Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015) Forum

Wakelaw15 · Post by **Wakelaw15** » Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:59 am

If you have info on class size for your school (class of 2014 to class of 2015 change) or the change in median (class of 2014 to class of 2015) post in this thread. I've been told that Wake Forest kept its medians of the past, but since the wording on this is vague (not specific to class of 2012) i'm guessing there may have been some drop.

***IF YOU WOULD PREFER NOT TO POST NUMBERS IN THIS THREAD FEEL FREE TO PM THEM TO ME INSTEAD***

Total students enrolled
class of 2015/2014

Wake Forest 126/185 (-59)
Vanderbilt 173/193 (-20)
U. Minnesota ~220/245 (~-25)
UC Davis 191/192 (-1)
Hamline ~134/~200 (~-66)
St. Thomas ~150/~150 (no change)
Walter Mitchell 260/309 (-49)
Arizona St. 152/171 (-19)
U. Arizona 125/158 (-33)
U. Texas 300/375 (-75)
UC Hastings 317/414 (-97)
Penn State 170/220 (-50)
WUSTL 203/242 (-39)
UGA 189/225 (-36)
George Mason 147/186 (-39)
George Washington 400/474 (-74)
Valapraiso 163/218 (-55)
Notre Dame 178/183 (-5)
William & Mary 196/217 (-21)
NYU 453/450 (+3)
Seattle University 287/322 (-35)
Case Western 160/195 (-35)
cooley law school reportedly down several hundred (not included in overall figure)
UVA 358/357 (+1)
U. Kansas 141/141 (0)
Indiana 202/240 (-38)
U. Alabama 155/165 (-10)
USC 188/199 (-11)
Nebraska 136/128 (+8)
Gonzaga smaller class size
University of Houston 216/252 (-48)
Loyola Chicago 283/274 (+9)
BU 211/242 (-31)
CU 153/164 (-11)
Yale 203/205 (-2)
SUNY Buffalo 205/185 (+30)
Wayne state 148/181 (-33)
Michigan St. 298/307 (-9)
U. Michigan 345/359 (-14)
Rutgers-Newark 226/224 (+2)
BC 246/268(-22)
St. Johns 270/293(-23)
U. Chicago 184/195(-11)
Yale 203/205(-2)
Columbia 368/397(-29)
U. Conn 151/181(-30)
Albany 202/233(-31)
UNC 241/248(-7)
Oregon 147/183(-36)
Gonzaga 132/176(-44)
Syracuse 245/255(-10)
Marquette 226/213(+13)
Willamette 136/141(-5)
Vermont 172/151(+21)
Louisville 140/148(+8)
Temple 253/270(-13)
USD 247/300(-53)
Fordham 433/479(-46)
Nova S.eastern 380/354(+26)
Pitt 212/230(-18)
Hawaii 86/116(-30)
Seton Hall 206/266(-60)
Florida State: 187/200 (-13)
Stetson 300/344 (-44)
Oklahoma City 177/201 (-24)
Santa Clara 243/287 (-44)
UCLA 309/320 (-11)
LSU ~200/236(-36)
Duke 208/211 (-3)
New England Law 452/385(+67)

OVERALL (~1,477 fewer students at the above 69 schools).

Medians (LSAT-with change in parentheses; GPA-with change in parentheses)

Wake Forest (#44): 163(0), 3.66(+.06)*** props to WFU for recruiting a smaller class and improving its stats in this law school market.
Vandy (#16): 169 (0), 3.7 (-.03)
UC Davis (#29): 163 (-1), 3.6 (-.03)
University of Georgia (#34): 164 (-1), 3.67 (+.08)
George Mason (#39): 163 (-1), 3.7 (-.02)
U Alabama 165 (0), 3.83 (0)
William & Mary 164 (-1), 3.74 (+.01)
Virginia (#7): 170 (0), 3.87 (+.01)
U. Kansas 157 (0), 3.51 (0)
Indiana U. 164 (-2), 3.8
USC (#18): 167 (0), 3.73 (+.04),
Nebraska (#89): 158 (+1), 3.64 (+.13)
Gonzaga (#113): 155 (0), 3.27 (-.06)
University of Houston 161 (0), 3.47 (+.05)
Berkeley 167 (0), 3.81 (+.02)
CU 164 (0), 3.67 (+.03)
SUNY Buffalo 156 (-1), 3.51 (-.06)
Cornell 167 (-1), 3.68 (+.05)
Wayne State 156 (-1), 3.38 (-.01)
WUSTL 166 (-2), 3.68 (-.02)
UCLA 168, 3.78
BU 166(-1), 3.75(+.03)
BC 164(-1), 3.61(-.05)
Michigan State 157(0), 3.54(0)
Yale 173, 3.9
Columbia 172, 3.71
Charleston 152(0), 3.21(+.08)
UConn 159(0), 3.45(0)
Albany 152(-1), 3.31(0)
UNC 162(-1), 3.5(-.01)
Oregon 158(-1), 3.33(-.06)
Gonzaga 155(0), 3.27(-.06)
Kentucky 158(-1), 3.51(-.06)
Syracuse 153(-2), 3.28(-.08)
Florida 162(0), 3.59(-.05)
Drake 155(-1), 3.30(-.1)
Marquette 155(0), 3.4(+.05)
Willamette 153(-2), 3.18(+.03)
Vermont 153(-1), 3.22(-.04)
Louisville 156(0), 3.44(+.02)
Temple 161(+1), 3.42(+.03)
San Diego 160(0), 3.5(+.07)
Nova S.eastern 150(0), 3.14(-.08)
Hofstra 157(-2), 3.27(-.05)
Seton Hall 158(-1), 3.5(no change)
UCLA (#15): 168 (0), 3.78 (0),
UC Davis (#29): 163 (-1), 3.6 (-.03)
UC Hastings (#44): 162 (0), 3.59 (-.01)
New England law 149(-3), 3.06(-.13)

dingbat · Post by **dingbat** » Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:18 am

Wakelaw15 wrote:Wake forest has announced that the soon to be 1L class size will be 130 students, down from 185 last year, which is a 30% decrease. I'm happy to hear this since it seems like its good for the school and all students applying for legal jobs in the area.

If you have info on class size for your school (class of 2014 to class of 2015 change) post in this thread.

Makes me think it'll be easy to transfer into Wake next year

Wakelaw15 · Post by **Wakelaw15** » Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:22 am

dingbat wrote:
Wakelaw15 wrote:Wake forest has announced that the soon to be 1L class size will be 130 students, down from 185 last year, which is a 30% decrease. I'm happy to hear this since it seems like its good for the school and all students applying for legal jobs in the area.

If you have info on class size for your school (class of 2014 to class of 2015 change) post in this thread.
Makes me think it'll be easy to transfer into Wake next year

Very possible, but they're not going to have 55 people transfer in (especially given the widespread awareness of the concerns about attending law school at sticker price).

dingbat · Post by **dingbat** » Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:23 am

Wakelaw15 wrote:
dingbat wrote:
Wakelaw15 wrote:Wake forest has announced that the soon to be 1L class size will be 130 students, down from 185 last year, which is a 30% decrease. I'm happy to hear this since it seems like its good for the school and all students applying for legal jobs in the area.

If you have info on class size for your school (class of 2014 to class of 2015 change) post in this thread.
Makes me think it'll be easy to transfer into Wake next year
Very possible, but they're not going to have 55 people transfer in (especially given the widespread awareness of the concerns about attending law school at sticker price).

There are plenty of students at T3/T4 who'd be happy to trade up

Nova · Post by **Nova** » Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:02 pm

Minnesota schools: '14 -> '15:

UMN: 245 -> ~220 (-10%)

WM: 309 -> ~250 (-19%)
StT: ~150 -> ~150
Ham: ~200 -> ~134 (-33%)

Total: ~904 -> ~754 (-16.6%)

http://www.startribune.com/featuredColu ... ml?refer=y

2014 · Post by **2014** » Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:57 pm

Really interested to see this information trickle in. Still 2-3 weeks until most orientations though.

emkay625 · Post by **emkay625** » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:09 pm

Texas is significantly down as well - they told us this via e-mail - but unsure how much yet.

PolySuyGuy · Post by **PolySuyGuy** » Sun Aug 05, 2012 5:07 am

It looks like Arizona State University is going to buck the trend and increase their class size.

171 to approximately 250

University of Arizona is going to drop

158 to 125

Adam Banks · Post by **Adam Banks** » Sun Aug 05, 2012 11:38 am

PolySuyGuy wrote:It looks like Arizona State University is going to buck the trend and increase their class size.

171 to approximately 250

University of Arizona is going to drop

158 to 125

Do you think there is a correlation with u of a's numbers going down and asu's sky rocketing?

2014 · Post by **2014** » Sun Aug 05, 2012 12:09 pm

I think ASU found 79 suckers who saw the jump in USNWR and decided it meant something. UA still places better.

Wakelaw15 · Post by **Wakelaw15** » Sun Aug 05, 2012 12:21 pm

2014 wrote:I think ASU found 79 suckers who saw the jump in USNWR and decided it meant something. UA still places better.

That would be my guess as well.

PolySuyGuy · Post by **PolySuyGuy** » Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:07 pm

Abisping wrote:
PolySuyGuy wrote:It looks like Arizona State University is going to buck the trend and increase their class size.

171 to approximately 250

University of Arizona is going to drop

158 to 125
Do you think there is a correlation with u of a's numbers going down and asu's sky rocketing?

I think it is more with U of A being a hell hole. Crime is out of control in Tucson. http://www.pimasheriff.org/prevention/crime-maps/

The place is dusty and dirty.

While Phoenix is recovering from the recession, Tucson is digging in.

University of Arizona places better in Tucson and Las Vegas. They don't place well in Phoenix, ASU gets the first pick of those jobs.

rickgrimes69 · Post by **rickgrimes69** » Sun Aug 05, 2012 11:33 pm

Abisping wrote:
PolySuyGuy wrote:It looks like Arizona State University is going to buck the trend and increase their class size.

171 to approximately 250

University of Arizona is going to drop

158 to 125
Do you think there is a correlation with u of a's numbers going down and asu's sky rocketing?

More likely because of OBLIGATORY DROVES COMMENT

Yukos · Post by **Yukos** » Sun Aug 05, 2012 11:47 pm

rickgrimes69 wrote:
Abisping wrote:
PolySuyGuy wrote:It looks like Arizona State University is going to buck the trend and increase their class size.

171 to approximately 250

University of Arizona is going to drop

158 to 125
Do you think there is a correlation with u of a's numbers going down and asu's sky rocketing?
More likely because of OBLIGATORY DROVES COMMENT

Dammit beat me to it!

Tagged.

Adam Banks · Post by **Adam Banks** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:05 am

PolySuyGuy wrote:
Abisping wrote:
PolySuyGuy wrote:It looks like Arizona State University is going to buck the trend and increase their class size.

171 to approximately 250

University of Arizona is going to drop

158 to 125
Do you think there is a correlation with u of a's numbers going down and asu's sky rocketing?
I think it is more with U of A being a hell hole. Crime is out of control in Tucson. http://www.pimasheriff.org/prevention/crime-maps/

The place is dusty and dirty.

While Phoenix is recovering from the recession, Tucson is digging in.

University of Arizona places better in Tucson and Las Vegas. They don't place well in Phoenix, ASU gets the first pick of those jobs.

I've read that u of a actually places better in ALL of Arizona

2014 · Post by **2014** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:17 am

ASU only had 63% in legal jobs and 5% in big law which are both objectively garbage, they are the very definition of USNWR pandering. UA only had 6.3% in big law, but at least they placed a whopping 10% more students in FT legal jobs while not messing around with fellowships like ASU.

Honestly, I'm really struggling to think of a hypothetical individual better served by going to ASU over UA at equal cost unless their LS goals involve bagging a larger pool of UG coeds.

Yukos · Post by **Yukos** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:22 am

2014 wrote:ASU only had 63% in legal jobs and 5% in big law which are both objectively garbage, they are the very definition of USNWR pandering. UA only had 6.3% in big law, but at least they placed a whopping 10% more students in FT legal jobs while not messing around with fellowships like ASU.

Honestly, I'm really struggling to think of a hypothetical individual better served by going to ASU over UA at equal cost unless their LS goals involve bagging a larger pool of UG coeds.

It's not like UA is lacking for hot girls. And they're not much brighter either.

amoricaorbust · Post by **amoricaorbust** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:14 am

emkay625 wrote:Texas is significantly down as well - they told us this via e-mail - but unsure how much yet.

I never got an email about this... did they say what they expected the class size to be?

Paul Campos · Post by **Paul Campos** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:37 am

A few more:

Hastings is going from 400 to 320.

PSU is going from 220 to 170.

GW is reducing its class by an as yet unspecified amount.

BmoreOrLess · Post by **BmoreOrLess** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:24 pm

Paul Campos wrote:A few more:

Hastings is going from 400 to 320.

PSU is going from 220 to 170.

GW is reducing its class by an as yet unspecified amount.

LOL at GW "reducing its class." That's like saying I reduced my 401k back in 2008.

Paul Campos · Post by **Paul Campos** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:53 pm

BmoreOrLess wrote:
Paul Campos wrote:A few more:

Hastings is going from 400 to 320.

PSU is going from 220 to 170.

GW is reducing its class by an as yet unspecified amount.
LOL at GW "reducing its class." That's like saying I reduced my 401k back in 2008.

A fair point.

top30man · Post by **top30man** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:59 pm

Any info re: the t14? It seems like gulc would struggle to get the 300 or so 170s to maintain their median.

2014 · Post by **2014** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:34 pm

Give it 2-3 weeks for orientations to happen.

superbloom · Post by **superbloom** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:50 pm

Just keeping it fresh. Bump.

2014utLaw · Post by **2014utLaw** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:09 pm

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