Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015) Forum

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Can Cornell please release medians already....

I doubt our median dropped.

Care to elaborate? Cornell's 75% LSAT was 166 in 2003:

http://www.ilrg.com/rankings/law/index. ... THigh/2003

That same year there were quite a few more applications than there were this year:

http://www.lsac.org/lsacresources/data/ ... ummary.asp


But yeah, I doubt they drop. Dropping significantly would be suicide for a school. They have to figure something out. Maybe fudge the numbers a bit and say it was an honest mistake? A lot of that going on these days...

[VUSisterRayVU]

Can Cornell please release medians already....

I doubt our median dropped.

Care to elaborate? Cornell's 75% LSAT was 166 in 2003:

http://www.ilrg.com/rankings/law/index. ... THigh/2003

That same year there were quite a few more applications than there were this year:

http://www.lsac.org/lsacresources/data/ ... ummary.asp


But yeah, I doubt they drop. Dropping significantly would be suicide for a school. They have to figure something out. Maybe fudge the numbers a bit and say it was an honest mistake? A lot of that going on these days...

I think using 2003 for a historical basis is probably a bit misguided. Since Cornell's 75% wasn't 170, I don't think they'd have problems gaming it to maintain 169.

[Real Madrid]

Unhelpful post:

NYU's LSAT split is 169/173 (down one point from last year), but they didn't tell us whether the median was 170 or 171.

Wat, I'd be shocked if they went from 172 to 170. Even 172 to 171 is huge.

Considering who Chicago and NYU was letting in come April, I'm shocked they were only hit by a 1 point drop...

It will be interesting to see which schools have the LSAC "certify" the numbers they report to the ABA for the fall 2012 entering class. http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2012/06/19/law ... at-scores/. Something is starting to smell quite fishy with many of these schools reporting almost identical class sizes as the entering fall 2011 class, and relatively the same medians as well after a 15% drop in applications.

I think it will be possible for the top schools to maintain medians for a little while. What could very well happen is that schools like Chicago, Penn, Duke and Michigan - each of which often don't take splitters and reverse-splitters that usually have no place to go in the T-14 but UVA, GULC and Northwestern - could start accepting more of those students. That way, they can maintain medians at the expense of their 25th percentiles. If USNWR would consider 25/75 splits in their rankings, schools like UVA would plummet, but as it stands they have no motivation to keep reasonable 25ths.

[HBBJohnStamos]

Can Cornell please release medians already....

I doubt our median dropped.

Care to elaborate? Cornell's 75% LSAT was 166 in 2003:

http://www.ilrg.com/rankings/law/index. ... THigh/2003

That same year there were quite a few more applications than there were this year:

http://www.lsac.org/lsacresources/data/ ... ummary.asp


But yeah, I doubt they drop. Dropping significantly would be suicide for a school. They have to figure something out. Maybe fudge the numbers a bit and say it was an honest mistake? A lot of that going on these days...

You do realize that the whole "reporting only the highest score" policy went into effect in 2006, right?

[danquayle]

Can Cornell please release medians already....

I doubt our median dropped.

Care to elaborate? Cornell's 75% LSAT was 166 in 2003:

http://www.ilrg.com/rankings/law/index. ... THigh/2003

That same year there were quite a few more applications than there were this year:

http://www.lsac.org/lsacresources/data/ ... ummary.asp


But yeah, I doubt they drop. Dropping significantly would be suicide for a school. They have to figure something out. Maybe fudge the numbers a bit and say it was an honest mistake? A lot of that going on these days...

You do realize that the whole "reporting only the highest score" policy went into effect in 2006, right?

and thus was triumphantly brought into this world:

retake /thread

[bernaldiaz]

OP has Notre Dame at a 161 LSAT median. That can't possibly be true, right?

[justonemoregame]

I think it will be possible for the top schools to maintain medians for a little while. What could very well happen is that schools like Chicago, Penn, Duke and Michigan - each of which often don't take splitters and reverse-splitters that usually have no place to go in the T-14 but UVA, GULC and Northwestern - could start accepting more of those students. That way, they can maintain medians at the expense of their 25th percentiles. If USNWR would consider 25/75 splits in their rankings, schools like UVA would plummet, but as it stands they have no motivation to keep reasonable 25ths.[/quote]


lolplummet Still grinding that uva axe? Their 25ths are same as Berkeley, which seems to do fine with a 167 median

[Nova]

OP has Notre Dame at a 161 LSAT median. That can't possibly be true, right?

Damn, it was 167 just 2 years ago...

[bernaldiaz]

OP has Notre Dame at a 161 LSAT median. That can't possibly be true, right?

Damn, it was 167 just 2 years ago...

Yeah that has to be a typo

[Real Madrid]

I think it will be possible for the top schools to maintain medians for a little while. What could very well happen is that schools like Chicago, Penn, Duke and Michigan - each of which often don't take splitters and reverse-splitters that usually have no place to go in the T-14 but UVA, GULC and Northwestern - could start accepting more of those students. That way, they can maintain medians at the expense of their 25th percentiles. If USNWR would consider 25/75 splits in their rankings, schools like UVA would plummet, but as it stands they have no motivation to keep reasonable 25ths.

lolplummet Still grinding that uva axe? Their 25ths are same as Berkeley, which seems to do fine with a 167 median

I thought it was pretty common knowledge that Berkeley is a T10 school despite its medians whereas UVa is a T10 school because of them. (Berkeley's LSAT medians and 25th LSATs are the lowest in the T14, so that comparison doesn't exactly make UVA look good. Nevertheless, Berk's 25th GPA is almost two-tenths of a point higher - a pretty big difference when it comes to GPAs.)

Regardless, though I feel embarrassed for UVa because of their admissions practices, it's really all USNWR's fault and I totally understand why they do it.

[JamMasterJ]

Unhelpful post:

NYU's LSAT split is 169/173 (down one point from last year), but they didn't tell us whether the median was 170 or 171.

This is helpful and good news. Splits are more useful for some of us than straight medians.

It was kinda weird that they didn't tell us the actual medians.
Anyway our 25th gpa was 3.54, and I believe our 75th gpa was 3.84

[Real Madrid]

Unhelpful post:

NYU's LSAT split is 169/173 (down one point from last year), but they didn't tell us whether the median was 170 or 171.

This is helpful and good news. Splits are more useful for some of us than straight medians.

It was kinda weird that they didn't tell us the actual medians.
Anyway our 25th gpa was 3.54, and I believe our 75th gpa was 3.84

Is that an improvement or is that down from a year ago?

[stillwater]

OP has Notre Dame at a 161 LSAT median. That can't possibly be true, right?

Damn, it was 167 just 2 years ago...

Yeah that has to be a typo

I was curious about that too. Their website has the new data for the Class of 2015 up and 161 is their 25th percentile. Median is 166.

[JamMasterJ]

Unhelpful post:

NYU's LSAT split is 169/173 (down one point from last year), but they didn't tell us whether the median was 170 or 171.

This is helpful and good news. Splits are more useful for some of us than straight medians.

It was kinda weird that they didn't tell us the actual medians.
Anyway our 25th gpa was 3.54, and I believe our 75th gpa was 3.84

Is that an improvement or is that down from a year ago?

Both down, IIRC

[jmoney]

I think it will be possible for the top schools to maintain medians for a little while. What could very well happen is that schools like Chicago, Penn, Duke and Michigan - each of which often don't take splitters and reverse-splitters that usually have no place to go in the T-14 but UVA, GULC and Northwestern - could start accepting more of those students. That way, they can maintain medians at the expense of their 25th percentiles. If USNWR would consider 25/75 splits in their rankings, schools like UVA would plummet, but as it stands they have no motivation to keep reasonable 25ths.

lolplummet Still grinding that uva axe? Their 25ths are same as Berkeley, which seems to do fine with a 167 median

I thought it was pretty common knowledge that Berkeley is a T10 school despite its medians whereas UVa is a T10 school because of them. (Berkeley's LSAT medians and 25th LSATs are the lowest in the T14, so that comparison doesn't exactly make UVA look good. Nevertheless, Berk's 25th GPA is almost two-tenths of a point higher - a pretty big difference when it comes to GPAs.)

Regardless, though I feel embarrassed for UVa because of their admissions practices, it's really all USNWR's fault and I totally understand why they do it.

This is on point.

[spicyyoda17]

I think it will be possible for the top schools to maintain medians for a little while. What could very well happen is that schools like Chicago, Penn, Duke and Michigan - each of which often don't take splitters and reverse-splitters that usually have no place to go in the T-14 but UVA, GULC and Northwestern - could start accepting more of those students. That way, they can maintain medians at the expense of their 25th percentiles. If USNWR would consider 25/75 splits in their rankings, schools like UVA would plummet, but as it stands they have no motivation to keep reasonable 25ths.

lolplummet Still grinding that uva axe? Their 25ths are same as Berkeley, which seems to do fine with a 167 median

I thought it was pretty common knowledge that Berkeley is a T10 school despite its medians whereas UVa is a T10 school because of them. (Berkeley's LSAT medians and 25th LSATs are the lowest in the T14, so that comparison doesn't exactly make UVA look good. Nevertheless, Berk's 25th GPA is almost two-tenths of a point higher - a pretty big difference when it comes to GPAs.)

Regardless, though I feel embarrassed for UVa because of their admissions practices, it's really all USNWR's fault and I totally understand why they do it.

This is on point.

For those of us new to this game, what is it about UVA admissions that is so bad?

[top30man]

I think it will be possible for the top schools to maintain medians for a little while. What could very well happen is that schools like Chicago, Penn, Duke and Michigan - each of which often don't take splitters and reverse-splitters that usually have no place to go in the T-14 but UVA, GULC and Northwestern - could start accepting more of those students. That way, they can maintain medians at the expense of their 25th percentiles. If USNWR would consider 25/75 splits in their rankings, schools like UVA would plummet, but as it stands they have no motivation to keep reasonable 25ths.

lolplummet Still grinding that uva axe? Their 25ths are same as Berkeley, which seems to do fine with a 167 median

I thought it was pretty common knowledge that Berkeley is a T10 school despite its medians whereas UVa is a T10 school because of them. (Berkeley's LSAT medians and 25th LSATs are the lowest in the T14, so that comparison doesn't exactly make UVA look good. Nevertheless, Berk's 25th GPA is almost two-tenths of a point higher - a pretty big difference when it comes to GPAs.)

Regardless, though I feel embarrassed for UVa because of their admissions practices, it's really all USNWR's fault and I totally understand why they do it.

This is on point.

For those of us new to this game, what is it about UVA admissions that is so bad?

Nothing is bad, but people get frustrated with how numbers oriented it is. To achieve their medians with a large class they rely on splitter ED applicants. You are almost automatically admitted if one of your two numbers is at or above median. However, pretty much every T14 is numbers focused to a degree.

[soj]

For those of us new to this game, what is it about UVA admissions that is so bad?

Nothing is bad, but people get frustrated with how numbers oriented it is. To achieve their medians with a large class they rely on splitter ED applicants. You are almost automatically admitted if one of your two numbers is at or above median. However, pretty much every T14 is numbers focused to a degree.

This. It seems unfair to many people that a 3.04/171 (below one median, above another, a lock for ED UVA) has a better chance of getting into UVA than a 3.82/169 (below both medians, most likely WL at best). Like top30 said, UVA is not the only school that does this, though.

[Tom Joad]

I thought it was pretty common knowledge that Berkeley is a T10 school despite its medians whereas UVa is a T10 school because of them. (Berkeley's LSAT medians and 25th LSATs are the lowest in the T14, so that comparison doesn't exactly make UVA look good. Nevertheless, Berk's 25th GPA is almost two-tenths of a point higher - a pretty big difference when it comes to GPAs.)

Regardless, though I feel embarrassed for UVa because of their admissions practices, it's really all USNWR's fault and I totally understand why they do it.

On a scale of 1 (ate turkey sandwiches all day) to 10 (ate Flamin' Hot Cheetos™ all day) how butthurt are you that the top public school in the nation dinged you?

[HBBJohnStamos]

Back to post that? You're better than that.

[Tom Joad]

Back to post that? You're better than that.

I had a few other posts and that tard is the definition of a one trick pony. That Red Sox Dodgers trade is nuts though. Talked to a big time Sox fan that was in favor of it though. I told him you don't trade A-Gon.

[HarlandBassett]

For those of us new to this game, what is it about UVA admissions that is so bad?

Nothing is bad, but people get frustrated with how numbers oriented it is. To achieve their medians with a large class they rely on splitter ED applicants. You are almost automatically admitted if one of your two numbers is at or above median. However, pretty much every T14 is numbers focused to a degree.

This. It seems unfair to many people that a 3.04/171 (below one median, above another, a lock for ED UVA) has a better chance of getting into UVA than a 3.82/169 (below both medians, most likely WL at best). Like top30 said, UVA is not the only school that does this, though.

how does the timing of the 3.04/171 admit affect scholly money? (b/c i read somewhere LSs toss more money for waitlisted-then-accepted students)

[soj]

how does the timing of the 3.04/171 admit affect scholly money? (b/c i read somewhere LSs toss more money for waitlisted-then-accepted students)

ED: no money.
RD: Some money. It may be that students accepted later get more money, but the opposite could also be true. No idea. Definitely a greater risk of not getting in.

[Real Madrid]

I thought it was pretty common knowledge that Berkeley is a T10 school despite its medians whereas UVa is a T10 school because of them. (Berkeley's LSAT medians and 25th LSATs are the lowest in the T14, so that comparison doesn't exactly make UVA look good. Nevertheless, Berk's 25th GPA is almost two-tenths of a point higher - a pretty big difference when it comes to GPAs.)

Regardless, though I feel embarrassed for UVa because of their admissions practices, it's really all USNWR's fault and I totally understand why they do it.

On a scale of 1 (ate turkey sandwiches all day) to 10 (ate Flamin' Hot Cheetos™ all day) how butthurt are you that the top public school in the nation dinged you?

On a scale of 1 (mildly uneducated) to 10 (Sarah Palin), how stupid does one have to be to think UVA is the top public school in the world?

[smaug_]

On a scale of 1 (ate turkey sandwiches all day) to 10 (ate Flamin' Hot Cheetos™ all day) how butthurt are you that the top public school in the nation dinged you?

On a scale of 1 (mildly uneducated) to 10 (Sarah Palin), how stupid does one have to be to think UVA is the top public school in the world?