Class of 2015 Employment Statistics by School: #TrustTheProcess Forum

[20171203]

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[Effingham]

Notre Dame is up

ND - 40.22% (Biglaw+Federal Clerkship) (72/179)
FTBPR - 73.74% (132/179)
Federal Clerkships: 14
101-250: 13
251-500: 9
501+: 36

Is this accurate? Havent looked at this stuff since I was applying.

http://law.nd.edu/assets/196115/2015_ab ... ummary.pdf

*60% of the class financially ruined for life*

*is killing it*

Gotta disagree with you there, bud. They've substantially cut down on university funded positions while seeing increases in every other category across the board. Hate on the law school system all you want, but ND is one of the good guys out there. There are several people on this board who can attest to ND's loan repayment assistance program too.

[Hikikomorist]

Texas' stats are up: https://law.utexas.edu/wp-content/uploa ... of2015.pdf

33.8% Big Law (101+)
8.4% Fed Clerkship
42.3% Big Law + Fed

PI +Gov = 16.1%

7.6% Unemployed Seeking



2014:
35.8% Big Law
10.5% Fed Clerkship
46.4% Big Law + Fed
17.6% PI +Gov
5.1% Unemployed Seeking

Pretty terrible in light of the general trend.

It also seems like everyone in the 2015 class decided to stay in TX. Not sure if that's more chicken or egg, though. Either way, I hope it isn't a long-lasting trend.

[M13D10]

What is the required date for schools to submit this info?

[mogwli]

Texas' stats are up: https://law.utexas.edu/wp-content/uploa ... of2015.pdf

33.8% Big Law (101+)
8.4% Fed Clerkship
42.3% Big Law + Fed

PI +Gov = 16.1%

7.6% Unemployed Seeking



2014:
35.8% Big Law
10.5% Fed Clerkship
46.4% Big Law + Fed
17.6% PI +Gov
5.1% Unemployed Seeking

Pretty terrible in light of the general trend.

It also seems like everyone in the 2015 class decided to stay in TX. Not sure if that's more chicken or egg, though. Either way, I hope it isn't a long-lasting trend.

New Sherman & Sterling managing partner is UT grad. I know for next summer there are at least like 6-7 going to that firm in NY alone. Hopefully will show bigger trend in coming years. Still disappointed with this. Really hoping changes in class sizes and (hopefully) transfer classes help

[zozo]

SMU- 24.3%

http://www.law.smu.edu/getattachment/Ca ... -11-16.pdf

Good showing for them.

[cannibal ox]

Texas' stats are up: https://law.utexas.edu/wp-content/uploa ... of2015.pdf

33.8% Big Law (101+)
8.4% Fed Clerkship
42.3% Big Law + Fed

PI +Gov = 16.1%

7.6% Unemployed Seeking



2014:
35.8% Big Law
10.5% Fed Clerkship
46.4% Big Law + Fed
17.6% PI +Gov
5.1% Unemployed Seeking

Pretty terrible in light of the general trend.

It also seems like everyone in the 2015 class decided to stay in TX. Not sure if that's more chicken or egg, though. Either way, I hope it isn't a long-lasting trend.

New Sherman & Sterling managing partner is UT grad. I know for next summer there are at least like 6-7 going to that firm in NY alone. Hopefully will show bigger trend in coming years. Still disappointed with this. Really hoping changes in class sizes and (hopefully) transfer classes help

Just anecdotal but there are a significant number of c/o 2017 students going to the east coast.

[emkay625]

I wish schools were required to disclose firm names. The numbers alone are misleading. For instance, I'm going to a firm with less than 100 attorneys but the pay is still big law pay. The rise in lit boutiques and patent/IP boutiques isn't accounted for just solely going based off of numbers, which is frustrating.

[Hikikomorist]

I wish schools were required to disclose firm names. The numbers alone are misleading. For instance, I'm going to a firm with less than 100 attorneys but the pay is still big law pay. The rise in lit boutiques and patent/IP boutiques isn't accounted for just solely going based off of numbers, which is frustrating.

Yeah, a percentile breakdown for salaries would be ideal, and I think a select number of schools (e.g., maybe Penn) already provide a rough sketch of those numbers.

[BigZuck]

I wish schools were required to disclose firm names. The numbers alone are misleading. For instance, I'm going to a firm with less than 100 attorneys but the pay is still big law pay. The rise in lit boutiques and patent/IP boutiques isn't accounted for just solely going based off of numbers, which is frustrating.

Yeah, a percentile breakdown for salaries would be ideal, and I think a select number of schools (e.g., maybe Penn) already provide a rough sketch of those numbers.

https://law.utexas.edu/wp-content/uploa ... t-2014.pdf

[ND2018]

Notre Dame.

58/179(101+)=32.4%
14/176(FedClerk)=7.82% (+/- given there is a short term Fed Clerk listed).
BLFC=40.2%
http://law.nd.edu/assets/196115/2015_ab ... ummary.pdf

[RareExports]

Saint Louis University

Graduating class size: 202 (-65)
FTBPR (excl. solos): 118/202 = 58.4% (-2.6%)
BL + FC: 32/202 = 15.8% (+2.4%)
101-250: 16 (-6)
251-500: 2 (-6)
501+: 14 (+11)
FC: 0 (-3)

Seems strange to go from 3 grads to 14 grads at 501+ attorney firms, while simultaneously having drops at all other levels, but maybe someone with better knowledge of the STL market/SLU can comment on this.

http://law.slu.edu/sites/default/files/ ... report.pdf

[usernotfound]

I wish schools were required to disclose firm names. The numbers alone are misleading. For instance, I'm going to a firm with less than 100 attorneys but the pay is still big law pay. The rise in lit boutiques and patent/IP boutiques isn't accounted for just solely going based off of numbers, which is frustrating.

It would also be nice if they differentiated state clerkships, such as SSC vs lower courts, given that SSC is looked roughly as favorably as a USDC clerkship.

[Hikikomorist]

I wish schools were required to disclose firm names. The numbers alone are misleading. For instance, I'm going to a firm with less than 100 attorneys but the pay is still big law pay. The rise in lit boutiques and patent/IP boutiques isn't accounted for just solely going based off of numbers, which is frustrating.

Yeah, a percentile breakdown for salaries would be ideal, and I think a select number of schools (e.g., maybe Penn) already provide a rough sketch of those numbers.

https://law.utexas.edu/wp-content/uploa ... t-2014.pdf

Thanks! I forgot about this table. Those OCI results are mighty depressing.

[zozo]

Yale- 72.3%

https://www.law.yale.edu/student-life/c ... employment

Surprisingly high, as Yale had been between 60-67% throughout 2010-14.

[existentialcrisis]

I wish schools were required to disclose firm names. The numbers alone are misleading. For instance, I'm going to a firm with less than 100 attorneys but the pay is still big law pay. The rise in lit boutiques and patent/IP boutiques isn't accounted for just solely going based off of numbers, which is frustrating.

Yeah, a percentile breakdown for salaries would be ideal, and I think a select number of schools (e.g., maybe Penn) already provide a rough sketch of those numbers.

Yea, Penn has this. I was just looking at the Business and Industry outcomes and it seems like most are pretty solid. 25/50/75 are 120, 125 and 150k. They're essentially the same for Class of 2014.

[PatriotP74]

SMU is up http://www.law.smu.edu/getattachment/Ca ... -11-16.pdf

239 Graduates

50 Big Law (101+)
6 Fed Clerkship
56 (23.4%) Big Law + Fed

36 (15%) in Business & Industry


14 (5.8%) Unemployed Seeking

[SportsFan]

I wish schools were required to disclose firm names. The numbers alone are misleading. For instance, I'm going to a firm with less than 100 attorneys but the pay is still big law pay. The rise in lit boutiques and patent/IP boutiques isn't accounted for just solely going based off of numbers, which is frustrating.

Yeah, a percentile breakdown for salaries would be ideal, and I think a select number of schools (e.g., maybe Penn) already provide a rough sketch of those numbers.

Yea, Penn has this. I was just looking at the Business and Industry outcomes and it seems like most are pretty solid. 25/50/75 are 120, 125 and 150k. They're essentially the same for Class of 2014.

Just from stalking former classmates LinkedIn's, business/industry from Penn is a good/great outcome. Generally (but not exclusively) JD/MBA students going back to whatever field they were in before law school but in a better position.

[Biglaw1990]

Maryland-10.7%

Pace-3.4%

[Nebby]

I wish schools were required to disclose firm names. The numbers alone are misleading. For instance, I'm going to a firm with less than 100 attorneys but the pay is still big law pay. The rise in lit boutiques and patent/IP boutiques isn't accounted for just solely going based off of numbers, which is frustrating.

Unnecessary. If you want to know what type of grads go to what firm, then hit up ATL or the firm's website and look at bios.

[zozo]

tOSU - 20.5%

http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/careers/wp-con ... eport1.pdf

[Tiago Splitter]

I wish schools were required to disclose firm names. The numbers alone are misleading. For instance, I'm going to a firm with less than 100 attorneys but the pay is still big law pay. The rise in lit boutiques and patent/IP boutiques isn't accounted for just solely going based off of numbers, which is frustrating.

Unnecessary. If you want to know what type of grads go to what firm, then hit up ATL or the firm's website and look at bios.

We don't need the specific names, but at least put out the NALP report so we can see how much people in those size firms are making.

[BigZuck]

I wish schools were required to disclose firm names. The numbers alone are misleading. For instance, I'm going to a firm with less than 100 attorneys but the pay is still big law pay. The rise in lit boutiques and patent/IP boutiques isn't accounted for just solely going based off of numbers, which is frustrating.

Unnecessary. If you want to know what type of grads go to what firm, then hit up ATL or the firm's website and look at bios.

That would be a huge time suck and it wouldn't capture everything. Think about it you silly billy.

[BigZuck]

I wish schools were required to disclose firm names. The numbers alone are misleading. For instance, I'm going to a firm with less than 100 attorneys but the pay is still big law pay. The rise in lit boutiques and patent/IP boutiques isn't accounted for just solely going based off of numbers, which is frustrating.

Unnecessary. If you want to know what type of grads go to what firm, then hit up ATL or the firm's website and look at bios.

We don't need the specific names, but at least put out the NALP report so we can see how much people in those size firms are making.

AHEM
https://law.utexas.edu/wp-content/uploa ... t-2014.pdf
(I assume UT will put 2015 up. But yeah if the complaint is about UT not doing this then it's a non-issue, they've been putting this up for years)

[Nebby]

I wish schools were required to disclose firm names. The numbers alone are misleading. For instance, I'm going to a firm with less than 100 attorneys but the pay is still big law pay. The rise in lit boutiques and patent/IP boutiques isn't accounted for just solely going based off of numbers, which is frustrating.

Unnecessary. If you want to know what type of grads go to what firm, then hit up ATL or the firm's website and look at bios.

That would be a huge time suck and it wouldn't capture everything. Think about it you silly billy.

I mean I am pessimistic enough to think that emkay just wanted to weirdly humblebrag. I honestly have no idea what about the numbers are misleading, because emkay doesn't explain what they mean by "misleading."

There are probably like 2 or 3 students max going to market paying lit boutiques from UT.