How is this legal? TU Law. Forum

[TheNextAmendment]

I'm sure most of you who clicked the box on LSAC to receive notifications from schools received this email, but most likely deleted it without ever looking into it simply because its from the University of Tulsa. I like to read them just out of pure curiosity. An email titled "TU Law Has Strong 2012 Graduate Employment Rate" partly read:

"The University of Tulsa College of Law is a Top 100 Law School, having jumped 61 spots in the last 4 years, with a nationally ranked law library and solid graduate placement rates. Our 2012 employment rate of 91.8% is well above the national average of 82% as reported by the ABA. Further, TU Law is ranked 29th for full time, long-term positions where either bar passage is required or a JD is an advantage."

LST reports TU Law at 58.2% employment with a 12.7% under-employment score as seen here:
http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=tulsa

1. Am I missing anything or are they really pulling stats out of nowhere?
2. How is this legal?
3. Is this common?


This thread was not meant to slam TU Law, but moreover to inquire about their claimed stats. Figured this was the right place for the thread, if not Mod obviously feel free to move it.
Thanks.
-thelastamendment

[usfvictor]

look at the ABA information on their LST score report. They are technically not lying (as long as the stats are legit ) since they had a graduating class of 134 with 123 being employed = 91.7% employment rate. Remember with LST, they conclude their score % using a diff formula (Bar Passage Required – Part-Time Jobs – Short-Term Jobs – Solo Practitioners) / All Graduates.

[dan k]

I'm sure most of you who clicked the box on LSAC to receive notifications from schools received this email, but most likely deleted it without ever looking into it simply because its from the University of Tulsa. I like to read them just out of pure curiosity. An email titled "TU Law Has Strong 2012 Graduate Employment Rate" partly read:

"The University of Tulsa College of Law is a Top 100 Law School, having jumped 61 spots in the last 4 years, with a nationally ranked law library and solid graduate placement rates. Our 2012 employment rate of 91.8% is well above the national average of 82% as reported by the ABA. Further, TU Law is ranked 29th for full time, long-term positions where either bar passage is required or a JD is an advantage."

LST reports TU Law at 58.2% employment with a 12.7% under-employment score as seen here:
http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=tulsa

1. Am I missing anything or are they really pulling stats out of nowhere?
2. How is this legal?
3. Is this common?


This thread was not meant to slam TU Law, but moreover to inquire about their claimed stats. Figured this was the right place for the thread, if not Mod obviously feel free to move it.
Thanks.
-thelastamendment

I guess with JD advantage added in they technically wouldn't be "lying" ,but its hard to believe that with the recent demand for greater transparency and honesty about the state of the legal market there are still schools willing to push that old "90%" employment thing. or maybe its not hard to believe.

a whole bunch of law students would probably say no, this isn't legal (http://nymag.com/news/features/law-schools-2012-3/)

whether the courts agree I guess we'll find out.

[PRgradBYU]

I imagine TU is factoring non-legal work and part-time jobs into its employment rate.

[patrickd139]

I imagine TU is factoring non-legal work and part-time jobs into its employment rate.

This.

Also, lulz at "nationally ranked law library."

[TheNextAmendment]

look at the ABA information on their LST score report. They are technically not lying (as long as the stats are legit ) since they had a graduating class of 134 with 123 being employed = 91.7% employment rate. Remember with LST, they conclude their score % using a diff formula (Bar Passage Required – Part-Time Jobs – Short-Term Jobs – Solo Practitioners) / All Graduates.

Oh I see. So this is practically another one of those "Well yeah they're employed somewhere doing something so well count that even though they might not even be using their j.d" bs?
Tough love from Tulsa.

[reasonable_man]

LST deserves a lot of credit for the work they do. If not for LST, it would be far more work for the average applicant to uncover the true employment outcomes at a school like this ... What a sham, I mean shame, I mean both.

[nickb285]

Also, lulz at "nationally ranked law library."

How many chairs does it have?