Miami vs American- (Full Ride Both) -Int vs Corp Forum

[sometime82]

I want to work for an international organization, specifically foreign affairs. I want to represent my organization, help close deals, and resolve conflicts and disputes.

American has a strong International Law program vs Miami has a relatively strong business law program

COA will only be only my living expenses.

Even though my intention is to work for an international organization I am worried I will end up practicing corporate law.


what do you guys think? the U or american ?

Other options that i did not consider:

USD, UW-Madison, Kent

[sometime82]

or RETAKE?

[Attavida]

UM has a good alumni network locally, so if you were going to start out in Florida then you'd be set.

American is ~only~ good for International Law, and even then it's kind of mehh.

UM's percentage of graduation at employment is 40.4%, mostly for jobs in its stronger areas. If you want to work Latin American foreign affairs, then it's a great option. Job market in Miami is tepid at the moment, but with political changes in Cuba I'm sure there will be more demand soon.

At American, the percent employed at graduation is 57.8%, but jobs in DC are more competitive. From what the numbers suggest, American is probably putting more students in the private sector than public.

Full disclosure: I'm deciding whether or not to go to Miami too. I considered American for undergrad and they offered me $$, but I was unimpressed by the campus and the people I met with.

[sometime82]

UM has a good alumni network locally, so if you were going to start out in Florida then you'd be set.

American is ~only~ good for International Law, and even then it's kind of mehh.

UM's percentage of graduation at employment is 40.4%, mostly for jobs in its stronger areas. If you want to work Latin American foreign affairs, then it's a great option. Job market in Miami is tepid at the moment, but with political changes in Cuba I'm sure there will be more demand soon.

At American, the percent employed at graduation is 57.8%, but jobs in DC are more competitive. From what the numbers suggest, American is probably putting more students in the private sector than public.

Full disclosure: I'm deciding whether or not to go to Miami too. I considered American for undergrad and they offered me $$, but I was unimpressed by the campus and the people I met with.

Thank you for your feedback.

I am worried about the level of legal education compared to other schools. And of course the lifestyle in DC (I never been there), The law school has recently opened a new building.

can you tell me what was wrong with the campus and the people there?

[deant286]

If you graduate from American you will not be practicing international law. Nor will you be practicing corporate law. In fact, you are far more likely to end up without a job than with either of those career outcomes.

In fact, you're more likely to end up unemployed than employed coming out of American, if you don't count school funded jobs. Don't go there.

Look:

http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/ ... jobs/2014/

[Alive97]

You have a lofty goal that may meet its demise when faced with the reality of legal employment, particularly when coming from a law school with 50% or less of its graduates employed. Many of those graduates are taking whatever job they can get. Granted, you may not expect to reach your goal right out of law school. But what is the path to getting there? What's an example of a real world in-house lawyer position at a foreign affairs NGO? Where did said lawyer go to law school? Was it Harvard, or Columbia, or maybe UVA? With regard to Miami, do you speak Spanish? What if you end up doing family law in Miami? It's a far more likely outcome out of Miami than even corporate law.

[deadpanic]

UM has a good alumni network locally, so if you were going to start out in Florida then you'd be set.

American is ~only~ good for International Law, and even then it's kind of mehh.

UM's percentage of graduation at employment is 40.4%, mostly for jobs in its stronger areas. If you want to work Latin American foreign affairs, then it's a great option. Job market in Miami is tepid at the moment, but with political changes in Cuba I'm sure there will be more demand soon.

At American, the percent employed at graduation is 57.8%, but jobs in DC are more competitive. From what the numbers suggest, American is probably putting more students in the private sector than public.

Full disclosure: I'm deciding whether or not to go to Miami too. I considered American for undergrad and they offered me $$, but I was unimpressed by the campus and the people I met with.

This is not good advice. And is from an 0L.

American is not a good choice for anything. Miami is only somewhat decent for small law. The top 5-10% may have a shot at corporate law (big law), but it's Florida: there is not really a big market for big law.

So, your answer is neither, you must retake or readjust your goals.

[Catsinthebag]

If you graduate from American you will not be practicing international law. Nor will you be practicing corporate law. In fact, you are far more likely to end up without a job than with either of those career outcomes.

In fact, you're more likely to end up unemployed than employed coming out of American, if you don't count school funded jobs. Don't go there.

Look:

http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/ ... jobs/2014/

Damn, all those attorneys practicing international law who say they went to AU must be really weird to pretend to have gone to a school from which nobody practices International law!

[pancakes3]

If you graduate from American you will not be practicing international law. Nor will you be practicing corporate law. In fact, you are far more likely to end up without a job than with either of those career outcomes.

In fact, you're more likely to end up unemployed than employed coming out of American, if you don't count school funded jobs. Don't go there.

Look:

http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/ ... jobs/2014/

Damn, all those attorneys practicing international law who say they went to AU must be really weird to pretend to have gone to a school from which nobody practices International law!

you're a fucking idiot.

[A. Nony Mouse]

If you graduate from American you will not be practicing international law. Nor will you be practicing corporate law. In fact, you are far more likely to end up without a job than with either of those career outcomes.

In fact, you're more likely to end up unemployed than employed coming out of American, if you don't count school funded jobs. Don't go there.

Look:

http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/ ... jobs/2014/

Damn, all those attorneys practicing international law who say they went to AU must be really weird to pretend to have gone to a school from which nobody practices International law!

When did these people graduate? What does "practice international law" mean in this context? How many people in their class attained these positions? What experience did they have international law (especially language ability) did they have before they went to American?

OP, do you have any experience with international law/international anything, and if so, how much and where? Do you speak other languages?

[Catsinthebag]

If you graduate from American you will not be practicing international law. Nor will you be practicing corporate law. In fact, you are far more likely to end up without a job than with either of those career outcomes.

In fact, you're more likely to end up unemployed than employed coming out of American, if you don't count school funded jobs. Don't go there.

Look:

http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/ ... jobs/2014/

Damn, all those attorneys practicing international law who say they went to AU must be really weird to pretend to have gone to a school from which nobody practices International law!

you're a fucking idiot.

To the contrary. I know what I'm talking About because I'm actually out here doing it. Glancing at your cool collection of nonsensical posts from day after day says all anyone needs to know about you. A wannabe Very Important Person who exercises faux authority he will never have by giving uninformed advice and attacking anyone who disagrees with ad hominems. Sorry, but you add no value to any discussion and unfortunately your odds aren't very good that this might change.

[pancakes3]

If you graduate from American you will not be practicing international law. Nor will you be practicing corporate law. In fact, you are far more likely to end up without a job than with either of those career outcomes.

In fact, you're more likely to end up unemployed than employed coming out of American, if you don't count school funded jobs. Don't go there.

Look:

http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/ ... jobs/2014/

Damn, all those attorneys practicing international law who say they went to AU must be really weird to pretend to have gone to a school from which nobody practices International law!

you're a fucking idiot.

To the contrary. I know what I'm talking About because I'm actually out here doing it. Glancing at your cool collection of nonsensical posts from day after day says all anyone needs to know about you. A wannabe Very Important Person who exercises faux authority he will never have by giving uninformed advice and attacking anyone who disagrees with ad hominems. Sorry, but you add no value to any discussion and unfortunately your odds aren't very good that this might change.

I very well may be a shit person with shit opinions but that doesn't change the fact that you're a mental midget who either:
a) overdosed on the AU Kool-Aid and is dumb enough to actually buy into the insane logic that the bottom half of AU's curve deserves their unemployment
b) convinced yourself that people who aren't "actually out here doing it" deserve their unemployment out of sheer survivor's guilt because deep, deep down you know that you were 2-3 MC questions away from being median pwnd yourself.

[deant286]

If you graduate from American you will not be practicing international law. Nor will you be practicing corporate law. In fact, you are far more likely to end up without a job than with either of those career outcomes.

In fact, you're more likely to end up unemployed than employed coming out of American, if you don't count school funded jobs. Don't go there.

Look:

http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/ ... jobs/2014/

Damn, all those attorneys practicing international law who say they went to AU must be really weird to pretend to have gone to a school from which nobody practices International law!

Don't lead people astray you ass hat. American's own self reported data puts your odds at finding any legal employment (excluding school funded jobs) at worse than 50%. And even people from non-shit schools, like for example in the t14, struggle finding legit "international law" jobs.

[Catsinthebag]

If you graduate from American you will not be practicing international law. Nor will you be practicing corporate law. In fact, you are far more likely to end up without a job than with either of those career outcomes.

In fact, you're more likely to end up unemployed than employed coming out of American, if you don't count school funded jobs. Don't go there.

Look:

http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/ ... jobs/2014/

Damn, all those attorneys practicing international law who say they went to AU must be really weird to pretend to have gone to a school from which nobody practices International law!

Don't lead people astray you ass hat. American's own self reported data puts your odds at finding any legal employment (excluding school funded jobs) at worse than 50%. And even people from non-shit schools, like for example in the t14, struggle finding legit "international law" jobs.

You're right. Let's listen to angry online commenters calling people names instead of looking at the real world and simply understanding what's around me.

[pancakes3]

Seriously bro. Stupid or liar. Which is it?

[Catsinthebag]

Seriously bro. Stupid or liar. Which is it?

Wow. Tempted to return fire but I know how sensitive you entitled children are these days and don't want to be responsible for any drastic measures you take because the world is against you and the man on the Internet is mean and knows things.

So you're stating (and I'm being generous in describing the above drivel as a statement) that the bottom half of the curve at AU does not deserve to be unemployed? OK then you agree with me that in large part the rankings (and those who perpetuate and cement their effects into the system as a whole which, curiously, is what you've been doing here), are BS. Caveat being that, as anywhere, there are always some folks at the bottom who just can't / won't cut it, but law is hardly the only place that exists.

And speaking of diminutive stature with respect to cognitive abilities, that's actually not what I'm saying. How can something so obvious, so natural be so foreign to you? You think passing law school and the bar = JOB!!!!!11!! No. Wrong.

What I'm saying is those of us who understand how you go about getting a job can certainly go to AU and even schools ranked much lower and do what we want to do in life. Those who don't get it, well, they become much like you.

Edit: this is re poster's above comment, not that the value of one or the other deviates away from "completely worthless" either way.

[hephaestus]

Seriously bro. Stupid or liar. Which is it?

Wow. Tempted to return fire but I know how sensitive you entitled children are these days and don't want to be responsible for any drastic measures you take because the world is against you and the man on the Internet is mean and knows things.

So you're stating (and I'm being generous in describing the above drivel as a statement) that the bottom half of the curve at AU does not deserve to be unemployed? OK then you agree with me that in large part the rankings (and those who perpetuate and cement their effects into the system as a whole which, curiously, is what you've been doing here), are BS. Caveat being that, as anywhere, there are always some folks at the bottom who just can't / won't cut it, but law is hardly the only place that exists.

And speaking of diminutive stature with respect to cognitive abilities, that's actually not what I'm saying. How can something so obvious, so natural be so foreign to you? You think passing law school and the bar = JOB!!!!!11!! No. Wrong.

What I'm saying is those of us who understand how you go about getting a job can certainly go to AU and even schools ranked much lower and do what we want to do in life. Those who don't get it, well, they become much like you.

Edit: this is re poster's above comment, not that the value of one or the other deviates away from "completely worthless" either way.

To satiate my own curiosity, what kind of organization did you work for? How did you get that job? What did you do during law school to position yourself to get such a job?

[pancakes3]

Seriously bro. Stupid or liar. Which is it?

Wow. Tempted to return fire but I know how sensitive you entitled children are these days and don't want to be responsible for any drastic measures you take because the world is against you and the man on the Internet is mean and knows things.

So you're stating (and I'm being generous in describing the above drivel as a statement) that the bottom half of the curve at AU does not deserve to be unemployed? OK then you agree with me that in large part the rankings (and those who perpetuate and cement their effects into the system as a whole which, curiously, is what you've been doing here), are BS. Caveat being that, as anywhere, there are always some folks at the bottom who just can't / won't cut it, but law is hardly the only place that exists.

And speaking of diminutive stature with respect to cognitive abilities, that's actually not what I'm saying. How can something so obvious, so natural be so foreign to you? You think passing law school and the bar = JOB!!!!!11!! No. Wrong.

What I'm saying is those of us who understand how you go about getting a job can certainly go to AU and even schools ranked much lower and do what we want to do in life. Those who don't get it, well, they become much like you.

Edit: this is re poster's above comment, not that the value of one or the other deviates away from "completely worthless" either way.

So, stupid then.

[Catsinthebag]

Seriously bro. Stupid or liar. Which is it?

Wow. Tempted to return fire but I know how sensitive you entitled children are these days and don't want to be responsible for any drastic measures you take because the world is against you and the man on the Internet is mean and knows things.

So you're stating (and I'm being generous in describing the above drivel as a statement) that the bottom half of the curve at AU does not deserve to be unemployed? OK then you agree with me that in large part the rankings (and those who perpetuate and cement their effects into the system as a whole which, curiously, is what you've been doing here), are BS. Caveat being that, as anywhere, there are always some folks at the bottom who just can't / won't cut it, but law is hardly the only place that exists.

And speaking of diminutive stature with respect to cognitive abilities, that's actually not what I'm saying. How can something so obvious, so natural be so foreign to you? You think passing law school and the bar = JOB!!!!!11!! No. Wrong.

What I'm saying is those of us who understand how you go about getting a job can certainly go to AU and even schools ranked much lower and do what we want to do in life. Those who don't get it, well, they become much like you.

Edit: this is re poster's above comment, not that the value of one or the other deviates away from "completely worthless" either way.

So, stupid then.

Basic translation of the entrirety of Pancakes comments thus far.
"I failed to get a job because I'm either too incompetent or lazy to do good legal work or In real life I'm a fraction of the maladjusted job-demanding child I am on TLS. So, don't go to American!"

If you put half as much energy into an internship as you do commenting on here, you might catch an employer on his or her off day and accidentally get yourself a job!

[A. Nony Mouse]

Dude, don't make up stuff about users' employment to insult them. I'm also pretty sure you're wrong.

And you haven't explained why you think 50% of Americans' students just "don't get" how to get jobs. And if that's really the case, wouldn't it have been a good thing for someone to dissuade them for shelling out the money for an AU degree for no reason?

[Catsinthebag]

Dude, don't make up stuff about users' employment to insult them. I'm also pretty sure you're wrong.

And you haven't explained why you think 50% of Americans' students just "don't get" how to get jobs. And if that's really the case, wouldn't it have been a good thing for someone to dissuade them for shelling out the money for an AU degree for no reason?

Just picking up what he's putting down. I'm starting to wonder whether you're purposely misunderstanding/misinterpreting just to troll me, though.

[pancakes3]

Seriously bro. Stupid or liar. Which is it?

Wow. Tempted to return fire but I know how sensitive you entitled children are these days and don't want to be responsible for any drastic measures you take because the world is against you and the man on the Internet is mean and knows things.

So you're stating (and I'm being generous in describing the above drivel as a statement) that the bottom half of the curve at AU does not deserve to be unemployed? OK then you agree with me that in large part the rankings (and those who perpetuate and cement their effects into the system as a whole which, curiously, is what you've been doing here), are BS. Caveat being that, as anywhere, there are always some folks at the bottom who just can't / won't cut it, but law is hardly the only place that exists.

And speaking of diminutive stature with respect to cognitive abilities, that's actually not what I'm saying. How can something so obvious, so natural be so foreign to you? You think passing law school and the bar = JOB!!!!!11!! No. Wrong.

What I'm saying is those of us who understand how you go about getting a job can certainly go to AU and even schools ranked much lower and do what we want to do in life. Those who don't get it, well, they become much like you.

Edit: this is re poster's above comment, not that the value of one or the other deviates away from "completely worthless" either way.

So, stupid then.

Basic translation of the entrirety of Pancakes comments thus far.
"I failed to get a job because I'm either too incompetent or lazy to do good legal work or In real life I'm a fraction of the maladjusted job-demanding child I am on TLS. So, don't go to American!"

If you put half as much energy into an internship as you do commenting on here, you might catch an employer on his or her off day and accidentally get yourself a job!

Well, my employment prospects aren't on trial here. AU's are.

Real talk though, you've taken an oddly hostile position in these AU threads because to me... it sounds like you're saying:

"Hey, if you don't get a job out of AU, it's your fault for attending AU in the first place, you "maladjusted job-demanding [man]child."

yet also saying

"Hey, what's going on over here? Pancakes... wtf man? Why are you telling all these maladjusted job-demanding [man]children to not attend my school?"

edit:
Um... Catsbro, if you want to play the "cold read from internet posts" game, we can play.

My guess is that you struck out at OCI but deluded yourself in thinking that you didn't want BL anyway. You finished 1L probably top third but with the ~100 or so of your section-mates transferring out you're knocking on the door of top 15%. Your grades def aren't good enough for A3 clerking but luckily you did manage to back your way into a non-summer bigfed internship. Maybe you even parlayed that into a summer position but I sincerely doubt you were able to cop SLIP. Probably not even unpaid DOJ. Probably EPA or some obscure DoE/T/Ed dept. Maybe the Hill, which would be hilarious, but also make a lot of sense. Also, I'm guessing your LRW grade was a B+ at best because if you had any grasp of how basic legal writing is, you'd know how absurd the notion that your intern work product could in any way (even as joke) translate to an offer.

[A. Nony Mouse]

Fuck, I wrote a big long response and then my phone ate it.

Catsinthebag, I'm not trolling you. I just very much dislike people giving the impression that employment is entirely under the given applicant's control (and that those who suggest otherwise are bitter losers who can't get jobs). When confronted with "only 55% of AU has long term bar-passage-required jobs," saying that "people who know how to get jobs will get jobs" isn't helpful. The OP doesn't appear to know much about any of these schools and needs to make an informed choice, which involves knowing the statistics about these schools and how they compare to other schools out there.

I get that showing up and seeing people trash your school is annoying. (People have trashed mine too.) If you're good with the employment stats and the cost, that's great. If the OP is good with the employment stats and cost, that's great. It's not crazy not to be good with those stats and cost, though, or to think that others shouldn't be okay with them, either.

[Catsinthebag]

Seriously bro. Stupid or liar. Which is it?

Wow. Tempted to return fire but I know how sensitive you entitled children are these days and don't want to be responsible for any drastic measures you take because the world is against you and the man on the Internet is mean and knows things.

So you're stating (and I'm being generous in describing the above drivel as a statement) that the bottom half of the curve at AU does not deserve to be unemployed? OK then you agree with me that in large part the rankings (and those who perpetuate and cement their effects into the system as a whole which, curiously, is what you've been doing here), are BS. Caveat being that, as anywhere, there are always some folks at the bottom who just can't / won't cut it, but law is hardly the only place that exists.

And speaking of diminutive stature with respect to cognitive abilities, that's actually not what I'm saying. How can something so obvious, so natural be so foreign to you? You think passing law school and the bar = JOB!!!!!11!! No. Wrong.

What I'm saying is those of us who understand how you go about getting a job can certainly go to AU and even schools ranked much lower and do what we want to do in life. Those who don't get it, well, they become much like you.

Edit: this is re poster's above comment, not that the value of one or the other deviates away from "completely worthless" either way.

So, stupid then.

Basic translation of the entrirety of Pancakes comments thus far.
"I failed to get a job because I'm either too incompetent or lazy to do good legal work or In real life I'm a fraction of the maladjusted job-demanding child I am on TLS. So, don't go to American!"

If you put half as much energy into an internship as you do commenting on here, you might catch an employer on his or her off day and accidentally get yourself a job!

Well, my employment prospects aren't on trial here. AU's are.

Real talk though, you've taken an oddly hostile position in these AU threads because to me... it sounds like you're saying:

"Hey, if you don't get a job out of AU, it's your fault for attending AU in the first place, you "maladjusted job-demanding [man]child."

yet also saying

"Hey, what's going on over here? Pancakes... wtf man? Why are you telling all these maladjusted job-demanding [man]children to not attend my school?"

edit:
Um... Catsbro, if you want to play the "cold read from internet posts" game, we can play.

My guess is that you struck out at OCI but deluded yourself in thinking that you didn't want BL anyway. You finished 1L probably top third but with the ~100 or so of your section-mates transferring out you're knocking on the door of top 15%. Your grades def aren't good enough for A3 clerking but luckily you did manage to back your way into a non-summer bigfed internship. Maybe you even parlayed that into a summer position but I sincerely doubt you were able to cop SLIP. Probably not even unpaid DOJ. Probably EPA or some obscure DoE/T/Ed dept. Maybe the Hill, which would be hilarious, but also make a lot of sense. Also, I'm guessing your LRW grade was a B+ at best because if you had any grasp of how basic legal writing is, you'd know how absurd the notion that your intern work product could in any way (even as joke) translate to an offer.

You might have a promising future as a $2.99 a minute phone psychics man! Couldn't have picked a more generic dc law student who is not at big law profile. I'll give you this much: not DOJ. You gotta knock the one off that ranking, pre-transfer of classmates, though. And (I guess in addition to the writing) you need to work on reading comprehension. Or your logic. Or both. Why did you take what I said (one thing you should be able to do during an internship in school is walk out with solid writing sample) and make the jump to what you either ignorantly or purposely claimed I said (writing sample = offer)?

[pancakes3]

I don't see how in making a blanket assertion/generalization can demonstrate a lack of reading comprehension.