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Re: Still aim for a t14 or a local school with full ride?

Post by Mack.Hambleton » Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:07 am

why go to law school at all

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Re: Still aim for a t14 or a local school with full ride?

Post by Pragmatic Gun » Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:55 am

Troll harder. Based on your previous posts, you are deliberately dumbing down your language.

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Re: Still aim for a t14 or a local school with full ride?

Post by TheSpanishMain » Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:03 am

Yeah, I really hope you were typing this on your phone.

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Re: Still aim for a t14 or a local school with full ride?

Post by Attax » Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:38 am

Even if you think law school is needed for your goals (which it isn't), you'll want to go somewhere respectable that can get you a legal job if you can't get back to the state legislature as you intend. Additionally, get an actual LSAT score (you can't know that you absolutely didn't score below 165 until getting your score back) and then see where options are. Strong regional schools are good choices, but only really with full schollies. And IDK those schools that well, but doubt they fall into the "strong regional" category. Don't forget the opportunity cost of 3 years as well.

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Re: Still aim for a t14 or a local school with full ride?

Post by Johann » Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:01 am

I'd probably take the full ride. Sounds like you already have some of the right connections. Not sure why everyone here is hating on a free law school education. It will def open up more doors for you in the future and the opportunity cost doesn't seem to be high. Buddy of mine is going this route right now and went for the cheap regional and seems to be pretty content. Politics involves lots of hustling early on though.

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Re: Still aim for a t14 or a local school with full ride?

Post by jingosaur » Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:18 am

JohannDeMann wrote:I'd probably take the full ride. Sounds like you already have some of the right connections. Not sure why everyone here is hating on a free law school education. It will def open up more doors for you in the future and the opportunity cost doesn't seem to be high. Buddy of mine is going this route right now and went for the cheap regional and seems to be pretty content. Politics involves lots of hustling early on though.
The problem is that these schools have predatory scholarship stipulations that get rid of your free ride after your first year and if you fall below the very top of the class, you will most likely end up unemployed or in a legal job that won't get you into what you want to do.

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Re: Still aim for a t14 or a local school with full ride?

Post by TheSpanishMain » Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:32 pm

JohannDeMann wrote: Not sure why everyone here is hating on a free law school education.

If it was free UCLA or USC, you'd probably be right. But free Loyola or Southwestern is probably not worth it given the opportunity cost of giving up three years of work experience. If he wants to work in the legislature he's better off trying to turn his internship into a full time position and working his way up from the bottom of the totem pole, not lateraling back in later with a JD from a crappy school.

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Re: Still aim for a t14 or a local school with full ride?

Post by RCSOB657 » Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:47 pm

WilliamStrong wrote:Because i do not want to pass crap laws that damage the state more than it helps, and i need legal trainings to do that.


Lol, having actually tried to get into my state's legislature, I can tell you even lawyers pass crap laws.


However, good luck to you. Hope you get what you want, really do.

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Re: Still aim for a t14 or a local school with full ride?

Post by Attax » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:11 pm

TheSpanishMain wrote:
JohannDeMann wrote: Not sure why everyone here is hating on a free law school education.

If it was free UCLA or USC, you'd probably be right. But free Loyola or Southwestern is probably not worth it given the opportunity cost of giving up three years of work experience. If he wants to work in the legislature he's better off trying to turn his internship into a full time position and working his way up from the bottom of the totem pole, not lateraling back in later with a JD from a crappy school.
Exactly. Free good regional schools are one thing. Free shit schools are another that don't open paths but instead close them by denying you work experience for 3 years which also means less connections in another field, lost wages, advancement set behind all for a degree that opens up little to no doors in careers other than being a lawyer, but you're at a school where you're unlikely to become a lawyer, so that means lost future opportunity cost as well.

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Re: Still aim for a t14 or a local school with full ride?

Post by Johann » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:18 pm

If you want to go law school, I'd go. There is a very real chance that at some point in your career in politics a law degree would be valuable. In this situation, the cost benefit analysis is very speculative. For me, I'd hate to have future opportunities ruled out because I bypassed a free legal education. Living with regrets is no way to live. Worst case scenario you have a law degree, the same connections you have now, and spend three years in law school which is probably better than three years working, and no debt. Even that is a decent outcome.

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Re: Still aim for a t14 or a local school with full ride?

Post by Pragmatic Gun » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:37 pm

At the risk of veering off topic, how does having a law degree confer an advantage in politics? Yes, a huge fraction of politicians graduated from law school, but does that mean having a degree actually helps out an aspiring bureaucrat/politico?

I think it may have to do with the networking. So many lawyers work in politics in some way.

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Re: Still aim for a t14 or a local school with full ride?

Post by Johann » Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:04 pm

Pragmatic Gun wrote:At the risk of veering off topic, how does having a law degree confer an advantage in politics? Yes, a huge fraction of politicians graduated from law school, but does that mean having a degree actually helps out an aspiring bureaucrat/politico?

I think it may have to do with the networking. So many lawyers work in politics in some way.
I'd say it's a lot to do with networking and a little to do with actually liking law students working for the legislator because experience reading statutes.

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Re: Still aim for a t14 or a local school with full ride?

Post by TheSpanishMain » Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:36 pm

JohannDeMann wrote:spend three years in law school which is probably better than three years working
How?

I agree that it would suck to look back with regret, which is why OP should not waste his one shot at law school (if he decides to go at all) on Southwestern.

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Re: Still aim for a t14 or a local school with full ride?

Post by jingosaur » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:06 pm

Working 3 years in your early/mid twenties can almost double your salary and boost your job prospects way more than attending a bottom tier law school. Obama's speech writer went from making $20k in the back office of John Kerry's campaign fresh out of college to being Obama's speech writer in 5 years and he turned down law school to start there.

To be less anecdotal, about 90% of entry level consultants in my company's university hires program get promoted after 2 years of WE and by the end of their third year, the average salary boost from starting is in the 20% to 40% range. Even though the job market sucks for millennials fresh out of school, there are still much better paths than attending a TTT law school, even if it's free.

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