Michigan v Cornell Forum
- Lacepiece23
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Michigan v Cornell
Hi all
Just got off the wait list from Michigan w/ an offer of 14k per year. Cornell has offered me 25k per year which puts them pretty close in COA. I believe that Michigan's tuition is like 47k a year while Cornell is 55k. Just wondering what you guys think. I visited Cornell and really liked it, I want Biglaw and I want to hopefully get back to Pittsburgh where I am from. No preference for a big law market other than Pittsburgh. My girlfriend of 2 years is going to Penn State next year so Ithaca would definitely be closer to her, but thats not a make or break. I'm just a little worried about Michigan's employment stats as of late. Cornell seems to always outpace them in big law as well.
Just got off the wait list from Michigan w/ an offer of 14k per year. Cornell has offered me 25k per year which puts them pretty close in COA. I believe that Michigan's tuition is like 47k a year while Cornell is 55k. Just wondering what you guys think. I visited Cornell and really liked it, I want Biglaw and I want to hopefully get back to Pittsburgh where I am from. No preference for a big law market other than Pittsburgh. My girlfriend of 2 years is going to Penn State next year so Ithaca would definitely be closer to her, but thats not a make or break. I'm just a little worried about Michigan's employment stats as of late. Cornell seems to always outpace them in big law as well.
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Re: Michigan v Cornell
I'm in a similar position, actually, although the T10 I am considering is currently not giving me any money.
I think you're right: Michigan's placement has been bad lately. Cornell's has also taken a hit, but it's still solid, especially relative to it's rank. In fact, if I am not mistaken, Cornell has often had placement rates disproportionate (favorably) to it's rank.
I'd probably do Cornell.
I think you're right: Michigan's placement has been bad lately. Cornell's has also taken a hit, but it's still solid, especially relative to it's rank. In fact, if I am not mistaken, Cornell has often had placement rates disproportionate (favorably) to it's rank.
I'd probably do Cornell.
- Lacepiece23
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Re: Michigan v Cornell
Yeah when I went to visit Cornell they told me that they believe their numbers will rebound back to around 65% for next year I haven't heard that much confidence coming from Michigan's end but then again I haven't visited yet.SaintFond wrote:I'm in a similar position, actually, although the T10 I am considering is currently not giving me any money.
I think you're right: Michigan's placement has been bad lately. Cornell's has also taken a hit, but it's still solid, especially relative to it's rank. In fact, if I am not mistaken, Cornell has often had placement rates disproportionate (favorably) to it's rank.
I'd probably do Cornell.
- Mr. Somebody
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Re: Michigan v Cornell
Did you show Mich your Cornell offer yet, and vice versa?
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Re: Michigan v Cornell
Lol, 65% seems pretty unrealistic. Then again, two years ago they were what? In the top 5 for placement? That's pretty good, all things considered. Let's just hope that their placement last year wasn't indicative of a trend.Lacepiece23 wrote:Yeah when I went to visit Cornell they told me that they believe their numbers will rebound back to around 65% for next year I haven't heard that much confidence coming from Michigan's end but then again I haven't visited yet.SaintFond wrote:I'm in a similar position, actually, although the T10 I am considering is currently not giving me any money.
I think you're right: Michigan's placement has been bad lately. Cornell's has also taken a hit, but it's still solid, especially relative to it's rank. In fact, if I am not mistaken, Cornell has often had placement rates disproportionate (favorably) to it's rank.
I'd probably do Cornell.
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- KMaine
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Re: Michigan v Cornell
I had a similar situation 3 years ago (though no money from Michigan). I chose Cornell, and could not be happier with my choice. I would consider Biglaw opportunities a wash (I would believe what career services said about next year's numbers . . . as well as those for the following years), with your other factors pointing toward Cornell.
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Re: Michigan v Cornell
Allz I know is make your decision quickly and notify the schools...some people are still waiting on Michigan waitlists
hahahah im just kidding, congratulations on two excellent schools! May I ask what your application numbers were like and what you think might've helped you get off the waitlist?

hahahah im just kidding, congratulations on two excellent schools! May I ask what your application numbers were like and what you think might've helped you get off the waitlist?
- Aberzombie1892
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Re: Michigan v Cornell
Cornell seems to be the clear choice. Congrats!
- Mr. Somebody
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Re: Michigan v Cornell
He is URM. Only URM's have gotten off Mich waitlist so far.Bigsby wrote:Allz I know is make your decision quickly and notify the schools...some people are still waiting on Michigan waitlists![]()
hahahah im just kidding, congratulations on two excellent schools! May I ask what your application numbers were like and what you think might've helped you get off the waitlist?
- sundance95
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Re: Michigan v Cornell
Who said that?Lacepiece23 wrote:Yeah when I went to visit Cornell they told me that they believe their numbers will rebound back to around 65% for next year I haven't heard that much confidence coming from Michigan's end but then again I haven't visited yet.SaintFond wrote:I'm in a similar position, actually, although the T10 I am considering is currently not giving me any money.
I think you're right: Michigan's placement has been bad lately. Cornell's has also taken a hit, but it's still solid, especially relative to it's rank. In fact, if I am not mistaken, Cornell has often had placement rates disproportionate (favorably) to it's rank.
I'd probably do Cornell.
- Lacepiece23
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Re: Michigan v Cornell
The head of career services when he talked to us at the ASD.sundance95 wrote:Who said that?Lacepiece23 wrote:Yeah when I went to visit Cornell they told me that they believe their numbers will rebound back to around 65% for next year I haven't heard that much confidence coming from Michigan's end but then again I haven't visited yet.SaintFond wrote:I'm in a similar position, actually, although the T10 I am considering is currently not giving me any money.
I think you're right: Michigan's placement has been bad lately. Cornell's has also taken a hit, but it's still solid, especially relative to it's rank. In fact, if I am not mistaken, Cornell has often had placement rates disproportionate (favorably) to it's rank.
I'd probably do Cornell.
- sundance95
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Re: Michigan v Cornell
Exactly.Lacepiece23 wrote:The head of career services when he talked to us at the ASD.sundance95 wrote:Who said that?Lacepiece23 wrote:Yeah when I went to visit Cornell they told me that they believe their numbers will rebound back to around 65% for next year I haven't heard that much confidence coming from Michigan's end but then again I haven't visited yet.SaintFond wrote:I'm in a similar position, actually, although the T10 I am considering is currently not giving me any money.
I think you're right: Michigan's placement has been bad lately. Cornell's has also taken a hit, but it's still solid, especially relative to it's rank. In fact, if I am not mistaken, Cornell has often had placement rates disproportionate (favorably) to it's rank.
I'd probably do Cornell.
- KMaine
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Re: Michigan v Cornell
They will. I said it.sundance95 wrote:Who said that?Lacepiece23 wrote:Yeah when I went to visit Cornell they told me that they believe their numbers will rebound back to around 65% for next year I haven't heard that much confidence coming from Michigan's end but then again I haven't visited yet.SaintFond wrote:I'm in a similar position, actually, although the T10 I am considering is currently not giving me any money.
I think you're right: Michigan's placement has been bad lately. Cornell's has also taken a hit, but it's still solid, especially relative to it's rank. In fact, if I am not mistaken, Cornell has often had placement rates disproportionate (favorably) to it's rank.
I'd probably do Cornell.
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- sundance95
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Re: Michigan v Cornell
KMaine wrote:I had a similar situation 3 years ago (though no money from Michigan). I chose Cornell, and could not be happier with my choice. I would consider Biglaw opportunities a wash (I would believe what career services said about next year's numbers . . . as well as those for the following years), with your other factors pointing toward Cornell.
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Re: Michigan v Cornell
I vote Cornell and think your OP is an accurate reflection on these two schools. I don't know the Pittsburgh market very well at all, but I'd be pretty surprised if Michigan had a better reputation/better placement than Cornell.
Enjoy the gorges bro.
Enjoy the gorges bro.
- Lacepiece23
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Re: Michigan v Cornell
For the people that voted Michigan is there any reason why? I saw 7 votes for Michigan, but everyone has been saying Cornell. Any reason why I should consider Michigan?
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Re: Michigan v Cornell
Michigan is stronger for midwestern placement (e.g., Chicago) and has generally done better when it comes to placing people into judicial clerkships. For purposes of securing a high-paying legal job in Pittsburgh, Cornell is at least as good (and frankly probably better) than Michigan. The people voting Michigan are probably overlooking your OP and voting solely based on rank and/or on their own personal interests.Lacepiece23 wrote:For the people that voted Michigan is there any reason why? I saw 7 votes for Michigan, but everyone has been saying Cornell. Any reason why I should consider Michigan?
- sundance95
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Re: Michigan v Cornell
Didn't vote at all, as the choice should be made on OP's subjective view of fit, since there's no empirical evidence that establishes a distinction ITT.
I just don't understand what the assertion being made ITT (that Cornell will place better into PGH) is based on. OP should think about contacting junior associates at PGH biglaw firms from each school and seeing if they would take ten minutes on the phone and talk about their experience getting back.
I just don't understand what the assertion being made ITT (that Cornell will place better into PGH) is based on. OP should think about contacting junior associates at PGH biglaw firms from each school and seeing if they would take ten minutes on the phone and talk about their experience getting back.
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