T-14 vs. ND, BC, GW Forum

Mullens · Post by **Mullens** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 4:07 pm

hbartlett wrote:After looking through this forum, it seems that many posters have a "T-14 or bust" mentality, which I can definitely understand given the unparalleled employment statistics that these schools offer (according to Law School Transparency.) At the same time, however, it looks like other schools in major metropolitan areas and with recognizable names (Boston College, Boston University, George Washington, Notre Dame, Emory) have at least solid job placement stats, but their median GPA and LSATs are much lower. I took the June 2015 LSAT (my first LSAT) and haven't received my score yet, but I'm fairly sure it will be between 160 and 165. My GPA is 3.67. I'm a caucasian female. My question is, would it be a poor choice to go to one of these schools at full price or close to it? Thank you in advance for your help.

It is generally a poor choice to go to any school for full price or close to it. Keep retaking the LSAT until you score 170+ and can attend a T14 at a significant discount.

jbagelboy · Post by **jbagelboy** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 4:09 pm

extremely poor choice

Big Dog · Post by **Big Dog** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 4:12 pm

My question is, would it be a poor choice to go to one of these schools at full price or close to it? Thank you in advance for your help.

There are no worse choices that you could make.

chuckbass · Post by **chuckbass** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 4:12 pm

Does it sound like a good idea to take on more than $200k in debt for a ~30% chance at landing a job that pays enough for you to pay that all back?

ndirish2010 · Post by **ndirish2010** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 4:37 pm

Come back when you have a score. But don't go to ND/BC/GW at sticker, or anywhere close to it.

Mack.Hambleton · Post by **Mack.Hambleton** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 6:36 pm

Unless you want to work non biglaw jobs in those regions, I wouldn't go to any even for free

CanadianWolf · Post by **CanadianWolf** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 7:16 pm

Do not pay full price or anywhere close to sticker price for Emory, GWU, BU, BC or Notre Dame because the debt burden far outweighs the likelihood of getting a job with sufficient income to pay back the loans.
An LSAT score in the 170s will certainly generate several T-14 acceptances, some with substantial scholarship offers, as well as many full tuition scholarship offers from non-Top 14 law schools. The minimum LSAT score needed for strong options is probably a 168 in your case. Also, there is no penalty nor harm in retaking the LSAT.

Clemenceau · Post by **Clemenceau** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 7:35 pm

CanadianWolf wrote:Do not pay full price or anywhere close to sticker price for Emory, GWU, BU, BC or Notre Dame because the debt burden far outweighs the likelihood of getting a job with sufficient income to pay back the loans.
An LSAT score in the 170s will certainly generate several T-14 acceptances, some with substantial scholarship offers, as well as many full tuition scholarship offers from non-Top 14 law schools. The minimum LSAT score needed for strong options is probably a 168 in your case. Also, there is no penalty nor harm in retaking the LSAT.

Agreed. And just to build on this, schools like cornell and georgetown were readily taking 3.6/167-8 applicants this cycle. Frankly that's a pretty low bar for such good law schools(buyer's market if you will). There's no excuse to keep your 163 or whatever when these schools are within a retake's reach.

ndirish2010 · Post by **ndirish2010** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 8:13 pm

I wouldn't go to GULC or Cornell sticker either though.

Clemenceau · Post by **Clemenceau** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 8:20 pm

ndirish2010 wrote:I wouldn't go to GULC or Cornell sticker either though.

Well yeah me neither, but op is talking about going to emory or gw at sticker. Baby steps.

ndirish2010 · Post by **ndirish2010** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 8:27 pm

Clemenceau wrote:
ndirish2010 wrote:I wouldn't go to GULC or Cornell sticker either though.
Well yeah me neither, but op is talking about going to emory or gw at sticker. Baby steps.

Ha, good point. I went to ND on a half ride and that seemed like a great deal at the time, but I tell 0Ls not to do the same thing all the time.

chuckbass · Post by **chuckbass** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 8:35 pm

ndirish2010 wrote:
Clemenceau wrote:
ndirish2010 wrote:I wouldn't go to GULC or Cornell sticker either though.
Well yeah me neither, but op is talking about going to emory or gw at sticker. Baby steps.
Ha, good point. I went to ND on a half ride and that seemed like a great deal at the time, but I tell 0Ls not to do the same thing all the time.

I went to WUSTL with even less and got biglaw and would never tell anyone to do the same either.

WeeBey · Post by **WeeBey** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 8:36 pm

ndirish2010 wrote:I wouldn't go to GULC or Cornell sticker either though.

I wouldn't even go to HYS at sticker UNLESS I'm solely interested in something that's covered by the LRAP. Fuck I look like paying $300k for biglaw?

ndirish2010 · Post by **ndirish2010** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 8:41 pm

scottidsntknow wrote:
ndirish2010 wrote:
Clemenceau wrote:
ndirish2010 wrote:I wouldn't go to GULC or Cornell sticker either though.
Well yeah me neither, but op is talking about going to emory or gw at sticker. Baby steps.
Ha, good point. I went to ND on a half ride and that seemed like a great deal at the time, but I tell 0Ls not to do the same thing all the time.
I went to WUSTL with even less and got biglaw and would never tell anyone to do the same either.

Had a good outcome too. It sometimes confuses people when I argue against it.

Wild Card · Post by **Wild Card** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:31 pm

I've read that GW and BU offer full-tuition scholarships to successful early decision applicants. Those might be reasonable choices if you insist on trying your luck with a 3.67/165.

Mack.Hambleton · Post by **Mack.Hambleton** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:34 am

Retake, a 3.67 doesn't preclude you from big money at T14

Winston1984 · Post by **Winston1984** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:56 am

Mack.Hambleton wrote:Retake, a 3.67 doesn't preclude you from big money at T14

Yup. A 170 will get you half off many T14s.

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