Torn between T2 v T3. Forum

tolosa8 · Post by **tolosa8** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:06 pm

If you are a "t14 or retake" type person please don't respond, I've read your opinion and I'm going to a T2 or T3 law school.
Chapman (30,000 a year) V USD (18,000 a year plus additional 6,000 for first year)

-want to work in either SD or OC
-don't care about biglaw
-not sure what type of law exactly

Not sure what to do

dowu · Post by **dowu** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:09 pm

Where are your ties? Ties play a huge role in going to a non-T14 school.

I know they are in the same region basically (SoCal), but you still will be making connections with the people neighboring the law school you attend. Personally, I'm less debt averse and I love love love San Diego, as a former resident myself. Either way, it's going to be tough competition finding a job with these schools, but in terms of better job opportunities, I'd have to say USD is better as well. Therefore, my vote is for USD.

CanadianWolf · Post by **CanadianWolf** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:13 pm

If you know the risks of attending a Tier 2 or Tier 3 law school in a crowded market, then just pick the law school which you prefer--especially since they are both located in the same market. Research each school's placement in SD & OC and, if one dominates, then go there.

moneybagsphd · Post by **moneybagsphd** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:28 pm

USD does really well in the San Diego market. Not sure about Chapman.

Ludo! · Post by **Ludo!** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:32 pm

CanadianWolf wrote:If you know the risks of attending a Tier 2 or Tier 3 law school in a crowded market, then just pick the law school which you prefer--especially since they are both located in the same market. Research each school's placement in SD & OC and, if one dominates, then go there.

These schools are not in the same market. SD and OC are worlds apart.

OP - if you honestly don't care whether you practice in SD or OC then go to whichever school is cheaper because your chances of getting a job aren't great from either. I would probably lean towards USD though since at least there's less competition from other schools in the same place.

BarbellDreams · Post by **BarbellDreams** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:47 pm

If you're cool with taking out 100k for a coinflip I would go to USD. USD at least has SOME recodnition in CA, Chapman is basically a law review or bust (barista-style) type of school.

spleenworship · Post by **spleenworship** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:23 pm

are there scholarship stipulations on either of the prices listed above?

Danteshek · Post by **Danteshek** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:28 pm

CanadianWolf · Post by **CanadianWolf** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:34 pm

To the best of my knowledge, both San Diego & Orange County are in Southern California. May seem like "worlds apart" to some, but...

3ThrowAway99 · Post by **3ThrowAway99** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:36 pm

Chapman

Ludo! · Post by **Ludo!** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:36 pm

CanadianWolf wrote:To the best of my knowledge, both San Diego & Orange County are in Southern California. May seem like "worlds apart" to some, but...

The some being people who live in Southern California... Like hiring partners at firms based in either SD or OC

CanadianWolf · Post by **CanadianWolf** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:39 pm

I hope you're kidding.

The driving distance between Santa Ana & San Diego is only 89 miles on I-5. And, yes, Santa Ana & San Diego are quite different, but in terms of law firm hiring firms in both OC & SD know of USD & Chapman.

Mal Reynolds · Post by **Mal Reynolds** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:41 pm

You should retake your LSAT and try to get into a top fourteen. These aren't good schools.

Ludo! · Post by **Ludo!** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:45 pm

CanadianWolf wrote:I hope you're kidding.

Have you ever lived in either place? Or is this just like every other thread where you pretend you know what you're talking about but are completely wrong.

A Swift · Post by **A Swift** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:46 pm

People from the t14 have "ties" to cities they could not get a job in. How does going to a TTT in a region you have "ties" to change anything?

CanadianWolf · Post by **CanadianWolf** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:11 pm

If you think a Chapman law degree & a USD law degree don't travel 89 miles in Southern California, then you need to get out a bit more.

Ludo! · Post by **Ludo!** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:14 pm

The fact that you describe the distance between the two places in miles and not in hours driven in traffic answers my question, thanks.

CanadianWolf · Post by **CanadianWolf** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:15 pm

90 minutes.

Now you can sleep at night.

Ludo! · Post by **Ludo!** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:17 pm

Chicago and Milwaukee are also about 90 miles apart. Are they the same market too?

CanadianWolf · Post by **CanadianWolf** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:42 pm

Dean Pless is that you ?

P.S. You really need to get out more. How about Havana, Cuba & Key West ?

lobolawyer · Post by **lobolawyer** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:49 pm

spleenworship wrote:are there scholarship stipulations on either of the prices listed above?

And where do you want to work?

padawanphil · Post by **padawanphil** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:16 pm

Pretty much guaranteed that the Chap scholly has a GPA stip of 3.0, which translates to a top-third requirement (their median being a 2.8 ). That's definitely something to keep in mind.

rad lulz · Post by **rad lulz** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:20 pm

MTBike · Post by **MTBike** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:51 pm

rad lulz wrote:Chapman and drop out if you lose your scholarship.

Although the best choice is not to go at all.

USD is the obvious choice here...

spleenworship · Post by **spleenworship** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:01 pm

MTBike wrote:
rad lulz wrote:Chapman and drop out if you lose your scholarship.

Although the best choice is not to go at all.
USD is the obvious choice here...

I still want to know what the damn stips on the schollys are. I ain't going either way until I know that.

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