Best law school outside of HYS for LA biglaw? Forum
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JCDante

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Best law school outside of HYS for LA biglaw?
Having been born and raised in LA most of my life and with practically all my family residing there, I am confident that I wouldn't want to work anywhere else.
So outside of the Big 3, what's the best law school to attend if I want LA biglaw? Or better yet, what is the LA T14-esque tier list that firms here seek?
So outside of the Big 3, what's the best law school to attend if I want LA biglaw? Or better yet, what is the LA T14-esque tier list that firms here seek?
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hearsay77

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Re: Best law school outside of HYS for LA biglaw?
UCLAJCDante wrote:Having been born and raised in LA most of my life and with practically all my family residing there, I am confident that I wouldn't want to work anywhere else.
So outside of the Big 3, what's the best law school to attend if I want LA biglaw? Or better yet, what is the LA T14-esque tier list that firms here seek?
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Re: Best law school outside of HYS for LA biglaw?
Given your ties to the region, you should have a good shot at a 2L SA in L.A at most T14 schools. So, to answer your question, I guess Columbia since it's the best non-HYS school for biglaw.
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Re: Best law school outside of HYS for LA biglaw?
+1 all the CA people I know seem to do really well back in CA generally.pamphleteer wrote:Given your ties to the region, you should have a good shot at a 2L SA in L.A at most T14 schools. So, to answer your question, I guess Columbia since it's the best non-HYS school for biglaw.
ETA: currently at Columbia
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Re: Best law school outside of HYS for LA biglaw?
hearsay77 wrote:
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Re: Best law school outside of HYS for LA biglaw?
What would you do if you can't land LA Biglaw?
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FloridaCoastalorbust wrote:hearsay77 wrote:
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Re: Best law school outside of HYS for LA biglaw?
flawschoolkid wrote:FloridaCoastalorbust wrote:hearsay77 wrote:
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OP, come back when you have acceptance letters and $$$ offers so we can give you better advice.
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JCDante

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Re: Best law school outside of HYS for LA biglaw?
Yes, I figured that after searching through older topics based on the same subject. Only problem is none of those topics provided a definitive answer: everybody made a good case for each side. :psesto elemento wrote:flawschoolkid wrote:FloridaCoastalorbust wrote:hearsay77 wrote:
UCLAPepperdineLoyolaPeople's College of Law
OP, come back when you have acceptance letters and $$$ offers so we can give you better advice.
But in general, I should blanket the T14 (maybe minus Georgetown) for more opportunities to bribe USC/UCLA for more scholly money, correct? And for the most part there are four schools I cannot turn down 95 percent of the time right (HYS + Columbia). I figure Chicago, NYU, and Penn are schools I shouldn't turn down, but might be able to (and Berkeley because Cali), and Virginia/Mich/Duke are debatable. Then Cornell/Georgtown just apply for scholly offers, but with no intention of going, and Northwestern wouldn't look at me because I won't have meaningful work experience.
Oh and I'd be a second generation Trojan if that means anything for USC (although my dad was undergrad). I'm also very debt averse, but my dad makes a good amount of money (think of the ceiling of upper-middle-class) and insists he'll "find a way to pay for law school" as he says, but I don't think he's aware about how batshit insane law school tuition is, and I would prefer not to live off a parent's money after 21. Then there's the fact that I'm sure we're due for another recession in the next 4-5 years, and you never know what can happen to someone's job. Having said that, he'd likely refuse to let me go into massive debt, but I don't want that as a plan A .
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Re: Best law school outside of HYS for LA biglaw?
Columbia is not that obvious here. That's why I asked what you'd do if you couldn't land LA Biglaw, which is a reality for most people at USC/UCLA and a meaningful number from places like Columbia too. If you'd shoot hard for LA small/mid-law or local gov stuff if you struck out at OCI then go to USC/UCLA. If you'd prefer to do biglaw elsewhere in the country over LA smalllaw then go T-14JCDante wrote: But in general, I should blanket the T14 (maybe minus Georgetown) for more opportunities to bribe USC/UCLA for more scholly money, correct? And for the most part there are four schools I cannot turn down 95 percent of the time right (HYS + Columbia). I figure Chicago, NYU, and Penn are schools I shouldn't turn down, but might be able to (and Berkeley because Cali), and Virginia/Mich/Duke are debatable. Then Cornell/Georgtown just apply for scholly offers, but with no intention of going, and Northwestern wouldn't look at me because I won't have meaningful work experience.
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I don't entirely agree. I think Columbia, Chicago and Berkeley would play strongest after Harvard and Yale (with Stanford obviously in the lead). Then Penn, then the rest & UCLA. I don't know about all firms in los angeles but for the two I have substantial recruiting experience with, the less selective one has a very generous cutoff for Harvard/Columbia students (it probably doesnt get many Chi) and a substantially stricter one for UVA/Michigan/ect; for the very selective one, it takes more students from CLS and Chicago than any school aside from HS. Other firms most likely fall inbetween.Tiago Splitter wrote:Columbia is not that obvious here. That's why I asked what you'd do if you couldn't land LA Biglaw, which is a reality for most people at USC/UCLA and a meaningful number from places like Columbia too. If you'd shoot hard for LA small/mid-law or local gov stuff if you struck out at OCI then go to USC/UCLA. If you'd prefer to do biglaw elsewhere in the country over LA smalllaw then go T-14JCDante wrote: But in general, I should blanket the T14 (maybe minus Georgetown) for more opportunities to bribe USC/UCLA for more scholly money, correct? And for the most part there are four schools I cannot turn down 95 percent of the time right (HYS + Columbia). I figure Chicago, NYU, and Penn are schools I shouldn't turn down, but might be able to (and Berkeley because Cali), and Virginia/Mich/Duke are debatable. Then Cornell/Georgtown just apply for scholly offers, but with no intention of going, and Northwestern wouldn't look at me because I won't have meaningful work experience.
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Re: Best law school outside of HYS for LA biglaw?
I'm sure this is right but it only applies if price is no object. There is a pretty low chance of striking out from CCN, but a very real chance of striking out if you're only focused on LA. Shooting for LA Biglaw alone is like going to Georgetown for biglaw anywhere; you've got a decent shot but there's a serious risk of striking out. If the next option would be to shoot for LA small law if you do strike out, you're no better off at Columbia vs USC/UCLA. Is that difference in LA biglaw prospects worth something like 150k? Not for mejbagelboy wrote:I don't entirely agree. I think Columbia, Chicago and Berkeley would play strongest after Harvard and Yale (with Stanford obviously in the lead). Then Penn, then the rest & UCLA. I don't know about all firms in los angeles but for the two I have substantial recruiting experience with, the less selective one has a very generous cutoff for Harvard/Columbia students (it probably doesnt get many Chi) and a substantially stricter one for UVA/Michigan/ect; for the very selective one, it takes more students from CLS and Chicago than any school aside from HS. Other firms most likely fall inbetween.Tiago Splitter wrote:Columbia is not that obvious here. That's why I asked what you'd do if you couldn't land LA Biglaw, which is a reality for most people at USC/UCLA and a meaningful number from places like Columbia too. If you'd shoot hard for LA small/mid-law or local gov stuff if you struck out at OCI then go to USC/UCLA. If you'd prefer to do biglaw elsewhere in the country over LA smalllaw then go T-14JCDante wrote: But in general, I should blanket the T14 (maybe minus Georgetown) for more opportunities to bribe USC/UCLA for more scholly money, correct? And for the most part there are four schools I cannot turn down 95 percent of the time right (HYS + Columbia). I figure Chicago, NYU, and Penn are schools I shouldn't turn down, but might be able to (and Berkeley because Cali), and Virginia/Mich/Duke are debatable. Then Cornell/Georgtown just apply for scholly offers, but with no intention of going, and Northwestern wouldn't look at me because I won't have meaningful work experience.
In OP's case it sounds like he's got a pretty big safety net via the family so it might make sense to take the better prospects (even for LA) from CCN.
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Oh including money yes I agree completely.Tiago Splitter wrote:I'm sure this is right but it only applies if price is no object. There is a pretty low chance of striking out from CCN, but a very real chance of striking out if you're only focused on LA. Shooting for LA Biglaw alone is like going to Georgetown for biglaw anywhere; you've got a decent shot but there's a serious risk of striking out. If the next option would be to shoot for LA small law if you do strike out, you're no better off at Columbia vs USC/UCLA. Is that difference in LA biglaw prospects worth something like 150k? Not for mejbagelboy wrote:I don't entirely agree. I think Columbia, Chicago and Berkeley would play strongest after Harvard and Yale (with Stanford obviously in the lead). Then Penn, then the rest & UCLA. I don't know about all firms in los angeles but for the two I have substantial recruiting experience with, the less selective one has a very generous cutoff for Harvard/Columbia students (it probably doesnt get many Chi) and a substantially stricter one for UVA/Michigan/ect; for the very selective one, it takes more students from CLS and Chicago than any school aside from HS. Other firms most likely fall inbetween.Tiago Splitter wrote:Columbia is not that obvious here. That's why I asked what you'd do if you couldn't land LA Biglaw, which is a reality for most people at USC/UCLA and a meaningful number from places like Columbia too. If you'd shoot hard for LA small/mid-law or local gov stuff if you struck out at OCI then go to USC/UCLA. If you'd prefer to do biglaw elsewhere in the country over LA smalllaw then go T-14JCDante wrote: But in general, I should blanket the T14 (maybe minus Georgetown) for more opportunities to bribe USC/UCLA for more scholly money, correct? And for the most part there are four schools I cannot turn down 95 percent of the time right (HYS + Columbia). I figure Chicago, NYU, and Penn are schools I shouldn't turn down, but might be able to (and Berkeley because Cali), and Virginia/Mich/Duke are debatable. Then Cornell/Georgtown just apply for scholly offers, but with no intention of going, and Northwestern wouldn't look at me because I won't have meaningful work experience.
In OP's case it sounds like he's got a pretty big safety net via the family so it might make sense to take the better prospects (even for LA) from CCN.
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Re: Best law school outside of HYS for LA biglaw?
I agree with this except for the part about SLS. For Southern California, I think I'd almost rather be coming from HLS.jbagelboy wrote: I don't entirely agree. I think Columbia, Chicago and Berkeley would play strongest after Harvard and Yale (with Stanford obviously in the lead).
But after HYS, I agree that CLS/UChi/Boalt are about equal.