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MistakenGenius · Post by **MistakenGenius** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:57 pm

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mephistopheles · Post by **mephistopheles** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:58 pm

wow, nice original op.

i definitely haven't seen lay prestige hashed out before.

also, egregious pro-georgetttown trolling

MistakenGenius · Post by **MistakenGenius** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:18 pm

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Steveloblaw · Post by **Steveloblaw** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:19 pm

Depends on location. I'm not sure any school has more lay prestige out west than Stanford.

xylocarp · Post by **xylocarp** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:30 pm

MistakenGenius wrote:
mephistopheles wrote:wow, nice original op.

i definitely haven't seen lay prestige hashed out before.

also, egregious pro-georgetttown trolling
I've been around for a few months and I've never seen one before. How is that pro-Georgetown trolling? Georgetown has a ridiculous national reputation with most people, it was tough for it not to be higher. Georgetown's employment numbers and stingy scholarships doesn't matter to them, it still has a huge reputation. If you disagree, then all you have to do is have your own list.

Yeah I agree with you about Georgetown. I may have even put it higher. I hear people all the time say things like, "Oh, he went to Georgetown for law school? He must be a GENIUS."

cotiger · Post by **cotiger** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:32 pm

MistakenGenius wrote:This is not a flame.

This is kind of like saying "I'm not racist, but..."

MistakenGenius wrote: Harvard and Yale really could switch places in my mind and I wouldn't argue, both make the panties drop.

hephaestus · Post by **hephaestus** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:54 pm

You should probably use the search function since there have been approximately ten thousand threads on this.

rad lulz · Post by **rad lulz** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 4:53 pm

EvMont · Post by **EvMont** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 5:10 pm

MistakenGenius wrote:This is not a flame. I just had this talk with a friend who asked me about different law schools. He was absolutely shocked University of Chicago is such an amazing school because he had never heard of it as a major law school. Also, because we're in the southeast, Stanford is viewed as just a bit ahead of Duke with Columbia being slightly better. Obviously, we care about employment and how the school does with jobs, but it did make me think about the differences in how the legal community views schools vs the general public. So, what do you think the top 14 schools are in lay preftige? Obviously, this will vary by region and social group so I think it could lead to interesting conversation. Here are my guesses.

1.) Harvard
2.) Yale (Harvard and Yale really could switch places in my mind and I wouldn't argue, both make the panties drop. Harvard's just the H bomb.
3.) Columbia
4.) Stanford
5.) Penn
6.) Duke
7.) Berkeley
8.) Georgetown
9.) Cornell
10.) NYU
11.) Vanderbilt
12.) UVA
13.) UCLA
14.) Michigan

Honorable mentions- Northwestern, Texas, Notre Dame, and Emory

Your thoughts?

You're probably not gonna get many positive responses with the conversation laid out as you have it. Rather than trying to start a general conversation, come up with a concrete question. E.g. what schools have more prestige in the South? Is CLS at sticker worth it if I want to end up in [INSERT STATE/REGION HERE]?

Also, if you have to start a thread with "This is not a flame," that should be a ready indicator that you just shouldn't create the thread.

jbagelboy · Post by **jbagelboy** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 5:20 pm

I'd point out that your philistine friends' lack of familiarity with the University of Chicago says nothing about the relative prestige and academic/professional acclaim that institution holds nationwide. Their ignorance speaks more to failures of their knowledge/character than any perceived failure to gain recognition on the part of UChicago.

In fact, the city of Chicago seems to be a generic blindspot here. Northwestern University is far more well regarded in elite social circles, in the business community, in lay conversation, and in academia than UCLA, NYU, UT, ND, Emory, or even Michigan.

umichman · Post by **umichman** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 5:41 pm

I know as my name suggests, i may seem biased. But OP's rankings are possibly the most arbitrary and ignorant rankings I have ever seen.

californiauser · Post by **californiauser** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 6:04 pm

Most people think Penn is Penn State. No way it has more lay prestige than Duke, Berkeley, Cornell, or Georgetown

jbagelboy · Post by **jbagelboy** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 6:49 pm

umichman wrote:I know as my name suggests, i may seem biased. But OP's rankings are possibly the most arbitrary and ignorant rankings I have ever seen.

To this point, I think its generally acknowledged that Berkeley/UVA/Michigan all carry the same national lay prestige and recognition, with UCLA trailing by a decent margin.

2014 · Post by **2014** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 6:58 pm

You literally made a thread with the sole intention of purpose of excluding U.Chicago. Did we reject you or something? You seem awfully mad.

banjo · Post by **banjo** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 8:34 pm

MistakenGenius wrote:Harvard and Yale really could switch places in my mind and I wouldn't argue, both make the panties drop.

Yeah...this is how a conversation in a decent NYC bar will actually go:

Girl: "So what do you do?"
Guy: "Oh, I'm a one-el at Harvard Law School."
Girl: "A one-el?"
Guy: "Yeah, a first-year at Harvard Law."
Girl: "Oh...that's cool...so you're still a student."
Guy: "Yeah, so what about you?"
Girl: "I'm an associate at Goldman Sachs."

MistakenGenius · Post by **MistakenGenius** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 9:11 pm

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jbagelboy · Post by **jbagelboy** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 9:27 pm

banjo wrote:
MistakenGenius wrote:Harvard and Yale really could switch places in my mind and I wouldn't argue, both make the panties drop.
Yeah...this is how a conversation in a decent NYC bar will actually go:

Girl: "So what do you do?"
Guy: "Oh, I'm a one-el at Harvard Law School."
Girl: "A one-el?"
Guy: "Yeah, a first-year at Harvard Law."
Girl: "Oh...that's cool...so you're still a student."
Guy: "Yeah, so what about you?"
Girl: "I'm an associate at Goldman Sachs."

lol so true ;/ esp meatpacking or fidi or les. In brooklyn they'll just think you're a douchebag.

A. Nony Mouse · Post by **A. Nony Mouse** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 9:33 pm

Why do you care about a law school's prestige outside of the legal profession, where you will presumably be trying to get a job?

twenty · Post by **twenty** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 9:45 pm

73-year old coworker: "Why even bother applying to Stanford? People only know Stanford on the west coast -- Notre Dame has international reputation."

Kikero · Post by **Kikero** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 9:57 pm

banjo wrote:
MistakenGenius wrote:Harvard and Yale really could switch places in my mind and I wouldn't argue, both make the panties drop.
Yeah...this is how a conversation in a decent NYC bar will actually go:

Girl: "So what do you do?"
Guy: "Oh, I'm a one-el at Harvard Law School."
Girl: "A one-el?"
Guy: "Yeah, a first-year at Harvard Law."
Girl: "Oh...that's cool...so you're still a student."
Guy: "Yeah, so what about you?"
Girl: "I'm an associate at Goldman Sachs."

OP's in the Southeast though. That means law school, even Cooley, is pretty impressive.

rad lulz · Post by **rad lulz** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 10:07 pm

2014 · Post by **2014** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 10:07 pm

MistakenGenius wrote:I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings

I accept your apology and your impending amended list that has U.Chi in it's rightful 4th place.

kbc · Post by **kbc** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 10:24 pm

Princeton Law is probably considered T10 in the layperson's mind.

umichman · Post by **umichman** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 10:32 pm

Kikero wrote:
banjo wrote:
MistakenGenius wrote:Harvard and Yale really could switch places in my mind and I wouldn't argue, both make the panties drop.
Yeah...this is how a conversation in a decent NYC bar will actually go:

Girl: "So what do you do?"
Guy: "Oh, I'm a one-el at Harvard Law School."
Girl: "A one-el?"
Guy: "Yeah, a first-year at Harvard Law."
Girl: "Oh...that's cool...so you're still a student."
Guy: "Yeah, so what about you?"
Girl: "I'm an associate at Goldman Sachs."
OP's in the Southeast though. That means law school, even Cooley, is pretty impressive.

yes

MistakenGenius · Post by **MistakenGenius** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 11:45 pm

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