I know three students—literally!—who hated CLS with a hot burning passion. One of them dropped out and went to business school, one of them transferred, and one of them stayed but—even four years after graduating—he'll bad mouth the school every chance he gets. He still says he wished he had gone to Penn or Berkeley or NYU.

My anecdotes aren't worth much, but neither are yours. The idea that there are zero unhappy students at CLS is laughable.

OP: Either CLS or NYU is fine for you. You'll find happy and unhappy students at both schools. Don't believe the trolls.

[Biglaw1990]

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[Nebby]

Go to CLS

I know of literally zero unhappy students. How can you be unhappy when you place more students in biglaw than any other school? Like, you literally have to self-select out of biglaw to not get biglaw at CLS

Maybe you're unhappy because you know you are going to work in biglaw, which almost everyone hates?

Doubt it. No one is unhappy until they begin biglaw. It's impossible to get a school's feeling after two admitted students days. And it's possible OP only went to one CLS day and NYU the next, since they overlap (for some idiotic or strategic reason)

I second this. CLS and it's not even close. Money isn't a factor here, so we're left to evaluate the merits of both schools. Columbia is one of the most elite educational institutions in the world, whereas NYU is second class at best. Choosing NYU over Columbia when cost isn't an issue is like going to Outback Steakhouse instead of Wolfgang's for a free steak. C'mon now.

CLS and NYU are peer schools. Only Ted Cruz would call NYU "second class."*

*TBF Ted Cruz would probably call Columbia second class too. Fuck Ted Cruz

[Biglaw1990]

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[Nebby]

le sigh

[kingpin101]

Go to CLS

I know of literally zero unhappy students. How can you be unhappy when you place more students in biglaw than any other school? Like, you literally have to self-select out of biglaw to not get biglaw at CLS

Maybe you're unhappy because you know you are going to work in biglaw, which almost everyone hates?

Doubt it. No one is unhappy until they begin biglaw. It's impossible to get a school's feeling after two admitted students days. And it's possible OP only went to one CLS day and NYU the next, since they overlap (for some idiotic or strategic reason)

I second this. CLS and it's not even close. Money isn't a factor here, so we're left to evaluate the merits of both schools. Columbia is one of the most elite educational institutions in the world, whereas NYU is second class at best. Choosing NYU over Columbia when cost isn't an issue is like going to Outback Steakhouse instead of Wolfgang's for a free steak. C'mon now.

CLS and NYU are peer schools for purposes of biglaw hiring, and that's what OP is looking to do for a couple of years after graduation

I understand that CLS=NYU for NYC Biglaw, but why not go to the more prestigious place since money isn't a factor? I can see someone making an NYU>CLS argument if the COA was cheaper at NYU, but that's not applicable here. I'm not trying to be a prestige-obsessed 0L troll, but it seems like a no-brainer to me. Especially since OP attended an Ivy for undergrad. Why not attend an Ivy for law school as well since $ isn't a concern.

IDK, isn't saying that a prestige difference makes a choice a no-brainer exactly what a prestige-obsessed 0L would say?

[rpupkin]

I'm not trying to be a prestige-obsessed 0L troll, but it seems like a no-brainer to me. Especially since OP attended an Ivy for undergrad. Why not attend an Ivy for law school as well since $ isn't a concern.

You just make it look so effortless.

[Biglaw1990]

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