GULC debt free? Forum

[JimH52]

Hey guys,

So Georgetown Law is the highest ranked school I've been accepted to this cycle. I was hoping to get into Cornell but I guess it wasn't meant to be. I live in NYC and would like to work here if possible after law school. Unfortunately retaking isn't an option for me because I have a 170+ LSAT already and the reason I haven't been able to get into higher ranked schools is probably my GPA ( it's below 25th percentile for every school in the top 14).

I happen to be in a fortunate situation in that my family is going to be able to pay for my law school education + any living expenses. Obviously I don't want to throw my parents money away but I do really want to go to law school. As of right now Big Law is my goal.

I guess my question is what would you guys do in my situation? I know Georgetown isn't the best school in the country but would graduating without debt make it worth it to you?

Also if you could not quote this that would be great, thanks guys!

[CanadianWolf]

To which other law schools did you apply ? Your numbers (173,3.45) should have yielded a few T-14 acceptances. With a year or two of post-undergraduate work experience, Northwestern should accept you.

[JimH52]

I applied to Cornell, Duke, Michigan, Penn, Virginia, Columbia, Chicago, NYU. Wait listed at all of them

[jk148706]

I applied to Cornell, Duke, Michigan, Penn, Virginia, Columbia, Chicago, NYU. Wait listed at all of them

Omg that is brutal.

But u will get off one if you make it clear u want to attend

[JimH52]

You mean basically just begging in a LOCI? lol

[CanadianWolf]

Work for a year & reapply. Consider Northwestern. In the meantime, fight for Chicago, NYU & Columbia as well as for Virginia & Penn to get more bang for your parents' bucks.

[Tiago Splitter]

Yeah just ride those waitlists. If your family is paying anyway and you want biglaw you might as well hold out for one that places better than Georgetown.

[JimH52]

I might be completely wrong about this but I thought getting off wait lists was near impossible at top 14 schools?

[CanadianWolf]

Some things are worth "fighting for". If you view it as begging, then at least do it in a sincere & sophisticated manner in person & via LOCIs.

[hichvichwoh]

I would ride the waitlist out and put a serious effort into LOCI's, but I wouldn't wait another cycle since your LSAT is fine, you can't do anything about your GPA, and a year of work experience won't make a huge impact on your resume unless you score something really awesome

[Tiago Splitter]

I might be completely wrong about this but I thought getting off wait lists was near impossible at top 14 schools?

Not in the last few years where there has been a massive decline in applicants. Chances are decent that you'll get off of at least one, but it's certainly no guarantee. Definitely get ready to put together a few LOCIs.

[hichvichwoh]

I might be completely wrong about this but I thought getting off wait lists was near impossible at top 14 schools?

nah, it happens

[aboutmydaylight]

I applied to Cornell, Duke, Michigan, Penn, Virginia, Columbia, Chicago, NYU. Wait listed at all of them

There's a difference between GULC for free when your opportunity cost is Michigan at sticker, and GULC for free when your opportunity cost is literally any other better ranked school you can get in to for free.

Am I correct in assuming your parents will cover your entire COA regardless of which school you go to? If that's the case, the "free" part should literally be a non factor in your decision making.

Try to get off a waitlist. Someone will need a 173.

[JimH52]

Some things are worth "fighting for". If you view it as begging, then at least do it in a sincere & sophisticated manner in person & via LOCIs.

Yeah I definitely think you guys are right and I'll write the LOCIs for the schools. It would make me so happy to get off one of the wait lists. Not to say I'm not happy with G-town I guess I just thought I'd get in somewhere higher ranked.

[JimH52]

I applied to Cornell, Duke, Michigan, Penn, Virginia, Columbia, Chicago, NYU. Wait listed at all of them

There's a difference between GULC for free when your opportunity cost is Michigan at sticker, and GULC for free when your opportunity cost is literally any other better ranked school you can get in to for free.

Am I correct in assuming your parents will cover your entire COA regardless of which school you go to? If that's the case, the "free" part should literally be a non factor in your decision making.

Try to get off a waitlist. Someone will need a 173.

Yeah they will pay no matter the school. Do you think I actually have a good shot to get off a wait list?

[jk148706]

I would ride the waitlist out and put a serious effort into LOCI's, but I wouldn't wait another cycle since your LSAT is fine, you can't do anything about your GPA, and a year of work experience won't make a huge impact on your resume unless you score something really awesome

But predictions indicate even fewer applicants next cycle, so even the same numbers could see a boost.

[jk148706]

I applied to Cornell, Duke, Michigan, Penn, Virginia, Columbia, Chicago, NYU. Wait listed at all of them

There's a difference between GULC for free when your opportunity cost is Michigan at sticker, and GULC for free when your opportunity cost is literally any other better ranked school you can get in to for free.

Am I correct in assuming your parents will cover your entire COA regardless of which school you go to? If that's the case, the "free" part should literally be a non factor in your decision making.

Try to get off a waitlist. Someone will need a 173.

Yeah they will pay no matter the school. Do you think I actually have a good shot to get off a wait list?

Yes. There is a very good chance you will imo

[CanadianWolf]

In your situation, strong numbers & waitlisted everywhere as a well qualified full-pay applicant, admissions offices should welcome your LOCI & phone/in-person follow-up. Easy to do at NYU & Columbia since you live in NYC. If funds are not a concern, then a visit to Chicago should be considered.

[JimH52]

In your situation, strong numbers & waitlisted everywhere as a well qualified full-pay applicant, admissions offices should welcome your LOCI & phone/in-person follow-up. Easy to do at NYU & Columbia since you live in NYC. If funds are not a concern, then a visit to Chicago should be considered.

This might be a silly question but is that something I would put in a LOCI? That they don't have to give me a scholarship and my parents will pay? Is that a really obnoxious thing to say?

[yossarian]

I would ride the waitlist out and put a serious effort into LOCI's, but I wouldn't wait another cycle since your LSAT is fine, you can't do anything about your GPA, and a year of work experience won't make a huge impact on your resume unless you score something really awesome

But predictions indicate even fewer applicants next cycle, so even the same numbers could see a boost.

Source? I was worried next cycle would be harder because of lurkers seeing the decline in applicants as their time to apply + the first "good news" for law hiring since recession.

[CanadianWolf]

It depends upon how you say it. For example, " As a waitlisted applicant, I would like to express my continuing interest in attending NYU law this fall. I realize that scholarship funds are probably unavailable & I am prepared to attend as a full-pay student."

[JimH52]

I would ride the waitlist out and put a serious effort into LOCI's, but I wouldn't wait another cycle since your LSAT is fine, you can't do anything about your GPA, and a year of work experience won't make a huge impact on your resume unless you score something really awesome

This is what I was thinking. I would be terrified to sit out a cycle and have the same thing happen except also get wait listed at Georgetown.

[Hitchensian]

I applied to Cornell, Duke, Michigan, Penn, Virginia, Columbia, Chicago, NYU. Wait listed at all of them

I don't mean to say this rudely, but was there something else amiss with your applications that you're not telling us? Maybe a C&F issue or a risque personal statement?

It just seems bizarre that you got waitlisted at all of those schools, so I'm fishing for an explanation.

[CanadianWolf]

Georgetown is a great law school, but, bluntly speaking, the others are greater.

[JimH52]

The only thing I could see wrong with my app is I don't have impressive softs at all. But I'm not sure 1 year of work experience will change that.