IU Bloomington vs. Washington & Lee Forum

[Strongfaithgirl]

Which would you decide? Better big law prospects? Don't say retake. That is not what I asked. Let's see who can follow instructions....

[californiauser]

I'll play.

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-The schools you are considering
-The total Cost of Attendance (COA) of each. COA = cost of tuition + fees + books + cost of living (COL) + accumulated interest - scholarships.
-How you will be financing your COA, i.e. loans, family, or savings
-Where you are from and where you want to work, and other places where you have significant ties (if any)
-Your general career goals
-Your LSAT/GPA numbers
-How many times you have taken the LSAT

[thebobs1987]

Which would you decide? Better big law prospects? Don't say retake. That is not what I asked. Let's see who can follow instructions....

IUB will give you an ok shot at big law to the extent it exists in Indy. Small chance at Chicago and almost zero anywhere else. Same for W&L. It will give you an ok shot at Richmond to the extent it exists and small chance at DC.

I am not going to say to retake, but if you're not trolling, you should not be going to law school. Figure out where you want to live and practice first, then go to the best or cheapest law school for that area. You are applying all over the place and it doesn't make sense

[BigZuck]

For big law? Neither, retake. Chance at big law is way too remote from either school.

These two schools shouldn't actually be a consideration for the vast, vast majority of people. It is the rare person who has the requisite ties to Indiana and whereever W&L is located (Virginia?) that could help them get a job at a small firm, which would be a pretty solid triumph from either of these schools.

[BigZuck]

Which would you decide? Better big law prospects? Don't say retake. That is not what I asked. Let's see who can follow instructions....

IUB will give you an ok shot at big law to the extent it exists in Indy. Small chance at Chicago and almost zero anywhere else. Same for W&L. It will give you an ok shot at Richmond to the extent it exists and small chance at DC.

I am not going to say to retake, but if you're not trolling, you should not be going to law school. Figure out where you want to live and practice first, then go to the best or cheapest law school for that area. You are applying all over the place and it doesn't make sense

Define "OK." Ten-ish percent doesn't look all that ok to me.

[timbs4339]

Which would you decide? Better big law prospects? Don't say retake. That is not what I asked. Let's see who can follow instructions....

IUB will give you an ok shot at big law to the extent it exists in Indy. Small chance at Chicago and almost zero anywhere else. Same for W&L. It will give you an ok shot at Richmond to the extent it exists and small chance at DC.

I am not going to say to retake, but if you're not trolling, you should not be going to law school. Figure out where you want to live and practice first, then go to the best or cheapest law school for that area. You are applying all over the place and it doesn't make sense

Define "OK." Ten-ish percent doesn't look all that ok to me.

Not even casino slot machines have those terrible odds.

[cinephile]

You have an overwhelming chance of ending up without an legal career or with an extremely low-paying job out of either of these schools.

You don't want to retake because you're lazy. Laziness is a quality that will work against you in this profession. If you want to be a lawyer, you already know what you need to do. Retake and go to a better school. These schools exist only for those who are ok with small law in the local area and who will have low or no debt. If that's not you, then you shouldn't attend.

[unodostres]

Apparently you can't op. There is a sticky that is at the top of this forum. Now, read it. Come back. Learn to read and follow directions.

Then retake.

[rad lulz]

If you want big law, you need to retake and go to school where people actually get biglaw jerbs

Hth

[TheSpanishMain]

OP, what is it you don't get? Big Law is remote from either of these schools. W&L doesn't place people well into ANY sort of legal job (it's around 50% or so).

Where are you from? Where do you want to work? Do you realize that most law schools only place people into jobs in certain geographic areas?

This is not hard. Making endless threads where you tell people to follow directions ( ) is not going to change the right answer. You need to either retake for a decent score or change your goals. No one is trying to be rude to you or telling you retake to be a dick. They're honestly trying to help you avoid making a horrible decision. If you want to go ahead and make a horrible decision anyway, fine, it's your life. Just quit trying to get everyone to endorse it.

[TheSpanishMain]

whereever W&L is located (Virginia?)

Virginia is another one of those states with way too many law schools. It has one great one, UVA, and one pretty decent one (William and Mary.) Richmond, Regent, and George Mason basically don't need to exist. Add Washington and Lee to the "it can close" pile. It's more highly ranked than W&M, but it's in the middle of nowhere, serves no real market, is expensive, and has a crappy employment score.

[Gooner91]

You should probably retake for biglaw. And also check out this website: lawschooltransparency.com It will give you a better idea of which schools you can hope to attain biglaw jobs from. It seems from this and your previous posts you are somewhat uninformed of how schools place grads. I think with just a little bit of reading and research on there you will become much more informed and better able to communicate with other people about job prospects.
A little knowledge can go a long way and will help you not make a terrible soul crushing decision about your future.

[cron1834]

Are there massive scholarships involved? IU sent me a CRS email blah blah blah-ing about the giant scholarships I was eligible for...

[jk148706]

Neither for big law. Retake

ETA: steongfaithgirl is about to pass John1990 as my favorite poster

[Winston1984]

Neither for big law. Retake

ETA: steongfaithgirl is about to pass John1990 as my favorite poster

That's a bold statement. Need more black helicopters.

[raininthedesert]

UVA is a "great" law school...LOL. Now I understand why you chose the handle "You Dumb Dildo." UVA is certainly not a nationally portable brand.

Not sure how a 0L claims to be so knowledgeable about Virginia schools. I have no ties to the area or those schools but you obviously have a personal vendetta against Washington & Lee. William & Mary Law is equally isolated and can only fall back on its undergraduate reputation (admittedly a great undergraduate institution) to carry any subjective prestige at the graduate level (e.g., MBA, MS.Ed., etc.).

[A. Nony Mouse]

UVA is certainly not a nationally portable brand.

Um, what??

[sublime]

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[BigZuck]

UVA is certainly not a nationally portable brand.

Um, what??

Based on his or her two troll posts, quickest ban in tls history?

I don't really get why he has to make an account to defend the bottom feeders but I look forward to future posts.

[sublime]

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[raininthedesert]

Not defending the bottom feeders...just calling out my T4 peers, or in many cases apparently my future T4 peers, who as OL's seem to lack any sort of professional comportment in their evaluation of "regional" schools. I agree with the majority of advice with respect to retaking the LSAT, not attending law school, sticker vs. scholarship comparisons, etc. The fact that we are even discussing the University of Indiana at Bloomington (apples) vs. Washington & Lee (oranges) is ridiculous.

[raininthedesert]

Clarification: I'm not making fun of UVA Law. It's got a strong curriculum, strong faculty scholarship, and very smart students...but that certainly doesn't make it a nationally portable brand. Let's be honest T14 is yet another form of justification for feeling good about going to a school outside of T4. Period. Employment prospects below the median are not good at UVA just like they are not good at U Michigan.

[sublime]

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[raininthedesert]

I would lament your lack of professionalism without hesitation. My only "attack" was certainly not personal and well-deserved if you look at the vitriol and ridiculousness of his litany of posts against a school he doesn't even attend. There's obviously more to the story and transparency is a reasonable request. My comments were objective and accurate.

[raininthedesert]

And there is nothing "sublime" about a young black man happily yielding a gun as your avatar. Thanks for reinforcing stereotypes.