CCN Insurance Forum

[justcause6]

How big of an insurance biglaw wise does CCN provide? would V10 go to CCN medians while only top 30% to non-CCN? is it worth it to sit out a cycle to aim for CCN?

[Mullens]

Compared to what?

[papercut]

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=226198

Looks like it has started coming out. Update the thread with Biglaw (101+ attorneys) plus FedClerk hiring numbers.

Columbia: 73.2 + 4.8 = 78%
Stanford: 48.5 + 29.4 = 77.8%
Chicago: 62.3 + 10.2 = 72.6%
Harvard: 54.5 + 17.0 = 71.5%
Penn: 59.8 + 9.3 = 69.1%
Cornell: 57.5 + 10.9 = 68.4%
NYU: 58.3 + 8.8 = 67.0%
Yale: 30.5 + 35 = 65.5%
Northwestern: 55.6 + 7.7 = 63.4%
UVA: 50 + 12.9 = 62.9%
Duke: 51.4 + 8.7 = 60.2%
Michigan: 49.4 + 7.8 = 57.1%
Berkeley: 47.8 + 8.0 = 55.8%
GULC: 41.4 + 5.1 = 46.5%
Vanderbilt: 35.9 + 9.2 = 45.1%
Texas: 33.3 + 9.0 = 42.3%
UCLA: 32.5 + 6.9 = 39.5%
Fordham: 34.1 + 2.5 = 36.6%
Boston College: 29.6 + 4.3 = 34%
Notre Dame: 28.3 + 5.4 = 33.7%
USC (LinkRemoved): 29.8 + 3.8 = 33.6%
WUSTL: 29 + 3.3 = 32.3%
Illinois: 24.7 + 3.4 = 28.1%
BU: 24.1 +2.5 = 26.6%
William and Mary: 21.7 + 3.7 = 25.3%
Alabama: 12.0 + 10.2 = 22.3%
Ohio State: 16.9 + 4.4 = 21.3%
Washington and Lee: 16.1 + 3.5 = 19.6%
Minnesota: 13.5 + 3.6 = 17.1%
Wake Forest: 13.2 + 3.1 = 16.3%
Hastings: 13.4 + 1.6 = 15%

Others available by searching thread or checking school websites. All info will be on LST in the next few weeks.

[ymmv]

How big of an insurance biglaw wise does CCN provide? would V10 go to CCN medians while only top 30% to non-CCN? is it worth it to sit out a cycle to aim for CCN?

There is zero reason you should be worrying about V10 vs. V100 vs. any other ranking of biglaw right now. Focus on getting into the school with the best chance of biglaw period and factor that with the best scholarship offer you can get.

If, for instance, you get into Chicago at sticker but Cornell offers you a full ride, then FFS go to Cornell.

[03152016]

Sure they have better V10 placement, but how important is that really? When people talk about the "insurance" of a higher ranked school, it usually means they're foregoing $$/$$$ at a lower-ranked school. ITE, it's usually the best choice to take the money and run.

Also, you should list more details so you get better advice. CCN vs GULC with a 20k difference is one thing, CCN vs Duke with a 60k difference is another thing entirely.

If sitting out a cycle entails retaking, then sure, do it. If you think you underperformed and could do better, why not try to gain a few points to improve your scholly outcomes? No sense to rush into things.

ETA: scooped by ymmv

[jbagelboy]

It's about 12-15% "insurance" over other T14's: HSCC provide on average 85-90% OCI/EIP success rate, schools like Michigan, Berkeley and Virginia are in the low 70's, with Penn and NYU stradling between the two depending on the year.

[03152016]

It's about 10-15% over other T14's; HSCC provide on average 85-90% EIP success rate, schools like Michigan, Berkeley and Virginia are in the low 70's, with Penn and NYU stradling between the two depending on the year.

Do you know where I could find this data?

[jbagelboy]

It's about 10-15% over other T14's; HSCC provide on average 85-90% EIP success rate, schools like Michigan, Berkeley and Virginia are in the low 70's, with Penn and NYU stradling between the two depending on the year.

Do you know where I could find this data?

Each school should release this type of information to 1L's prior to summer so they can plan for OCI. Sometimes it's not publicly available. Berkeley, for example, gave its 2013 data (see page 4) - indicates a 70.5% rate. CLS was 92% in 2012, 86% in 2013, hanging in that range post-recession, and Chicago and Harvard students have presented comparable figures.

Sometimes it's more oblique. Michigan gave an 83% figure in early 2000's (pre-recession) and later indicated that it's rate had fallen by about 10% since boom, suggesting low 70's. One would have to talk to people who had gone through OCI training at each school.

[Shortterm12]

It's about 10-15% over other T14's; HSCC provide on average 85-90% EIP success rate, schools like Michigan, Berkeley and Virginia are in the low 70's, with Penn and NYU stradling between the two depending on the year.

Do you know where I could find this data?

Each school should release this type of information to 1L's prior to summer so they can plan for OCI. Sometimes it's not publicly available. Berkeley, for example, gave its 2013 data (see page 4) - indicates a 70.5% rate. CLS was 92% in 2012, 86% in 2013, hanging in that range post-recession, and Chicago and Harvard students have presented comparable figures.

Sometimes it's more oblique. Michigan gave an 83% figure in early 2000's (pre-recession) and later indicated that it's rate had fallen by about 10% since boom, suggesting low 70's. One would have to talk to people who had gone through OCI training at each school.

I remember seeing something like 75 or 78% for Michigan in the class of 2013 employment forum but I can't seem to find it again.