T2 or T14 to HYS Forum

[zhenders]

OP, go do more homework. It's clear you don't know nearly enough about getting a job in biglaw. If you care about prestige, fine. If you care about Biglaw placement, fine. If you don't, fine too. But this whole thread is asinine. Read more for now; post less (until after you've read more).

[mm89]

We don't know some stuff about OP. More specifically:

1. I think OP is URM
2. We have no idea of OP's LSAT/GPA situation. Any school choice/retake discussion should incorporate this information too.

Can you add some more info, OP?

Also, OP, how did you get into Georgetown so fast?

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 9#p9187329

Hahaha I haven't! Different school I'm talking about.

1. Yes, I am URM. AA
2. I have taken the LSAT 3 times, so I am all out of tries, therefore I don't plan on waiting for another cycle. I'm trying to decide between T2 & T14. I have transferring to the T6 in mind but with the unpredictable nature of the curve, it could just as easily not happen. I've heard people say go to T14 because the selection at OCI is the relatively the same across the T14. Others say T2 because of the money.

[mm89]

OP, go do more homework. It's clear you don't know nearly enough about getting a job in biglaw. If you care about prestige, fine. If you care about Biglaw placement, fine. If you don't, fine too. But this whole thread is asinine. Read more for now; post less (until after you've read more).

I agree, this thread has gotten a bit out of control. But I thought the entire point of this forum is to ask questions and gain insight from others who may know better or have gone through it themselves. That is why I simply asked what people thought about school selection, knowing my goal of BigLaw. I don't see how that translates to me caring or not caring about prestige. Not sure how that came up.

[Clearly]

Since this is a choosing thread, what are your numbers?

[Clearly]

Also don't go to a school you wouldn't want to graduate median from. I know you think it's an effort or intelligence thing, but after 1L you'll get exactly why we say this. It is truly an absolute clusterfuck. I got my worst grade in the class I knew best of all, and my best grades in classes I almost never went to. To think you have any say in your ability to predict your grades is foolish. Additionally your assumption that it's easier to get good grades at lower schools is likewise incorrect. Here's my theory. At mid t14 we all know we're gonna get jobs regardless of any given grade. People are genius level smart, but when almost everyone wins lots of people see through the pressure and relax. I've seen people in class drunk, stoned, hungover, didn't buy the casebook etc. They'll still whoop your ass cuz they're brilliant. At lower schools EVERYONE is competing for jobs, there's not enough to go around and fuck if anyone will give you a leg up, keeping in mind these kids aren't dumb either. Two different battles of prob the same difficulty.

But really, numbers? I know you think tls is just a snarky shitfest, but they know what they're doing. Give them your goal and they will tell you the best way to achieve it. We only run into problems when people don't want the best way, they want their failed idea to work. So seriously, let them help you.

[mm89]

Also don't go to a school you wouldn't want to graduate median from. I know you think it's an effort or intelligence thing, but after 1L you'll get exactly why we say this. It is truly an absolute clusterfuck. I got my worst grade in the class I knew best of all, and my best grades in classes I almost never went to. To think you have any say in your ability to predict your grades is foolish. Additionally your assumption that it's easier to get good grades at lower schools is likewise incorrect. Here's my theory. At mid t14 we all know we're gonna get jobs regardless of any given grade. People are genius level smart, but when almost everyone wins lots of people see through the pressure and relax. I've seen people in class drunk, stoned, hungover, didn't buy the casebook etc. They'll still whoop your ass cuz they're brilliant. At lower schools EVERYONE is competing for jobs, there's not enough to go around and fuck if anyone will give you a leg up, keeping in mind these kids aren't dumb either. Two different battles of prob the same difficulty.

But really, numbers? I know you think tls is just a snarky shitfest, but they know what they're doing. Give them your goal and they will tell you the best way to achieve it. We only run into problems when people don't want the best way, they want their failed idea to work. So seriously, let them help you.

Maybe I have made this unclear so let me try again. I got into a T2 & a T14. I want to study BigLaw in NY or Chicago. If I were to transfer to T6, which route would help me to achieve this the best? I know 1L grades are unpredictable, and I am by no means going to law school just to transfer up. I know that could ultimately never happen. And I am definitely not going to determine which school I choose based solely on the likelihood that I can transfer to T6. I have already taken the LSAT 3 times so waiting for another cycle is out of the question.All I want to know is which school could possibly get me in the best position possible for BigLaw in NY or Chicago.

I honestly don't think bad about tls and I don't understand how it can across this way. I genuinely care about what others on here say and their opinions, which is why I posted here. I feel like others go caught up in their own opinions and that got trickled down to me. I'm just looking for some advice, that's all.

[stego]

Maybe I have made this unclear so let me try again. I got into a T2 & a T14. I want to study BigLaw in NY or Chicago. If I were to transfer to T6, which route would help me to achieve this the best? I know 1L grades are unpredictable, and I am by no means going to law school just to transfer up. I know that could ultimately never happen. And I am definitely not going to determine which school I choose based solely on the likelihood that I can transfer to T6. I have already taken the LSAT 3 times so waiting for another cycle is out of the question.All I want to know is which school could possibly get me in the best position possible for BigLaw in NY or Chicago.

I honestly don't think bad about tls and I don't understand how it can across this way. I genuinely care about what others on here say and their opinions, which is why I posted here. I feel like others go caught up in their own opinions and that got trickled down to me. I'm just looking for some advice, that's all.

It is obviously easier to transfer from a T14. But if you attended a T14 and your goal was biglaw you probably shouldn't transfer to a T6 because if your grades are good enough to transfer from a T14 then they're also good enough to get biglaw if you stay where you are.

In order to receive the best feedback in this forum, please provide as much of the following information in your original post as possible:

-The schools you are considering
-The total Cost of Attendance (COA) of each. COA = cost of tuition + fees + books + cost of living (COL) + accumulated interest - scholarships. Here is a helpful calculator.
-How you will be financing your COA, i.e. loans, family, or savings
-Where you are from and where you want to work, and other places where you have significant ties (if any)
-Your general career goals
-Your LSAT/GPA numbers
-How many times you have taken the LSAT

[Clearly]

Yeah your whole need HYS to get biglaw thing is really misguided. ESPECIALLY in nyc. Most T14s put the vast majority of their students into biglaw, and NYC is the biggest market. After factoring self-selection and really stupid bidding in, there are many schools I think give you a damn near guaranteed chance of NYC biglaw if you're not a social outcast at OCI.

[Clearly]

I honestly don't think bad about tls and I don't understand how it can across this way.

Maybe I have made this unclear so let me try again..

If you want biglaw your only chance is T14. Forget about transferring, its off the table. It's not part of this decision. It's a decision 1/10 people you meet in law school might make after 2 semesters, but its not yours and its not now. So then the question is if you want biglaw don't go to a school that doesn't get biglaw. That includes anything outside the T13 and frankly some of the schools within that range. If you tell us more information we will be better able to help you, otherwise, idk what you want from us, because both of your options sound bad unless you tell us what T14 you have.

[lavarman84]

Maybe I have made this unclear so let me try again. I got into a T2 & a T14. I want to study BigLaw in NY or Chicago. If I were to transfer to T6, which route would help me to achieve this the best? I know 1L grades are unpredictable, and I am by no means going to law school just to transfer up. I know that could ultimately never happen. And I am definitely not going to determine which school I choose based solely on the likelihood that I can transfer to T6. I have already taken the LSAT 3 times so waiting for another cycle is out of the question.All I want to know is which school could possibly get me in the best position possible for BigLaw in NY or Chicago.

I honestly don't think bad about tls and I don't understand how it can across this way. I genuinely care about what others on here say and their opinions, which is why I posted here. I feel like others go caught up in their own opinions and that got trickled down to me. I'm just looking for some advice, that's all.

Can you give us any specifics on the schools, the debt you'd be taking on at each, your goals, etc.?

Without specifics, the easy answer is that the t14 school will give you a far better chance at biglaw than the TT school. But without more specifics, none of us can give you much advice.

As for transferring, others have already covered that. The odds that you get the grades needed to transfer are very low. At a TT school, you'll need to be #1 or very very close to #1 to have a shot at Harvard. Transferring shouldn't be in your mind until after you get your 1L grades.

Why do you want to do biglaw in NY or Chicago?

[fliptrip]

Hahaha I haven't! Different school I'm talking about.

1. Yes, I am URM. AA
2. I have taken the LSAT 3 times, so I am all out of tries, therefore I don't plan on waiting for another cycle. I'm trying to decide between T2 & T14. I have transferring to the T6 in mind but with the unpredictable nature of the curve, it could just as easily not happen. I've heard people say go to T14 because the selection at OCI is the relatively the same across the T14. Others say T2 because of the money.

Alright, clearly for some reason you are reluctant to share your stats with folks in this thread. However, I promise you that neither I nor anyone else really cares what those numbers are and we definitely are not judging you. I'd say 95% of TLS posters who post in these kinds of threads are doing so out of a genuine desire to help people. Really, spend enough time around here and you're likely to see just about every permutation of GPA/LSAT there is.

This is so important because your reasoning is plagued by a false dichotomy. Unless a cell of disaffected Russian terrorists who were trained by the KGB has promised to kill you if you don't enroll somewhere this fall, you absolutely do not have to go to law school. Depending on when you took your first LSAT in your three test sequence, the time you have to sit out may not be long at all.

All of that being said, if you have a Cornell acceptance with at least a 50% discount, that is a really good bet to get BigLaw in NYC.

[Alive97]

OP is saying his stats are other info is moot because he's going this fall and has 2 options, his critics (I mean edgy helpers) are saying the transfer question is moot because it should not be ANY part of the decision.

OP I think the question is moot because it would be financially unwise to incorporate it into your decision. If you want to follow the dream of biglaw regardless of anything else, you should go to the T14. If you go to the T2, consider biglaw off the table.

[fliptrip]

OP is saying his stats are other info is moot because he's going this fall and has 2 options, his critics (I mean edgy helpers) are saying the transfer question is moot because it should not be ANY part of the decision.

OP I think the question is moot because it would be financially unwise to incorporate it into your decision. If you want to follow the dream of biglaw regardless of anything else, you should go to the T14. If you go to the T2, consider biglaw off the table.

So OP should take Michigan at sticker, outcomes and risks be damned?

[Auxilio]

If the school that you for some unreasonable reason will not name is Cornell (guessing just based on low T14 and not-GULC) I think it is defensible for your goals since I think you have to try and not get biglaw as an AA at Cornell.

If it is something else, than I would just side with all the people questioning your dichotomy etc.

[BigZuck]

No worries. You should also think about transferring to Columbia or NYU, and both of these are definitely realistic goals. Plus, they both have better BigLaw hiring and NY placement than Harvard.

Impressed this post slipped through the cracks.

OP- Don't go to a school with a plan to transfer, 1L grades are far too unpredictable for that.