New York Law School vs. W&L Forum
-
- Posts: 8
- Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:40 pm
New York Law School vs. W&L
I'm deciding between New York Law School (Full Ride) and Washington & Lee (20k/year scholarship).
I'm at 155/3.5 and I'm a URM (Retaking the LSAT is not an option).
I have been working in New York government for the past 3 years and I have a strong network, family, and I want to work in New York.
However, I'm concerned about having New York Law School on my resume given it's reputation. Is it worth paying the money to go to W&L given its higher rank (although lacking the NYC connection).
Also, I did not apply until after Christmas, do you think my chances would improve if I re-applied on Sep. 1st for next cycle at the likes of Fordham, Cardozo Brooklyn, (maybe even NYU/Columbia; I was waitlisted at Columbia and then rejected)?
Thanks
I'm at 155/3.5 and I'm a URM (Retaking the LSAT is not an option).
I have been working in New York government for the past 3 years and I have a strong network, family, and I want to work in New York.
However, I'm concerned about having New York Law School on my resume given it's reputation. Is it worth paying the money to go to W&L given its higher rank (although lacking the NYC connection).
Also, I did not apply until after Christmas, do you think my chances would improve if I re-applied on Sep. 1st for next cycle at the likes of Fordham, Cardozo Brooklyn, (maybe even NYU/Columbia; I was waitlisted at Columbia and then rejected)?
Thanks
- dr123
- Posts: 3497
- Joined: Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:38 am
Re: New York Law School vs. W&L
You have to retake the LSAT. If you've already taken it three times, then wait until enough time has passed.
- jbagelboy
- Posts: 10361
- Joined: Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:57 pm
Re: New York Law School vs. W&L
Definitely reapply, even if you dont retake. New york ls isnt a real school; Id go for any of the other NYC law schools over it.
-
- Posts: 1947
- Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:55 am
Re: New York Law School vs. W&L
(Edit: The linked post says you were a rising 2L at Cornell last summer: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 4#p5640824. So what's this post about?)
Don't go to either of those schools under any circumstances. By far the smartest move would be to retake (and it is definitely an option, since no one is going to shoot you if you retake), but 3.5/155/URM should still give you much better options than these. Important question: what kind of URM?
As for NYLS, it's a complete joke of a school that fails to put even 40% of its grads into full-time, long-term, JD-required jobs within nine months of graduation. We're not just talking about BigLaw here. More than three out of five NYLS grads will not get any actual lawyer job by the last time the school takes count. Also, you cannot consider yourself to have a full ride, because almost 50% of NYLS students lose their scholarships after their first year. You have a one-year full ride and nothing else at this point.
W&L put less than half of its 2012 grads into FT/LT/JD-required work within nine months of graduation. A $20K per year scholarship still sticks you with more than $160K in non-dischargeable debt at repayment. That's utter madness for a school that doesn't even give you a coin's flip chance at a job as a lawyer, much less at a job that will enable you to meet your loan payments.
Don't go to either of those schools under any circumstances. By far the smartest move would be to retake (and it is definitely an option, since no one is going to shoot you if you retake), but 3.5/155/URM should still give you much better options than these. Important question: what kind of URM?
As for NYLS, it's a complete joke of a school that fails to put even 40% of its grads into full-time, long-term, JD-required jobs within nine months of graduation. We're not just talking about BigLaw here. More than three out of five NYLS grads will not get any actual lawyer job by the last time the school takes count. Also, you cannot consider yourself to have a full ride, because almost 50% of NYLS students lose their scholarships after their first year. You have a one-year full ride and nothing else at this point.
W&L put less than half of its 2012 grads into FT/LT/JD-required work within nine months of graduation. A $20K per year scholarship still sticks you with more than $160K in non-dischargeable debt at repayment. That's utter madness for a school that doesn't even give you a coin's flip chance at a job as a lawyer, much less at a job that will enable you to meet your loan payments.
Last edited by Ti Malice on Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:12 am, edited 1 time in total.
Want to continue reading?
Register now to search topics and post comments!
Absolutely FREE!
Already a member? Login
-
- Posts: 117
- Joined: Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:58 pm
Re: New York Law School vs. W&L
At first glance, I thought it said you got a full ride to NYU Law School with a 155 and 3.5 lol. My mind was blown at the power of the URM status.
-
- Posts: 1947
- Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:55 am
Re: New York Law School vs. W&L
Just in case this gets lost in the shuffle, can you please explain why this current post exists if you were in fact a rising 2L at Cornell last summer?
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 4#p5640824
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 4#p5640824
- Monochromatic Oeuvre
- Posts: 2481
- Joined: Fri May 10, 2013 9:40 pm
Re: New York Law School vs. W&L
LOLTi Malice wrote:Just in case this gets lost in the shuffle, can you please explain why this current post exists if you were in fact a rising 2L at Cornell last summer?
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 4#p5640824
I can't wait to hear the explanation for this one.
- you'rethemannowdawg
- Posts: 211
- Joined: Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:36 pm
Re: New York Law School vs. W&L
+1Monochromatic Oeuvre wrote:LOLTi Malice wrote:Just in case this gets lost in the shuffle, can you please explain why this current post exists if you were in fact a rising 2L at Cornell last summer?
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 4#p5640824
I can't wait to hear the explanation for this one.
- guano
- Posts: 2264
- Joined: Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:49 am
Re: New York Law School vs. W&L
It also seems highly unlikely that someone getting money at W&L doesn't have better NYC options
-
- Posts: 2399
- Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:21 pm
Re: New York Law School vs. W&L
Well this definitely makes this thread more interesting.Ti Malice wrote:Just in case this gets lost in the shuffle, can you please explain why this current post exists if you were in fact a rising 2L at Cornell last summer?
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 4#p5640824
-
- Posts: 1213
- Joined: Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:10 am
Re: New York Law School vs. W&L
Learning a trade > either of these options
-
- Posts: 1417
- Joined: Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:04 pm
Re: New York Law School vs. W&L
Looks like this flame and/or liar didn't do a very good job covering his tracks.you'rethemannowdawg wrote:+1Monochromatic Oeuvre wrote:LOLTi Malice wrote:Just in case this gets lost in the shuffle, can you please explain why this current post exists if you were in fact a rising 2L at Cornell last summer?
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 4#p5640824
I can't wait to hear the explanation for this one.
- hob12
- Posts: 106
- Joined: Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:09 pm
Re: New York Law School vs. W&L
I'm a student at another NY school. Do not go to NYLS, to lawyers in the city its a huge joke.
WL is much more respected, if your determined to go next year, go there.
WL is much more respected, if your determined to go next year, go there.
Register now!
Resources to assist law school applicants, students & graduates.
It's still FREE!
Already a member? Login