Rutgers Newark vs Seton Hall Forum

[legal-eagle]

Hey everyone! I posted a few months about a similar situation but my scholarships have recently changed. I am trying to decide between these two schools

Seton Hall: $43k scholarship on $50k tuition and fees, can commute from home so looking at about $7k a year .. Stips at 2.75gpa or top 75% of the class

Rutgers Newark: full scholarship, can commute, 0 a year , Stips at 3.0 or top 50% of the class

Seton hall is ranked a bit higher but I feel like RU has potential to rise cuz the merger and new division? Not sure tho

Any thoughts? Would greatly appreciate it!

[ymmv]

What are your goals? Unless your family has a practice you plan to join or there is a major job promotion waiting for you somewhere, you should probably retake. I could maybe see justifying Rutgers as a PD/DA gunner in Jersey but even that is tenuous.

[should-i-do-it]

http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/ ... jobs/2013/

http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/ ... jobs/2013/

Looks like Seton Hall does better in regards to full time bar passage required jobs: 69% to 56%, however realize that the overwhelming majority of these jobs won't pay more than 50k

[03152016]

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=206299
Post this info.

[eriedoctrine]

Rutgers, no contest.
After the Newark/Camden merge, they'll be even stronger.

[ymmv]

Rutgers, no contest.
After the Newark/Camden merge, they'll be even stronger.

"Even stronger" lol.

[eriedoctrine]

Rutgers, no contest.
After the Newark/Camden merge, they'll be even stronger.

"Even stronger" lol.

[03152016]

Rutgers, no contest.
After the Newark/Camden merge, they'll be even stronger.

"Even stronger" lol.

it's like thinking that if you squash a dog turd and a cat turd together the smells will cancel each other out

[eriedoctrine]

LOL.
Aw guys, stop picking on state flagship law schools, especially if OP plans to practice in NJ.

[ymmv]

LOL.
Aw guys, stop picking on state flagship law schools, especially if OP plans to practice in NJ.

Flagship law school that sends full scholarship offers preemptively to non-applicants in a desperate attempt to shore up plummeting application rates and whose two primary markets are dominated by T14s and a dozen superior regional schools. Yeah ok.

[eriedoctrine]

Placing in NYC and Philly is tough, but people do ok in NJ. If Seton Hall shuts down, it'd actually be pretty solid.

[03152016]

LOL.
Aw guys, stop picking on state flagship law schools, especially if OP plans to practice in NJ.

there are only three law schools in nj and they're all objectively terrible
so who really cares if it's a 'state flagship'?
this isn't UT we're talking about, at rutgers you have a coinflip chance of finding a FT/LT/JD job nine months after graduation
tbh i don't think it's clear that even at $0 it could be considered a good outcome

[dissonance1848]

Those stips are fucked up man. Get rid of them, or definitely do not go to either. Even without stops, do you want NJ? Can you retake?

[phillywc]

RN, with modest goals and the stips removed, for free, is a good outcome.

[03152016]

RN, with modest goals and the stips removed, for free, is a good outcome.

Idk man, it's clearly a good outcome on the cost side, but a student at median is going to be sweating
Although i may be biased, i have a friend who is a 2012 rutgers grad still not employed and still living at home

[phillywc]

RN, with modest goals and the stips removed, for free, is a good outcome.

Idk man, it's clearly a good outcome on the cost side, but a student at median is going to be sweating
Although i may be biased, i have a friend who is a 2012 rutgers grad still not employed and still living at home

Thats fair. I just think it is a better outcome than, say, sticker at a t20 or something. Depends on goals/ties/whatever.

[Atlanticist]

Hey everyone! I posted a few months about a similar situation but my scholarships have recently changed. I am trying to decide between these two schools

Seton Hall: $43k scholarship on $50k tuition and fees, can commute from home so looking at about $7k a year .. Stips at 2.75gpa or top 75% of the class

Rutgers Newark: full scholarship, can commute, 0 a year , Stips at 3.0 or top 50% of the class

Seton hall is ranked a bit higher but I feel like RU has potential to rise cuz the merger and new division? Not sure tho

Any thoughts? Would greatly appreciate it!

Channelling the ghost of areyouinsane.........

[Attax]

RN, with modest goals and the stips removed, for free, is a good outcome.

Idk man, it's clearly a good outcome on the cost side, but a student at median is going to be sweating
Although i may be biased, i have a friend who is a 2012 rutgers grad still not employed and still living at home

I'd rather be a rut grad with no job and no debt than a seton hall grad with no job and debt.

[SteelPenguin]

RN, with modest goals and the stips removed, for free, is a good outcome.

Idk man, it's clearly a good outcome on the cost side, but a student at median is going to be sweating
Although i may be biased, i have a friend who is a 2012 rutgers grad still not employed and still living at home

I'd rather be a rut grad with no job and no debt than a seton hall grad with no job and debt.

Why?

[ymmv]

RN, with modest goals and the stips removed, for free, is a good outcome.

Idk man, it's clearly a good outcome on the cost side, but a student at median is going to be sweating
Although i may be biased, i have a friend who is a 2012 rutgers grad still not employed and still living at home

I'd rather be a rut grad with no job and no debt than a seton hall grad with no job and debt.

Why?

Dat Rutgers prestige.

[zoomzoom88]

I just finished up 1L at SHU. While the law program itself is solid you MUST be top of your class to land a strong, long term full time job post graduation. I ended up with a 3.8 and am considering transferring out because of the lack of firms represented at our OCI. That being said, if you get trapped at the median (as MOST students do) you are SOL, and even more so if you end up below the median. Long story short I would retake and reapply so a better school. I worked extremely hard my first year to get high grades because I knew I wanted to transfer. It was a risky move but paid off. I would not recommend doing this.

I currently work at a V200 law firm. The firm primarily hires from SHU. So on the other side of the coin, if you plan on working in NJ SHU can open doors. But beware you will never get NYC Biglaw from SHU (nor will you get NYC biglaw from RU).

FWIW I also had close to a full ride to SHU, otherwise I would have gone to Rutgers. SHU is not worth 54k a year (IMHO) because that type of debt in a poor legal market is insane.

[timbs4339]

Tough decision. First, understand that you probably are not going to get a job paying anything over 70K starting. There are precious few of those jobs. You'll be looking at a Jersey state court clerkship (check out the LST score reports for the massive percentage of SH/R-N grads who take state court clerkships), following by a job at the PD/DA or in a smaller firm.

Now that we've got that out of the way, I'd try to get R-N to match the scholarship stips at SH or SH to match the full at Rutgers. Top 50% is killer. It'd be better if there were no stips, but if you're bottom 25% of the class at either SH or R-N you might as well just drop out then.

If they won't budge, then SH. They've got a sustained (3 year average) 5-10% job placement advantage over R-N.

[legal-eagle]

What are your goals? Unless your family has a practice you plan to join or there is a major job promotion waiting for you somewhere, you should probably retake. I could maybe see justifying Rutgers as a PD/DA gunner in Jersey but even that is tenuous.

I was born and raised in NJ, plan on staying here. I don't know what kind of law I want to do yet but I don't think I want to do corporate

[ymmv]

What are your goals? Unless your family has a practice you plan to join or there is a major job promotion waiting for you somewhere, you should probably retake. I could maybe see justifying Rutgers as a PD/DA gunner in Jersey but even that is tenuous.

I was born and raised in NJ, plan on staying here. I don't know what kind of law I want to do yet but I don't think I want to do corporate

Sorry to be brutal, but it doesn't sound like you have a compelling reason to go to law school. If you have no idea what kind of law you want to practice, why are you convinced you want to be a lawyer and lose at least three years of your life and potential income for vague chances at low-paying local legal sweatshops?

[Attax]

RN, with modest goals and the stips removed, for free, is a good outcome.

Idk man, it's clearly a good outcome on the cost side, but a student at median is going to be sweating
Although i may be biased, i have a friend who is a 2012 rutgers grad still not employed and still living at home

I'd rather be a rut grad with no job and no debt than a seton hall grad with no job and debt.

Why?

Just saying overall, I wouldn't go to either, but that if I had to choose between the two rather than be smart take the time off and retake, at least I'd have no debt coming from one option.