American vs Indiana vs Lewis & Clark need to decide tomorrow Forum

[jamie3]

I really want to wait another year, but I know doing so will cost me more in the end.

Can you explain how you came to this conclusion? I think it's really going to cost you more in the end, from a big-picture perspective, to go this year.

Yes, I am risking growing my debt because of the financial situation I have here. I am sure it will get out of hand and I will hit bankruptcy, before I do, I am hoping to get into law school, since I fear bankruptcy will ruin my chances.

[flem]

Yes, I am risking growing my debt because of the financial situation I have here. I am sure it will get out of hand and I will hit bankruptcy, before I do, I am hoping to get into law school, since I fear bankruptcy will ruin my chances.

1) Elaborate
2) The nifty thing about your fucked up situation now is you can discharge your debt through bankruptcy, but you can't do the same with 200K of student loans.

[Samara]

I really want to wait another year, but I know doing so will cost me more in the end.

Can you explain how you came to this conclusion? I think it's really going to cost you more in the end, from a big-picture perspective, to go this year.

Yes, I am risking growing my debt because of the financial situation I have here. I am sure it will get out of hand and I will hit bankruptcy, before I do, I am hoping to get into law school, since I fear bankruptcy will ruin my chances.

Have you been approved for government loans for this year? Do you have a job? I'm unclear on how you'll be able to avoid bankruptcy by taking on more debt.

[CanadianWolf]

Beg Columbia for admission.

[jamie3]

Beg Columbia for admission.

I have done this, but so far nothing.



I fixed my debt situation, but if something bad happens here, the debt situation will balloon quickly. I do have government loans and scholarships. I will use that to fund the school.

Wanted to reiterate, that yes if I do go into bankruptcy now, I can discharge the debt, but it will cause more problems too, I might lose everything, which I fear would be harder than the alternative debt load of law school.

[CanadianWolf]

What category of URM ?

A 3.63/163 URM should have more than one Top 14 law school acceptance--assuming that your use of the term "URM" is correct with respect to law school admissions.

[jamie3]

What category of URM ?

A 3.63/163 URM should have more than one Top 14 law school acceptance--assuming that your use of the term "URM" is correct with respect to law school admissions.

I am pretty much not sure, but I don't want to elaborate too much on my URM status. I believe I am slightly URM but not all the way. Anyways, I only applied to Yale, and Columbia, each rather late. Yale denied me, but Columbia reserve listed me. I believe they completed my application in late March. Anyways, hopefully I will here back from them.

My regret this cycle was applying late, and not applying to all the Top 14 schools.

[CanadianWolf]

Reapply next application cycle to all T-14 law schools except Yale since you were rejected by Yale this cycle. You may have received little or no scholarship money from American, L&C, and Indiana because they assumed that you would be attending a T-14 law school if you are a URM with a 3.63/163.

[jamie3]

Reapply next application cycle to all T-14 law schools except Yale since you were rejected by Yale this cycle. You may have received little or no scholarship money from American, L&C, and Indiana because they assumed that you would be attending a T-14 law school if you are a URM with a 3.63/163.

Oh, wow, I had not even consider that as being a possibility. I am considering next cycle, since I could most likely end up in a top 14.

But without even considering this, right now I am trying to decide whether to believe anything American has told me. I will also have to consider Lewis and Clark for a small while.

[sambeber]

I believe I am slightly URM but not all the way.

What is this I don't even...

[flem]

Wait, you're a 3.5/16X/URM and this is what you have?

For fucks sake you don't even have to retake the LSAT. Enjoy the T14 next year, just apply early.

[jamie3]

I believe I am slightly URM but not all the way.

What is this I don't even...

I mean, I am mixed.

[ze2151]

oh sweet lord. i don't know what's happening here.

op- please don't go to any of those schools.

and today, paul campos over at insidethelawschoolscam.blogspot.com has a nice little feature on the perils of going to COLUMBIA at sticker. how much worse would it be to go to the options you've listed?

rules to live by:
1. every school at sticker is a bad idea. (oh hush, TLS, HYS are bad bets if you're going to have 300k in debt at the end)
2. every school with an employment score under 60 on LST is a terrible idea.

[sambeber]

I believe I am slightly URM but not all the way.

What is this I don't even...

I mean, I am mixed.

You're probably going to need to go into more detail about your background to get an accurate assessment here. Not all URM's are created equal.

[flem]

I mean, I am mixed.

If you're NA/AA/MA/PR then you're good

[jamie3]

Wait, you're a 3.5/16X/URM and this is what you have?

For fucks sake you don't even have to retake the LSAT. Enjoy the T14 next year, just apply early.

Yes, I know my chances are good, so I am tempted to wait. Columbia even told me I was highly qualified for their program, so I am considering this option. However, for now, I will continue to check out the options I have now, in case waiting is not possible.

I am leaning towards Portland, if I have no chance to wait.

Also thanks for the information Ze2151.

The only reason I even considered American was because of the top law school posting about the school that referred to it as having a National status, also I was thinking mentioning to people that I was a DC lawyer would have a greater impact than saying I am a Portland Lawyer, but I think I am wrong, because I think I can be a DC lawyer as long as I make it to DC.


Also I am Asian/PR

[Wakelaw15]

Wait, you're a 3.5/16X/URM and this is what you have?

For fucks sake you don't even have to retake the LSAT. Enjoy the T14 next year, just apply early.

Yes, I know my chances are good, so I am tempted to wait. Columbia even told me I was highly qualified for their program, so I am considering this option. However, for now, I will continue to check out the options I have now, in case waiting is not possible.

I am leaning towards Portland, if I have no chance to wait.

Also thanks for the information Ze2151.

The only reason I even considered American was because of the top law school posting about the school that referred to it as having a National status, also I was thinking mentioning to people that I was a DC lawyer would have a greater impact than saying I am a Portland Lawyer, but I think I am wrong, because I think I can be a DC lawyer as long as I make it to DC.


Also I am Asian/PR

wow, I thought the OP was a troll until I got to this part. TLS should really either heavily revise their LS profiles or take them down, because I agree they are misleading.

[Nova]

But without even considering this, right now I am trying to decide whether to believe anything American has told me. I will also have to consider Lewis and Clark for a small while.

The only reason I even considered American was because of the top law school posting about the school that referred to it as having a National status, also I was thinking mentioning to people that I was a DC lawyer would have a greater impact than saying I am a Portland Lawyer, but I think I am wrong, because I think I can be a DC lawyer as long as I make it to DC.

Seriously? Everyone here has told you the truth. About 2 out of 3 American grads WILL NEVER PRACTICE LAW. THE ONES THAT DO GET JOBS WILL LIKELY NEVER BE ABLE TO PAY THEIR DEBT BACK. IT IS A SCAM.

If you attend any of these schools this year after what the posters ITT have told you, then you deserve to drown in debt and live in financial ruin.

[top30man]

But without even considering this, right now I am trying to decide whether to believe anything American has told me. I will also have to consider Lewis and Clark for a small while.

Seriously? Everyone here has told you the truth. About 2 out of 3 American grads WILL NEVER PRACTICE LAW. THE ONES THAT DO GET JOBS GET WILL LIKELY NEVER BE ABLE TO PAY THEIR DEBT BACK. IT IS A SCAM.

If you attend any of these schools this year after what the posters ITT have told you, then you deserve to drown in debt and live in financial ruin.

Harsh, but yeah. OP, or anyone, has no business with these schools for these prices.

[CanadianWolf]

As a Puerto Rican/ Asian mix, you should be admitted to more than one T-14 law school with a 163/3.63. Reapply early next cycle & expect much better results. Do not apply beyond the top 18 law schools unless seeking a large scholarship from a regional law school which places well in your targeted region.

P.S. Enjoy Cornell ! Or Michigan, Penn, Virginia, etc.

[jamie3]

As a Puerto Rican/ Asian mix, you should be admitted to more than one T-14 law school with a 163/3.63. Reapply early next cycle & expect much better results. Do not apply beyond the top 18 law schools unless seeking a large scholarship from a regional law school which places well in your targeted region.

P.S. Enjoy Cornell ! Or Michigan, Penn, Virginia, etc.

Thank you

[SaintsTheMetal]

TLS should really either heavily revise their LS profiles or take them down, because I agree they are misleading.

+1. those things are fucking terrible. They make Golden Gate, likely the law school with the WORST likely return on your money, sound like a decent school to go to. The owner of TLS must get some kind of kickback money for having that shit posted...on the first google result for most all law school related searches no less.

[Samara]

TLS should really either heavily revise their LS profiles or take them down, because I agree they are misleading.

+1. those things are fucking terrible. They make Golden Gate, likely the law school with the WORST likely return on your money, sound like a decent school to go to. The owner of TLS must get some kind of kickback money for having that shit posted...on the first google result for most all law school related searches no less.

Haha, slow down there, friend. The reason why they are so inaccurate in tone is because they were written in the freewheeling days of pre-ITE. Employment outcomes have changed dramatically since the crash.

[afitouri]

I'm a native Oregonian, and I can say that Lewis and Clark is huge here, people recognize it more than Mich Ann Arbor or Northwestern. BUT!

I've never met anyone outside of Oregon and Washington who has ever even heard of it. Cali has Berkeley, UCLA, Stanford, Davis, USC, all ranked ahead of Lewis and Clark. Plus, rumor has it that the Cali bar exam is tough for people who did not go to school in Cali. So if you want to work there, go to school there.

[afitouri]

As a Puerto Rican/ Asian mix, you should be admitted to more than one T-14 law school with a 163/3.63. Reapply early next cycle & expect much better results. Do not apply beyond the top 18 law schools unless seeking a large scholarship from a regional law school which places well in your targeted region.

P.S. Enjoy Cornell ! Or Michigan, Penn, Virginia, etc.

Thank you

This is a bit of an exaggeration. Better stated that you have a *chance* at these big schools. But, more importantly, if you're thinking about DC with these numbers you can almost certainly get into GW and maybe Georgetown.