Pepperdine vs UC irvine Forum

[mermaidprincess92]

I received a bigger scholarship from Pepperdine but it seems like UC Irvine is doing better with job placement, which would be a better choice? I am looking to work in the LA area, and will have a decent amount of financial help from my family so loans aren't a huge concern, I just want to make the choice that will make it easier to get the better job.

[BigZuck]

Neither school gives you a very good shot at getting a good job if you're a schmo. If you happen to be an attractive female then your chances are somewhat better (wondering based on the avatar/username).

I guess if I was dying to spend my rich parents money and I was forcing myself to choose between these two schools I would roll with UCI. But, if I wanted to invest my parent's money wisely and/or give myself a reasonable shot at a good job I would find a way into Stanford, Cal, USC, or UCLA. Most of the other schools in CA should be shut down, I wouldn't even consider them.

[sometimesIwonder]

You gotta be kidding me. UCI and it's not even close. Pepperdine places about 3% I'm biglaw and another 2% of it's class in fed clerkships. In contrast, UCI places approx 20% of it's class in biglaw and another whopping 28% in clerkships. Where's the decision?

[Tiago Splitter]

You gotta be kidding me. UCI and it's not even close. Pepperdine places about 3% I'm biglaw and another 2% of it's class in fed clerkships. In contrast, UCI places approx 20% of it's class in biglaw and another whopping 28% in clerkships. Where's the decision?

Let's at least be honest about the most recent numbers, and keep in mind UCI's 2016 graduating class will be 50% larger than the one we just got data for.

http://www.law.uci.edu/careers/students ... -2013.html

http://law.pepperdine.edu/careers/curre ... s-2012.htm

[Cobretti]

The only placement stat UCI has over 20% for 2013 data is unemployment.

[BigZuck]

sometimesIwonder why people lie about stuff that's easily verifiable. Like employment statistics.

[giantsfan19192]

I'm actually choosing between those two schools myself, Irvine has better job placement now but I wonder if that will keep up with the larger classes. Also I prefer LA to OC so it's been a tough decision

[yeslekkkk]

I'm actually choosing between those two schools myself, Irvine has better job placement now but I wonder if that will keep up with the larger classes. Also I prefer LA to OC so it's been a tough decision

I vote Pepperdine. I don't find UCI's employment stats to be impressive. At least with Pepperdine, you have a larger alumni base and a bigger scholarship. With UCI, there are so many unknowns.

Think about what your end goal is for employment and really dig deep into the school's outcomes. Look at the quality of jobs. If you think one will help you get where you want to go, then go there. However, if neither do, then look for something else to do or find a way to get to a school that will get you there.

[Cobretti]

I'm actually choosing between those two schools myself, Irvine has better job placement now but I wonder if that will keep up with the larger classes. Also I prefer LA to OC so it's been a tough decision

It looks like while Pepperdine doesn't place particularly well in BigLaw or Clerkships, they are getting their students jobs with a relatively low unemployment %. Going there with a big scholly could be a fairly safe move IMO. Either school at sticker would be just signing yourself up for 20 years of indebted servitude under PAYE though.

[ZGr88n]

I received a bigger scholarship from Pepperdine but it seems like UC Irvine is doing better with job placement, which would be a better choice? I am looking to work in the LA area, and will have a decent amount of financial help from my family so loans aren't a huge concern, I just want to make the choice that will make it easier to get the better job.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=206299

[KD35]

You gotta be kidding me. UCI and it's not even close. Pepperdine places about 3% I'm biglaw and another 2% of it's class in fed clerkships. In contrast, UCI places approx 20% of it's class in biglaw and another whopping 28% in clerkships. Where's the decision?

Let's at least be honest about the most recent numbers, and keep in mind UCI's 2016 graduating class will be 50% larger than the one we just got data for.

http://www.law.uci.edu/careers/students ... -2013.html

http://law.pepperdine.edu/careers/curre ... s-2012.htm

+1

I advocate for Pepperdine.

[giantsfan19192]

Does anyone know how lawyers who hire feel about UCI? The response on TLS is so mixed and being from NorCal people I have spoken to don't seem to know much about UCI

[yeslekkkk]

You gotta be kidding me. UCI and it's not even close. Pepperdine places about 3% I'm biglaw and another 2% of it's class in fed clerkships. In contrast, UCI places approx 20% of it's class in biglaw and another whopping 28% in clerkships. Where's the decision?

Let's at least be honest about the most recent numbers, and keep in mind UCI's 2016 graduating class will be 50% larger than the one we just got data for.

http://www.law.uci.edu/careers/students ... -2013.html

http://law.pepperdine.edu/careers/curre ... s-2012.htm

+1

I advocate for Pepperdine.

Also, another thing to note is that these are employment summaries from different years. The Pepperdine one is from 2012. http://law.pepperdine.edu/careers/conte ... a-2013.pdf Here it is for 2013.

[Tiago Splitter]

Thanks for finding the 2013 Pepperdine stats my lazy ass couldn't.

UCI may very well be the better option but people need to look at the employment stats with a big grain of salt. That said, we know Pepperdine is terrible while there is some chance UCI won't be. We can shit talk UCI for increasing its class to 126 but Pepperdine is still at 201.

[zman]

Thanks for finding the 2013 Pepperdine stats my lazy ass couldn't.

UCI may very well be the better option but people need to look at the employment stats with a big grain of salt. That said, we know Pepperdine is terrible while there is some chance UCI won't be. We can shit talk UCI for increasing its class to 126 but Pepperdine is still at 201.

UCI has no choice but to increase its class size to pay all the expensive professors chereminsky hired to create a "top 20" school. They want 200 at minimum so they will continue to increase class size.

[Big Dog]

Retake.

[Tiago Splitter]

Thanks for finding the 2013 Pepperdine stats my lazy ass couldn't.

UCI may very well be the better option but people need to look at the employment stats with a big grain of salt. That said, we know Pepperdine is terrible while there is some chance UCI won't be. We can shit talk UCI for increasing its class to 126 but Pepperdine is still at 201.

UCI has no choice but to increase its class size to pay all the expensive professors chereminsky hired to create a "top 20" school. They want 200 at minimum so they will continue to increase class size.

Great. I'll stick to the facts, which show that UCI has had 119 and 126 1L's in the last two classes. If they go to 200 this year then that should concern the OP. If they don't get there until 2020 then that means nothing to someone graduating in 2017.

[zman]

Thanks for finding the 2013 Pepperdine stats my lazy ass couldn't.

UCI may very well be the better option but people need to look at the employment stats with a big grain of salt. That said, we know Pepperdine is terrible while there is some chance UCI won't be. We can shit talk UCI for increasing its class to 126 but Pepperdine is still at 201.

UCI has no choice but to increase its class size to pay all the expensive professors chereminsky hired to create a "top 20" school. They want 200 at minimum so they will continue to increase class size.

Great. I'll stick to the facts, which show that UCI has had 119 and 126 1L's in the last two classes. If they go to 200 this year then that should concern the OP. If they don't get there until 2020 then that means nothing to someone graduating in 2017.

They plan to get to 200 eventually, it won't happen overnight. I assume they will have between 140-150 for 2014-2017, that's still significant.

[BentleyLittle]

I spoke to a 1L that told me they're targeting 200 for this entering class. I've also heard 150 from a fellow perspective student. Either way it seems like the number is going up.

[zman]

I spoke to a 1L that told me they're targeting 200 for this entering class. I've also heard 150 from a fellow perspective student. Either way it seems like the number is going up.

If they are targetting 200 this class, their median LSAT will COLLAPSE.

[californiauser]

If money isn't a concern, why not hire a private lsat tutor and retake? I wouldn't be comfortable attending these schools even for free.

[Tiago Splitter]

I spoke to a 1L that told me they're targeting 200 for this entering class. I've also heard 150 from a fellow perspective student. Either way it seems like the number is going up.

If they are targetting 200 this class, their median LSAT will COLLAPSE.

Which is why it's hard to believe. Whatever plans UCI had were fashioned back when the law school scam was much healthier. Now that it's on life support they have to adjust just like everyone else. We'll see if they do.

And yes, neither of these schools is worth attending.

[BigZuck]

If money isn't a concern, why not hire a private lsat tutor and retake? I wouldn't be comfortable attending these schools even for free.

Elle Woods tar+rich 22 year old tells me this is unlikely

Looked like she was open to a retake in December though based on her post history, so maybe?

[timbs4339]

I spoke to a 1L that told me they're targeting 200 for this entering class. I've also heard 150 from a fellow perspective student. Either way it seems like the number is going up.

If they are targetting 200 this class, their median LSAT will COLLAPSE.

Which is why it's hard to believe. Whatever plans UCI had were fashioned back when the law school scam was much healthier. Now that it's on life support they have to adjust just like everyone else. We'll see if they do.

And yes, neither of these schools is worth attending.

Short term pecuniary interest of law professors > long term sustainability of school.

[Tiago Splitter]

I spoke to a 1L that told me they're targeting 200 for this entering class. I've also heard 150 from a fellow perspective student. Either way it seems like the number is going up.

If they are targetting 200 this class, their median LSAT will COLLAPSE.

Which is why it's hard to believe. Whatever plans UCI had were fashioned back when the law school scam was much healthier. Now that it's on life support they have to adjust just like everyone else. We'll see if they do.

And yes, neither of these schools is worth attending.

Short term pecuniary interest of law professors > long term sustainability of school.

I generally agree with that but we've been hearing about "UCI to 200" since 2009. Anyone attending UCI this fall really only needs to worry about the number of others enrolling in their class year.