UMN 84k or GWU at sticker or close to it Forum

[BitterSplitter]

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[NoodleyOne]

Not retaking. Not reapplying.

Don't wanna live or work in Minn if I can help it. NY LA DC SF are the four major markets I'm interested in. Boston also. Big law or bust more or less. High interest in politics but no concrete plans for it. M&A is the end goal right now. Please advise with reasoning.

Oh, you want Biglaw not in Minnesota? Neither of these options are good for that.

You should retake.

Edit: Just saw your stats... Honestly, your only chance at T14 is a retake for NU, but even that isn't a lock. Your goals are going to be hard to reach. That price isn't bad for Minnesota, I guess... what would the COA be?

[BitterSplitter]

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[BitterSplitter]

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[sinfiery]

GWU gives you a better chance at your goals from graduation but it would be financial suicide to take that option.

Go to UMN, gun for MN biglaw, and attempt to lateral out of MN after a few years.

[Doorkeeper]

Both of these are absolutely horrible options.

[rad lulz]

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[NoodleyOne]

http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=minnesota

http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=gw

Okay, when you factor school-funded out of GW, their employment outcomes are pretty much the same, but GW has a better chance at Biglaw. Still, we're talking only a 2 in 3 chance at being a lawyer at either (assuming GW's school-funded is of the scam variety... admittedly very conservative outlook).

I don't like either of these options. Is taking a few years off and getting some WE an option? That could give you time for a retake, distance yourself from your GPA, and give you a better shot at the T14 (especially NU). Your GPA is really going to hold you back.

Edit: Another option would be to ask Minny if they'll defer you for a year, find out how to get residency, move there and get said residency, then enjoy dat in-state tuition and nearly a free ride.

[worldtraveler]

http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=minnesota

http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=gw

Okay, when you factor school-funded out of GW, their employment outcomes are pretty much the same, but GW has a better chance at Biglaw. Still, we're talking only a 2 in 3 chance at being a lawyer at either (assuming GW's school-funded is of the scam variety... admittedly very conservative outlook).

I don't like either of these options. Is taking a few years off and getting some WE an option? That could give you time for a retake, distance yourself from your GPA, and give you a better shot at the T14 (especially NU). Your GPA is really going to hold you back.

Edit: Another option would be to ask Minny if they'll defer you for a year, find out how to get residency, move there and get said residency, then enjoy dat in-state tuition and nearly a free ride.

Don't go there and call it that or someone might punch you

[jbagelboy]

I read somewhere you posted that you were making ~$60K at a firm right now. so sticking with that might be best.

The 84K at UMN is a good outcome for your stats. Doesn't make it a good option for your goals, but oh well that's the situation you're in. Minnesota is a better school than GW IMO. They can actually get you a legal job (albeit not a biglaw one) in the twin cities if you try. I would take sinf's advice and go to minnesota, try to establish residency (although without ties this won't come into play until 3L if at all), suck up the shitty winters and fight to graduate top quarter of your class, work at Dorsey then lateral out to Chicago when you get the chance.

The road to your goals won't be clear either way, so if you want to practice biglaw you're going to have to deal with the insecurity of probably not getting it and use that energy to motivate you to do better than everyone else. I don't know what else to say, there's no guarantee of success for you here but you knew that when you tanked your undergrad GPA.

Minneapolis is actually a nice city and at minimum you will have a decent QoL for a few years as a law student. just get a motherfuckin winter coat cause IT BE FREEZING LIKE A BITCH

[TheNextAmendment]

Sorry to hear that GW finally turned you down for aid bittersplitter. Any luck with grants though? Or is that your "or close to sticker" remark? Either way UMN at that price is better than GW at sticker. Gl bro.

[Kalinda]

I read somewhere you posted that you were making ~$60K at a firm right now. so sticking with that might be best.

The 84K at UMN is a good outcome for your stats. Doesn't make it a good option for your goals, but oh well that's the situation you're in. Minnesota is a better school than GW IMO. They can actually get you a legal job (albeit not a biglaw one) in the twin cities if you try. I would take sinf's advice and go to minnesota, try to establish residency (although without ties this won't come into play until 3L if at all), suck up the shitty winters and fight to graduate top quarter of your class, work at Dorsey then lateral out to Chicago when you get the chance.

The road to your goals won't be clear either way, so if you want to practice biglaw you're going to have to deal with the insecurity of probably not getting it and use that energy to motivate you to do better than everyone else. I don't know what else to say, there's no guarantee of success for you here but you knew that when you tanked your undergrad GPA.

Minneapolis is actually a nice city and at minimum you will have a decent QoL for a few years as a law student. just get a motherfuckin winter coat cause IT BE FREEZING LIKE A BITCH

Minneapolis is a great city, and is definitely underrated. Some people have suggested moving to Minnesota to establish residency and get a job for a year, is that a possibility for you? If yes, then go for it.

Dorsey is a big firm in Minneapolis that UMN students gun for, but also Minnesota natives who attend school in different states (T14). Doing well enough to get Dorsey and then lateral to Chicago is DIFFICULT. You would have to be at least top 15% of your UMN class (maybe lower if you have great WE). All of that sounds like a really big gamble. GW is also a gamble, but if you are COMPLETELY opposed to being in the Twin Cities for work, I don't know how much UMN can do for you unless you have connections elsewhere. I know GW at sticker is an immediate NO on this forum, but I can't recommend UMN knowing you are against living in MN in the long term, because the degree is not portable to SF/NYC/DC/CHI unless you have some real connections.

[rickgrimes69]

Don't go to UMN if you don't want to work in Minnesota. Also don't go to UMN if you want Biglaw (they only place ~10%)
Don't go to GW at sticker or close to it. It's financial suicide, and you're only marginally more likely to get Biglaw (~25%)

You should either redefine your goals, suck it up and retake in 2014, or stick with your current job (the last option gets my vote).

[HBBJohnStamos]

Not retaking. Not reapplying.

Don't wanna live or work in Minn if I can help it. NY LA DC SF are the four major markets I'm interested in. Boston also. Big law or bust more or less. High interest in politics but no concrete plans for it. M&A is the end goal right now. Please advise.

(actual retard)

[Gunnar Stahl]

Not retaking. Not reapplying.

Don't wanna live or work in Minn if I can help it. NY LA DC SF are the four major markets I'm interested in. Boston also. Big law or bust more or less. High interest in politics but no concrete plans for it. M&A is the end goal right now. Please advise.

neither

[timbs4339]

You need to seriously readjust your career goals and apply to some lower ranked places for near to a full ride. The bigcity biglaw boat has sailed. Sorry.

[paulinaporizkova]

You are an idiot.

[gitguy]

http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=minnesota

http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=gw

Okay, when you factor school-funded out of GW, their employment outcomes are pretty much the same, but GW has a better chance at Biglaw. Still, we're talking only a 2 in 3 chance at being a lawyer at either (assuming GW's school-funded is of the scam variety... admittedly very conservative outlook).

I don't like either of these options. Is taking a few years off and getting some WE an option? That could give you time for a retake, distance yourself from your GPA, and give you a better shot at the T14 (especially NU). Your GPA is really going to hold you back.

Edit: Another option would be to ask Minny if they'll defer you for a year, find out how to get residency, move there and get said residency, then enjoy dat in-state tuition and nearly a free ride.

How does one distance themself from their gpa?

[BitterSplitter]

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[Dr. Dre]

don't go to law school

[BigZuck]

don't go to law school

Basically this. Or, go to a lesser ranked school on a full ride and gun for small law. I just don't see your goals happening with that gpa. But that's ok, if you really have a 60K job right now you're in good shape, ride that thing into the ground.

[hephaestus]

You need to seriously readjust your career goals and apply to some lower ranked places for near to a full ride. The bigcity biglaw boat has sailed. Sorry.

Yes. Your goals are incredibly unrealistic for either school. Not going is always an option.

[jbagelboy]

I read somewhere you posted that you were making ~$60K at a firm right now. so sticking with that might be best.

The 84K at UMN is a good outcome for your stats. Doesn't make it a good option for your goals, but oh well that's the situation you're in. Minnesota is a better school than GW IMO. They can actually get you a legal job (albeit not a biglaw one) in the twin cities if you try. I would take sinf's advice and go to minnesota, try to establish residency (although without ties this won't come into play until 3L if at all), suck up the shitty winters and fight to graduate top quarter of your class, work at Dorsey then lateral out to Chicago when you get the chance.

The road to your goals won't be clear either way, so if you want to practice biglaw you're going to have to deal with the insecurity of probably not getting it and use that energy to motivate you to do better than everyone else. I don't know what else to say, there's no guarantee of success for you here but you knew that when you tanked your undergrad GPA.

Minneapolis is actually a nice city and at minimum you will have a decent QoL for a few years as a law student. just get a motherfuckin winter coat cause IT BE FREEZING LIKE A BITCH

Minneapolis is a great city, and is definitely underrated. Some people have suggested moving to Minnesota to establish residency and get a job for a year, is that a possibility for you? If yes, then go for it.

Dorsey is a big firm in Minneapolis that UMN students gun for, but also Minnesota natives who attend school in different states (T14). Doing well enough to get Dorsey and then lateral to Chicago is DIFFICULT. You would have to be at least top 15% of your UMN class (maybe lower if you have great WE). All of that sounds like a really big gamble. GW is also a gamble, but if you are COMPLETELY opposed to being in the Twin Cities for work, I don't know how much UMN can do for you unless you have connections elsewhere. I know GW at sticker is an immediate NO on this forum, but I can't recommend UMN knowing you are against living in MN in the long term, because the degree is not portable to SF/NYC/DC/CHI unless you have some real connections.

Yea I think we're saying the same thing. Per the bolded I'm giving OP a ~15% chance of achieving his goals going to UMN, but only a 20-25% chance of catastrophic failure. On the other hand, GWU presents maybe 20% chance of achieving his goals but with a nearly 65% chance of said failure.

[PRgradBYU]

don't go to law school

This. Or retake.

[UVAIce]

I read somewhere you posted that you were making ~$60K at a firm right now. so sticking with that might be best.

The 84K at UMN is a good outcome for your stats. Doesn't make it a good option for your goals, but oh well that's the situation you're in. Minnesota is a better school than GW IMO. They can actually get you a legal job (albeit not a biglaw one) in the twin cities if you try. I would take sinf's advice and go to minnesota, try to establish residency (although without ties this won't come into play until 3L if at all), suck up the shitty winters and fight to graduate top quarter of your class, work at Dorsey then lateral out to Chicago when you get the chance.

The road to your goals won't be clear either way, so if you want to practice biglaw you're going to have to deal with the insecurity of probably not getting it and use that energy to motivate you to do better than everyone else. I don't know what else to say, there's no guarantee of success for you here but you knew that when you tanked your undergrad GPA.

Minneapolis is actually a nice city and at minimum you will have a decent QoL for a few years as a law student. just get a motherfuckin winter coat cause IT BE FREEZING LIKE A BITCH

Minneapolis is a great city, and is definitely underrated. Some people have suggested moving to Minnesota to establish residency and get a job for a year, is that a possibility for you? If yes, then go for it.

Dorsey is a big firm in Minneapolis that UMN students gun for, but also Minnesota natives who attend school in different states (T14). Doing well enough to get Dorsey and then lateral to Chicago is DIFFICULT. You would have to be at least top 15% of your UMN class (maybe lower if you have great WE). All of that sounds like a really big gamble. GW is also a gamble, but if you are COMPLETELY opposed to being in the Twin Cities for work, I don't know how much UMN can do for you unless you have connections elsewhere. I know GW at sticker is an immediate NO on this forum, but I can't recommend UMN knowing you are against living in MN in the long term, because the degree is not portable to SF/NYC/DC/CHI unless you have some real connections.

Just as a random aside, almost everyone I know who knows anything about the Minnesota legal market has negative things to say about Dorsey.

But seriously, don't go to the U MN if you have no desire to practice in Minnesota.