So you guys convinced me: Retaking June 21st. Forum

[Ngoblue2014]

Depositing for a second time at BU/GW/BC in early June, retaking June 21st. What do you guys think should be the "number?" Personally, I am thinking 168 or better and I will reapply. Why? The median LSAT for BU is 167 i believe, GW 166, BC 165. I have 30k a year at both BC/BU and negotiating at GW currently. My thought is: if I go up to 166/167 (currently at 165) my acceptances probably won't change, $ amounts might slightly but since my parents are footing the bill and are COMPLETELY against sitting out a year (yea i know it is irrational and crazy since i am 22 years old) the financial incentive is not worth waiting. Only a top 14 acceptance is, in my opinion, which I feel with my low gpa (3.34) can only realistic happen at 168 or better. What do you guys think?

[worldtraveler]

What is with all the rich parents lately?

[Ngoblue2014]

what?

[Crowing]

If your parents are footing the bill, you really should convince them to let you take a year off if June doesn't pan out. Normally being a splitter kinda blows since you're not gonna get much $, but for you with a high enough score you could land a CCN degree with no debt.

[twenty]

If nothing else, wouldn't at least a big part of the money they don't spend on law school now go to your inheritance a few decades from now?

edit> If that's a factor for you, BC/BU with 90k is not a bad way to go if you're down with working in Boston/have ties to Boston to begin with.

[Ngoblue2014]

unfortunately not an option. it took an immense amount of negotiating to get them on board with the june retake. this is my one shot, hoping to make the most of it. And honestly i don't think BU BC or GW with 0 debt is a bad option

[Crowing]

unfortunately not an option. it took an immense amount of negotiating to get them on board with the june retake. this is my one shot, hoping to make the most of it. And honestly i don't think BU BC or GW with 0 debt is a bad option

Did you show them the statistics? Do they know how big of a difference getting into a better school can make? Do they know that the majority of law students aren't K-JD and thus working before law school is actually the norm?

Depending on your goals, BU/BC/GW with 0 debt may not be a bad option, but there's no reason to settle when with minimal effort you can be in a much better position.

[Ngoblue2014]

yea trust me i agree but there is absolutely no way they're going to allow that, not a chance. I either ace this test or i am going to school in the fall (which honestly is ok with me i really like all 3 schools and know i am incredibly lucky to not have debt) what does everyone think the "number" needs to be though?

[jbagelboy]

yea trust me i agree but there is absolutely no way they're going to allow that, not a chance. I either ace this test or i am going to school in the fall (which honestly is ok with me i really like all 3 schools and know i am incredibly lucky to not have debt) what does everyone think the "number" needs to be though?

Im gonna say break 170 to make it worth it. Although I'm confused.. If you score high enough, your parents will let you reapply, but they wont let you prep for October to reapply?

More importantly, your not a kid. Your parents have no control over your choices. I didn't consult with my parents and get their "permission" to go to law school one year or another. I made a decision and informed them. This extreme deference to your parents as a legal adult is wholly unnecessary.

[03152016]

June 21?

[prezidentv8]

Your parents have no control over your choices.

They sure do if they have the monies.

[ScottRiqui]

Your parents have no control over your choices.

They sure do if they have the monies.

This. As an adult, he's not obligated to defer to his parents' wishes. But likewise, they're not obligated to foot the bill for his education, so if he wants the money, a certain amount of consideration is warranted.

[Ngoblue2014]

yea i like the concept of not having to "defer" but when they are investing 150k or so that i sure as hell don't have, I need to defer. I have 6 weeks to prep, the reason i cannot take October is due to the "Deal." If i don't kill it, which i will know prior to enrolling officially at any school but with my deposits still being valid, I can go to my favorite of the three schools and move on unaffected by the poor score. If i do very well, I withdraw and apply everywhere in October. Plus, the June test for me is better: the way i see it there is 0 pressure. I will be happy at any of the 3 current options, if i do better thats great, if not ok. In october it would be immense pressure. If i do poorly after giving up 90k scholarships at strong schools and going completely against my parents it will be a big problem for me sitting around a year to get into the same schools. June gives me flexibility

[Crowing]

Weird. Well basically if you have no way to get around the present situation, and you would only pass BU/BC/GW for a T14, then you would probably need 168 for a non-zero chance. 169 would make GULC/Cornell more realistic, and you could potentially reach for Duke/Michigan.

If I was in this situation I would probably reapply with 168 even though your chances at a T-14 are not good with that score because imo a year of even meh WE is worth it anyway even if you only end up with the same acceptances. But that's just my opinion, as I felt like taking time between UG and LS to experience full-time work was very helpful for me personally.

[jbagelboy]

yea i like the concept of not having to "defer" but when they are investing 150k or so that i sure as hell don't have, I need to defer. I have 6 weeks to prep, the reason i cannot take October is due to the "Deal." If i don't kill it, which i will know prior to enrolling officially at any school but with my deposits still being valid, I can go to my favorite of the three schools and move on unaffected by the poor score. If i do very well, I withdraw and apply everywhere in October. Plus, the June test for me is better: the way i see it there is 0 pressure. I will be happy at any of the 3 current options, if i do better thats great, if not ok. In october it would be immense pressure. If i do poorly after giving up 90k scholarships at strong schools and going completely against my parents it will be a big problem for me sitting around a year to get into the same schools. June gives me flexibility

I don't think those schools are bad deals for free. You can get a great job. And if you don't, you'll just be back where you started minus opportunity cost but at least no debt.

To those who are stipulating that the parental control of the purse dictates OP's actions: parents like these who will throw six figures at beyond-advanced education love their children. They probably wholeheartedly believe to their core as most boomers do that declining to immediately attend signals laziness/fear/incredulity/lack of direction/lack of motive; the perennial irresponsible entitled naive inanity of youth.

But they are not punitive. Ultimately, they will apply pressure - as is their right, it comes with the territory as you all point out of the power of the fisc - in the direction of their choice, but are these truly strings attached? Would they really decline to assist the following year if OP got into better schools, and their financial stability had not changed for the worse? I highly doubt it. This is not an arms-length transaction. Not loving parents like these. The parental bond is not borne of spite; its boundless wellspring of forgiveness and charity does not wane in the shadow of cool reflection. It would stay true through the twilight of the offending nine month crevice.

If OP spent the next year picking up a serious cocaine habit and four months clubbing in Barcelona with the rest of his/her tudor mansion companions then maybe they would see it fit to "teach a lesson" about responsibility. But if OP was committed to the retake effort, worked diligently to improve the application, and showed true signs of improvement - by getting into T14's with scholarships, for example - I cannot see the parents withholding because he didn't take the k-jd route to boston college.

[prezidentv8]

unusually well-thought out statements for the internet

pretty good points, all.

[twenty]

Yeah, but pissing off/worrying your parents when they're prepared to give you 150k dollars to go to a decent school this year seems like an understandably unappealing scenario.

I completely agree with what you're saying, bagelboy, and I think it should make sense that parents go, "oh, look, you have a significantly increased chance of getting a job from GULC than you do from GW, sure, retake and we'll pick it up next year!" That said, OP has kind of mentioned this doesn't seem like their attitude.

[Crowing]

This is not an arms-length transaction. Not loving parents like these. The parental bond is not borne of spite; its boundless wellspring of forgiveness and charity does not wane in the shadow of cool reflection. It would stay true through the twilight of the offending nine month crevice.

This language reads like a judicial dissent

I mean I agree with you that this is commonly the case. But I just find it kinda dangerous to speculate about what somebody else's parents are gonna do. So I'd rather defer to OP's perception instead of recommend him to stake 150k on my own guess about the situation, even if it is generally a pretty accurate guess.

[Ngoblue2014]

i completely agree with what your saying, which is why june is the only option. If i do get a 168 or better, i can show them that with my resume and early applications a school like Georgetown/Cornell/UCLA/Vandy is certainly not out of the realm of possibility, anything lower than 168 and it just doesn't make sense, since my score is honestly low for BU especially with the class they put together this year. I am definitely not mad at my parents at all in fact the total opposite, though i must admit their initial opposition to me taking the June retake ( which it seems to me is really without any sort of risk, if i bomb it i cancel the score and even if i do worse i won't lose my double deposits at BU or GW) was very irritating. Basically i see the June retake as a strong compromise, and i think in a way because my father is in his mid 60s the "rush" is more about him than me. He owns a company he wants me to work for after a few years of the big city law experience i want (if i am able to achieve this) and the longer my school is delayed, the longer I'm in a different state and not working for him. Slows the entire timetable, which i get. But at the end of the day i got 9 questions wrong on the logic games (ran out of time) still got a 165 on my first attempt, i know i can do better and want the chance. As you guys said, Top 14 is worth 165 dollar fee and 6 weeks of studying, when i have a spring class anyway to finish undergrad.

[jbagelboy]

i completely agree with what your saying, which is why june is the only option. If i do get a 168 or better, i can show them that with my resume and early applications a school like Georgetown/Cornell/UCLA/Vandy is certainly not out of the realm of possibility, anything lower than 168 and it just doesn't make sense, since my score is honestly low for BU especially with the class they put together this year. I am definitely not mad at my parents at all in fact the total opposite, though i must admit their initial opposition to me taking the June retake ( which it seems to me is really without any sort of risk, if i bomb it i cancel the score and even if i do worse i won't lose my double deposits at BU or GW) was very irritating. Basically i see the June retake as a strong compromise, and i think in a way because my father is in his mid 60s the "rush" is more about him than me. He owns a company he wants me to work for after a few years of the big city law experience i want (if i am able to achieve this) and the longer my school is delayed, the longer I'm in a different state and not working for him. Slows the entire timetable, which i get. But at the end of the day i got 9 questions wrong on the logic games (ran out of time) still got a 165 on my first attempt, i know i can do better and want the chance. As you guys said, Top 14 is worth 165 dollar fee and 6 weeks of studying, when i have a spring class anyway to finish undergrad.

I like your idea. not trying to give you a hard time. Good luck on the June retake!

[Ngoblue2014]

thank you for the advice!

[cron1834]

June 21?

Yeah, I don't understand this. I had a lot of beer tonight, but I remember it being like two weeks earlier than that when I signed up for June...

[NYSprague]

The exam is June 9th in the US. I'm not seeing a June 21 date anywhere. June 29 in Australia.


The registration deadline was may 6.

I think you need a 170. You have a couple of weeks, not 6 weeks.

[Nebby]

1% probs.

[Ngoblue2014]

optimism haha