Going to T2-- someone help my girl. Forum

[Split90]

She's been accepted to Chicago T2 (Loyola/IIT/DePaul) with very minimum scholly $10K a year. Her GPA was okay. She had a bad LSAT and applied very very late.

Her plan is to transfer after a year, but, of course, that's not guaranteed.

I tried to tell her that's a gamble she's putting with her own life. But she's pretty set that she wants to do this.
The thing is her one of close friends went to TT last year and made a transfer to H/Y. She's kind of convincing me in believing this plan could actually work.... oh my.

Please. Wise TLSers, tell me what I should tell her. I partly believe if she really works hard, she may pull this plan, which is why I am having a hard time giving her a more objective advice.

[Hornet2011]

Well first of all I think it is worth recognizing for your own sanity that she is going to do what she wants in the end and we are now very late in the game before school starts so there may be very little you can do now as her mind sounds made up. If she is still receptive though to your advice, here are some talking points that may gain traction:

(1) you are not your friend. It's that simple. I have a friend who got a degree in aviation from a bad state school and then somehow got a job at IBM, and somehow got promoted a handful of times in a couple of years and now makes 150k+ at 28 or so. Does this mean I would recommend to anybody that if they want to break 150k a year before 30 they do what my friend did? Of course not. This girl who went to a TT and is now at H/Y or any T14 is an ananolgy and a very rare one at that. It's like taking out a loan for 200k and putting it all on the green space on the roulette table. Only major differences are the roulette table has a higher chance of paying out and your daughter still has to pay back an insane amount of debt if she wins or loses.

(2) if you can get this point across to your daughter point out what the real options are. If she really wants to be a lawyer and has a "so-so" GPA which I will interpret as 3.0 a T14 is a long shot. However with a 164-5 LSAT (very obtainable) she likely have T25 options and if nothing else will have a considerable scholarship elsewhere. Even if she gets a 160 she will have better scholarship options at the TT. Show her MYLSN.com and what she can expect with a little effort.

Hope this helps!

[ihenry]

I can almost picture how her "one close friend" secretly worked her ass off and then pretend she coasted to H/Y. Really, the "my friend/my classmate/my neighbor/my colleague" series sucks.

[rwhyAn]

Ask her how she likes to be in $150k of debt plus interest, and how she will pay it off making a salary of $40-50k. This may mean that she might never own a home or never be able to afford kids.

[Giddy-Up]

I went to Chicago Kent on a full scholarship, graduated 2nd in my class have a great job and no debt.

[TheSpanishMain]

I went to Chicago Kent on a full scholarship, graduated 2nd in my class have a great job and no debt.

That's great. Congratulations (not sarcastic). You obviously can't bank on being 2nd in your class, though. It paid off for you, but that doesn't mean it's an objectively good idea.

[Traynor Brah]

I went to Chicago Kent on a full scholarship, graduated 2nd in my class have a great job and no debt.

TFT

[Cogburn87]

Dump and move on

[Split90]

She also tells me she might try law school for just a semester. If all goes bad, she'll retake the LSAT again and apply next year's cycle.

Is this plan....even possible?

And on dumping her... I can't. She's my d.

[john1990]

You can apply as an incoming student until you have 30 credits so she could dropout and reapply as a 1L, but she will have to provide a transcript from the original school

[fisheatbananas]

is she on tls? when i was applying, just looking through tls posts influenced my decision a lot. im a 0L so i dont know the outcome yet, but looking at tls made me realize the effects of going to lower ranked schools and aim higher than i might have otherwise (of course in an alternate world i might have gotten that realization from another source even without ever discovering tls...) i didnt post anything specific or ask for help in making a decision since there were previous posts by users asking things like "i got accepted to school A, B, and C --help me decide" etc. so maybe introduce her tls and its wisdom...

[hairbear7]

It is much much easier and cheaper to retake the LSAT to get into a better school than it is to crush 1L and transfer up.

[hairbear7]

What exactly are her numbers? Did she only take the LSAT once? Did she just graduate college? What are her career goals?

[Giddy-Up]

The TLS wisdom is good in most cases. I was/am older with a family when I started law school after a career change. I needed a school I could go to at night while working full time. I didn't want any debt either. I made a deal with my wife that I would drop out if I was not in the top 5% by the end of the 1L and continue on in my previous career. The way I looked at it, the max I would lose was the nights that I spent in class.

[fisheatbananas]

also, not sure what her situation is but if she doesnt have work experience or work experience in the legal field, she could find work this year while reapplying and taking the LSAT. it might help with admissions and a legal related job would confirm (or not) her interest in law

[stego]

She also tells me she might try law school for just a semester. If all goes bad, she'll retake the LSAT again and apply next year's cycle.

Is this plan....even possible?

And on dumping her... I can't. She's my d.

So OP, judging by your post history, you and your daughter are both going to law school? Is that right?

Where are you going to law school, OP?

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 8#p8768638

[Split90]

No I'm not going to LS. I wrote on behalf of my D.

[trey ohh five]

Ask her how she likes to be in $150k of debt plus interest, and how she will pay it off making a salary of $40-50k. This may mean that she might never own a home or never be able to afford kids.

Not entirely true. Work a gov/PI job for 10 years and your debt and it is forgiven.

[BigZuck]

I went to Chicago Kent on a full scholarship, graduated 2nd in my class have a great job and no debt.

TFT

I took the full ride at a school ranked around 60 over some lower T14s. I graduated 2nd in my class and have a good job. Mainly I am happy, but I feel like some doors are forever closed for me. The stain of a lower ranked school follows you around. There are certain jobs I can't compete for simply based on where I went to law school.

Things worked out well for me, but I was lucky. Top 5% after 1st year and top 1% at graduation. I took the full ride over better schools and graduated debt free. I work for the Feds right now, pretty interesting job. My plan was to drop out at the end of 1L if I was not top 10% at the end of 1L, hopefully I would have had the guts to go through with it. I think you get a solid education from Kent. I have never felt outclassed by my peers from far better schools, but that doesn't really matter too much. I will always have to fight a bit harder to prove myself than if I had picked a T14 school.

I was in your same position several years back - Full Tuition at GW v. Full Ride at Chicago T2. I took the full ride and went at night working during the day. It worked well for me, I graduated at the very top of my class with absolutely no debt and have a job I enjoy. However, things were markedly different when I applied, I wish those days would come back! Even though it worked well for me, I would caution you against taking this risk. If I had it all to do over again, I would have retaken. If I had applied myself for the LSAT, like I did for law school, I am confident that I could have scored in the 170s, instead of my 169. Even now, there is stigma associated with my degree. Many employers will look at you if you are high enough up at a T2, but a large number of jobs are simply out of reach. It sucks, but it is the reality of the situation.

Also:

No I'm not going to LS. I wrote on behalf of my D.

Don't call it that

[Split90]

I was in your same position several years back - Full Tuition at GW v. Full Ride at Chicago T2. I took the full ride and went at night working during the day. It worked well for me, I graduated at the very top of my class with absolutely no debt and have a job I enjoy. However, things were markedly different when I applied, I wish those days would come back! Even though it worked well for me, I would caution you against taking this risk. If I had it all to do over again, I would have retaken. If I had applied myself for the LSAT, like I did for law school, I am confident that I could have scored in the 170s, instead of my 169. Even now, there is stigma associated with my degree. Many employers will look at you if you are high enough up at a T2, but a large number of jobs are simply out of reach. It sucks, but it is the reality of the situation.

Also:

No I'm not going to LS. I wrote on behalf of my D.

Don't call it that[/quote]


?? What do you mean?

To Giddy up- if you had transferred, do you think your job options might have been less limited?

[BigZuck]

Your D

[Split90]

She has been studying for LSAT for the past whole year. Not rigorously. I don't exactly know her number and she tells me it's low. <160??
Her gpa is higher than the school's 75%.

I think she wants to go, because she is not confident she will do well on LSAT.

[Split90]

Your D

??

[Hornet2011]

I highly doubt this poster is real after seeing her refer to her daughter as her "d" and a scholarship as a "scholly"...

[stego]

I highly doubt this poster is real after seeing her refer to her daughter as her "d" and a scholarship as a "scholly"...

No, there was some other poster who referred to their daughter the same way, like a couple months ago I think. Could be flame still, but maybe not. OP has been on TLS for almost 2 years.

Your D

??

People are saying don't abbreviate "daughter" that way.