Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3, Tier 4, is there a list for each ? Forum
- jrwhitedog

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Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3, Tier 4, is there a list for each ?
How do I know what tier each law school belong to?
- Mrs Featherbottom

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Re: Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3, Tier 4, is there a list for each ?
My understanding is:
Tier 1: 1-50
Tier 2: 51-100
Tier 3: 101-150
Tier 4: Everything else
Tier 1: 1-50
Tier 2: 51-100
Tier 3: 101-150
Tier 4: Everything else
- jrwhitedog

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Re: Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3, Tier 4, is there a list for each ?
Thanks, I assume the ranking is based on USNEWS & World Report ?Mrs Featherbottom wrote:My understanding is:
Tier 1: 1-50
Tier 2: 51-100
Tier 3: 101-150
Tier 4: Everything else
- Mrs Featherbottom

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Re: Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3, Tier 4, is there a list for each ?
Affirmative. Although most people on TLS will tell you that tiers are a pretty arbitrary distinction to make decisions on where to apply or attend. For example, you shouldn't attend the school ranked #45 over the #55 school because one's a first tier and one's a second tier.
In fact, outside of the top 20 or so schools, you could argue that geographic location is a much more important factor than where in the rankings/tiers a school falls, but that's kind of oversimplifying things.
In fact, outside of the top 20 or so schools, you could argue that geographic location is a much more important factor than where in the rankings/tiers a school falls, but that's kind of oversimplifying things.
- trebekismyhero

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Re: Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3, Tier 4, is there a list for each ?
Someone posted on here a couple months ago the best breakdown of schools that I have seen, but can't find it.
Basically there are 13-16 schools that give you a very good chance of a good outcome (Big Law, FedClerk, BigFed, etc.) and almost certainly a job as a lawyer. Your T-14
Then the next tier are schools that have some chance of BigLaw, etc. And a good chance of landing a job as a lawyer. Your T1, 40-50 schools.
Then there are schools that give you a small chance at the prestigious jobs and 50-50 shot of becoming a lawyer. Those are like the next 100 schools.
Then the T4 dumpsters that have no chance at prestigious jobs and like 1/3 chance of becoming a lawyer.
After the t14 focus on geography and job numbers. Those are the most important things not US News Rankings
Basically there are 13-16 schools that give you a very good chance of a good outcome (Big Law, FedClerk, BigFed, etc.) and almost certainly a job as a lawyer. Your T-14
Then the next tier are schools that have some chance of BigLaw, etc. And a good chance of landing a job as a lawyer. Your T1, 40-50 schools.
Then there are schools that give you a small chance at the prestigious jobs and 50-50 shot of becoming a lawyer. Those are like the next 100 schools.
Then the T4 dumpsters that have no chance at prestigious jobs and like 1/3 chance of becoming a lawyer.
After the t14 focus on geography and job numbers. Those are the most important things not US News Rankings
- jrwhitedog

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Re: Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3, Tier 4, is there a list for each ?
Thanks, does law specialty matter ? Cause I heard patent lawyers usually do better than their peers. Schools like U of Houston(59th) and Santa Clara(94th)(both ranked top 6 in IP) seem to have a higher percentage of graduates who got 160k jobs in biglaw IP firms.trebekismyhero wrote:Someone posted on here a couple months ago the best breakdown of schools that I have seen, but can't find it.
Basically there are 13-16 schools that give you a very good chance of a good outcome (Big Law, FedClerk, BigFed, etc.) and almost certainly a job as a lawyer. Your T-14
Then the next tier are schools that have some chance of BigLaw, etc. And a good chance of landing a job as a lawyer. Your T1, 40-50 schools.
Then there are schools that give you a small chance at the prestigious jobs and 50-50 shot of becoming a lawyer. Those are like the next 100 schools.
Then the T4 dumpsters that have no chance at prestigious jobs and like 1/3 chance of becoming a lawyer.
After the t14 focus on geography and job numbers. Those are the most important things not US News Rankings
http://tippingthescales.com/2014/03/the ... ghest-pay/
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sjp200

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Re: Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3, Tier 4, is there a list for each ?
Your understanding is incorrect:Mrs Featherbottom wrote:My understanding is:
Tier 1: 1-50
Tier 2: 51-100
Tier 3: 101-150
Tier 4: Everything else
Tier 1: T-14
Tier 2: 15-50
Tier 3 (Third tier Toilet) 51-100
Tier 4: 100+, SERIOUSLY don't consider going at all or retaking the LSAT
IP is hard to throw in with the rest of biglaw because people who graduate in IP are a rare commodity that are very much in a sink or swim environment as far as salary goes. Even if you wish to do IP, I recommend sticking to tier 1 or the top of tier 2 so that you have your options in other areas as well.jrwhitedog wrote:Thanks, does law specialty matter ? Cause I heard patent lawyers usually do better than their peers. Schools like U of Houston(59th) and Santa Clara(94th)(both ranked top 6 in IP) seem to have a higher percentage of graduates who got 160k jobs in biglaw IP firms.trebekismyhero wrote:Someone posted on here a couple months ago the best breakdown of schools that I have seen, but can't find it.
Basically there are 13-16 schools that give you a very good chance of a good outcome (Big Law, FedClerk, BigFed, etc.) and almost certainly a job as a lawyer. Your T-14
Then the next tier are schools that have some chance of BigLaw, etc. And a good chance of landing a job as a lawyer. Your T1, 40-50 schools.
Then there are schools that give you a small chance at the prestigious jobs and 50-50 shot of becoming a lawyer. Those are like the next 100 schools.
Then the T4 dumpsters that have no chance at prestigious jobs and like 1/3 chance of becoming a lawyer.
After the t14 focus on geography and job numbers. Those are the most important things not US News Rankings
http://tippingthescales.com/2014/03/the ... ghest-pay/
Last edited by sjp200 on Wed Feb 10, 2016 1:37 am, edited 1 time in total.
- trebekismyhero

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Re: Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3, Tier 4, is there a list for each ?
No, specialty law does not matter.jrwhitedog wrote:Thanks, does law specialty matter ? Cause I heard patent lawyers usually do better than their peers. Schools like U of Houston(59th) and Santa Clara(94th)(both ranked top 6 in IP) seem to have a higher percentage of graduates who got 160k jobs in biglaw IP firms.trebekismyhero wrote:Someone posted on here a couple months ago the best breakdown of schools that I have seen, but can't find it.
Basically there are 13-16 schools that give you a very good chance of a good outcome (Big Law, FedClerk, BigFed, etc.) and almost certainly a job as a lawyer. Your T-14
Then the next tier are schools that have some chance of BigLaw, etc. And a good chance of landing a job as a lawyer. Your T1, 40-50 schools.
Then there are schools that give you a small chance at the prestigious jobs and 50-50 shot of becoming a lawyer. Those are like the next 100 schools.
Then the T4 dumpsters that have no chance at prestigious jobs and like 1/3 chance of becoming a lawyer.
After the t14 focus on geography and job numbers. Those are the most important things not US News Rankings
http://tippingthescales.com/2014/03/the ... ghest-pay/
- magnum_law

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Re: Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3, Tier 4, is there a list for each ?
Nah, you're incorrect.sjp200 wrote:
Your understanding is incorrect:
Tier 1: T-14
Tier 2: 15-50
Tier 3 (Third tier Toilet) 51-100
Tier 4: 100+, SERIOUSLY don't consider going at all or retaking the LSAT
Really it's
Tier 1: t14 (elite distinction) + 15-50
Tier 2: 51-100
TTT: 101-150
TTTT: everything else
eta : typo
Last edited by magnum_law on Wed Feb 10, 2016 2:20 am, edited 1 time in total.
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sjp200

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Re: Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3, Tier 4, is there a list for each ?
I don't think you can lump T14 and 15-50 ALL in the same category. T14-20ish maybe, maybe even 25 or 30 if we're being generous, but definitely not all the way down to 50. The drop off in employment numbers warrants a break, may as well make it where the distinction is seen as far as the aspirations of the people on this particular medium are concerned.magnum_law wrote:Nah, you're incorrect.sjp200 wrote:
Your understanding is incorrect:
Tier 1: T-14
Tier 2: 15-50
Tier 3 (Third tier Toilet) 51-100
Tier 4: 100+, SERIOUSLY don't consider going at all or retaking the LSAT
Really it's
Tier 1: t14 (elite distinction) + 15-50
Tier 2: 51-100
TTT: 101-150
TTT: everything else
- Clearly

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Re: Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3, Tier 4, is there a list for each ?
It isn't up to you. tls didn't invent these tiers, they are described as such by usnwr. 1-50 is tier one. Its not a community thing. There's a right answer and that's what it is.sjp200 wrote:I don't think you can lump T14 and 15-50 ALL in the same category. T14-20ish maybe, maybe even 25 or 30 if we're being generous, but definitely not all the way down to 50. The drop off in employment numbers warrants a break, may as well make it where the distinction is seen as far as the aspirations of the people on this particular medium are concerned.magnum_law wrote:Nah, you're incorrect.sjp200 wrote:
Your understanding is incorrect:
Tier 1: T-14
Tier 2: 15-50
Tier 3 (Third tier Toilet) 51-100
Tier 4: 100+, SERIOUSLY don't consider going at all or retaking the LSAT
Really it's
Tier 1: t14 (elite distinction) + 15-50
Tier 2: 51-100
TTT: 101-150
TTT: everything else
- stego

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Re: Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3, Tier 4, is there a list for each ?
Are the differences in outcomes between, say, 20 and 50 really all that big? I didn't think they were.
- trebekismyhero

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Re: Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3, Tier 4, is there a list for each ?
Not to the point that you should choose between them based on ranking. Employment numbers and location should be the main determination after you get outside the t14stego wrote:Are the differences in outcomes between, say, 20 and 50 really all that big? I didn't think they were.
- mornincounselor

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Re: Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3, Tier 4, is there a list for each ?
For Big Law:
HYS
Chi-Cor (and M)
GULC, T, UCLA, USC, V
BU, BC, F, GWU
ND, WUSTL, Emory, UIUC (Howard?)
Others
(Blanket tiers are silly.)
HYS
Chi-Cor (and M)
GULC, T, UCLA, USC, V
BU, BC, F, GWU
ND, WUSTL, Emory, UIUC (Howard?)
Others
(Blanket tiers are silly.)
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californiauser

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Re: Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3, Tier 4, is there a list for each ?
Irrelevant. It's T-14 and the rest, i.e. the regional/local schools.