Darrow vs. Yale Forum

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[Clearly]

Just how much at CCN? That's gonna be super relevant, if its a reasonable price between sticker at yale and a fullie at UVA, I might consider it. If I had to pick between the two, I'd take Y in a heartbeat.

For your goals, Y is the clear choice btw. You're one of the rare people with some crazy goals and admission to the school that could actually open some crazy doors.

[blackacre10]

Right now I'm leaning towards Yale.

looks like you said it yourself. yale is yale. the cynic in me says that most people faced with your decision will go to yale. congrats

[bearsfan23]

Right now I'm leaning towards Yale.

looks like you said it yourself. yale is yale. the cynic in me says that most people faced with your decision will go to yale. congrats

Agreed. You can't get into the Yale Club if you go Michigan, so this is really a no brainer

[Mack.Hambleton]

no full rides to schools higher than michigan??

[everything_bagel]

You're one of the rare people with some crazy goals and admission to the school that could actually open some crazy doors.

OP actually strikes me as super unsure about his/her goals, which is usually a strong reason to take the money and run. Some of the things OP wants--clerkship, "international human rights"--would definitely benefit from the Yale name but I can't tell how much OP wants them or has thought about how to attain them--and at least as far as PI goes that hustle is what will help OP actually do one of them rather than just following the biglaw path of least resistance. And OP is right that insofar as his/her goals are flexible being debt-free is a huge advantage.

OP, i think you could go either way here--although negotiating with UVA and CCN seems like a no-brainer.

But if these are your choices i think you need to learn more about these schools. For example, I don't think you are spot-on about professor access at Yale. Without grades a lot of students are super focused on building these relationships and it can be quite competitive/stressful to get to know professors in your interest area. Insofar as this matters to you, i'd talk to some Michigan folks about professor accessibility there to get a better comparison. I'd guess that a strong student at Michigan ends up with similar or better mentoring opportunities.

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[bearsfan23]

Just how much at CCN?

I received around 90k from CCN. However, my family's contribution of that 'one year of tuition' would probably only apply for Yale or Harvard (would have to confirm). So the actual difference is less.

Wait, your parents will only pay for a year of school of its Harvard or Yale, but not if its CCN?

Why is that?

[ManoftheHour]

Just how much at CCN?

I received around 90k from CCN. However, my family's contribution of that 'one year of tuition' would probably only apply for Yale or Harvard (would have to confirm). So the actual difference is less.

Wait, your parents will only pay for a year of school of its Harvard or Yale, but not if its CCN?

Why is that?

Because it's Harvard or Yale. My parents probably would have paid full tuition if I had gotten into those.

As for OP's case: It's a tough decision. But I'd go with Yale.

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[Chiller303]

One thing you might do is reach out to people who have taken the Darrow (discounting what they say slightly, given their bias). I go to NYU, and one person that comes to mind is Adam Cox, who's a professor here. He was a Darrow at Michigan and so has experience there and at NYU and Chicago (both schools at which he's taught). Given his status as a professor, I imagine he'd have some insight into the faculty and culture at Yale, as well. You might shoot him an email; I would bet he'd be happy to talk to you.

[bearsfan23]

Just how much at CCN?

I received around 90k from CCN. However, my family's contribution of that 'one year of tuition' would probably only apply for Yale or Harvard (would have to confirm). So the actual difference is less.

Wait, your parents will only pay for a year of school of its Harvard or Yale, but not if its CCN?

Why is that?

Because it's Harvard or Yale. My parents probably would have paid full tuition if I had gotten into those.

As for OP's case: It's a tough decision. But I'd go with Yale.

That makes zero sense, especially given CCN has almost identical employment outcomes to Harvard. Sounds like your parents just suck ManoftheHour, its not like its YH or some TTT. I refuse to believe any actual parents would help pay for Harvard but wouldn't do the same for Columbia.

Then again, OP seems like he really just wants to go to Michigan or Yale

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That makes zero sense, especially given CCN has almost identical employment outcomes to Harvard. Sounds like your parents just suck ManoftheHour, its not like its YH or some TTT. I refuse to believe any actual parents would help pay for Harvard but wouldn't do the same for Columbia.

Then again, OP seems like he really just wants to go to Michigan or Yale

And you're absolutely right. Not saying they're logical at all. They do a lot of things that don't make sense. At the end of the day, it is their money and I would think that neither me or OP can really complain about that.

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[MarkfromWI]

That makes zero sense, especially given CCN has almost identical employment outcomes to Harvard. Sounds like your parents just suck ManoftheHour, its not like its YH or some TTT. I refuse to believe any actual parents would help pay for Harvard but wouldn't do the same for Columbia.

Then again, OP seems like he really just wants to go to Michigan or Yale

Most parents aren't meticulously researching the employment statistics of law schools. If the parents aren't lawyers and don't know any lawyers, it makes complete sense that they would only pay for HY because they are HY. Those two are absolutely above and beyond every other school as far as lay prestige goes. I mean my parents, for example, probably would have had to ask where CLS is, or if UChi was better than UIUC, and I really don't think they're unrepresentative of a majority of parents who are largely uninformed about law school.

To OP: This is one of the few times I'm voting against taking the money and running all the way to the bank. Go to Yale, see what interests develop, and use COAP as a safety net in case some things shake out differently than you thought.

[UnicornHunter]

Yea OP definitely is that rare law student who isn't quite sure why he's going to law school, but has a vague preference for prestige and save the world litigation (willing to do BigLaw though if the price is right.) I really understand what makes OP so unique that multiple people (who would NORMALLY advise OP to take the money) are recommending he pay $240,000 or whatever to go to Y here (parent's money /=free).

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[tiltedwindmill]

One thing you might do is reach out to people who have taken the Darrow (discounting what they say slightly, given their bias). I go to NYU, and one person that comes to mind is Adam Cox, who's a professor here. He was a Darrow at Michigan and so has experience there and at NYU and Chicago (both schools at which he's taught). Given his status as a professor, I imagine he'd have some insight into the faculty and culture at Yale, as well. You might shoot him an email; I would bet he'd be happy to talk to you.

It looks like he graduated literally first in his class. Not exactly representative of a expectable outcome

[RunnerRunner]

Because it's Harvard or Yale. My parents probably would have paid full tuition if I had gotten into those.

As for OP's case: It's a tough decision. But I'd go with Yale.

That makes zero sense, especially given CCN has almost identical employment outcomes to Harvard. Sounds like your parents just suck ManoftheHour, its not like its YH or some TTT. I refuse to believe any actual parents would help pay for Harvard but wouldn't do the same for Columbia.

This part actually doesn't surprise me. Lots of parts of the country (like my hometown) really don't think of any schools as being that good aside from Harvard, Yale, and the state's flagship University. I had no idea Columbia was anything special until I started researching law schools. And it's impossible to shake that mindset even with employment outcomes. People are still like "yeah, but come on, it's Harvard!"

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[RunnerRunner]

Oh and go with Yale OP. You have hazy goals, Y keeps more doors open wider.

[BigZuck]

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I assume the OP is just going to do the big law drone scene and then move on to something else not unicorny so I vote Michigan. When goals are vague it seems like people usually just follow the path of least resistance, and I wouldn't recommend people spend hundreds of thousands of dollars extra without a clear reason/plan in place. He'll end up in the same place if he goes to Yale, except with a lot less money IMO.

[CanadianWolf]

Michigan with a full tuition scholarship plus a living stipend is the better choice for one with unclear career goals. While some view Yale as a door opener, I see the enormous student loan debt as a door closer. Michigan & financial freedom is the clear choice for OP, in my opinion.

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