Detailed C/O 2011 Employment Data (T25) Forum

[paulshortys10]

I was expecting these bad number from Cornell, and also expecting them form other schools after T-8. I hope things get a little better for the 15' class.

[Bronck]

I was expecting these bad number from Cornell, and also expecting them form other schools after T-8. I hope things get a little better for the 15' class.

This was the bottom of legal hiring. By all accounts, things are already improving (certainly not to pre-crash levels, but it's getting better).

[rad lulz]

I was expecting these bad number from Cornell, and also expecting them form other schools after T-8. I hope things get a little better for the 15' class.

lol @ T8

[Bronck]

I was expecting these bad number from Cornell, and also expecting them form other schools after T-8. I hope things get a little better for the 15' class.

lol @ T8

LOL, didn't even notice that. Berkeley at number 8??

[paulshortys10]

I was expecting these bad number from Cornell, and also expecting them form other schools after T-8. I hope things get a little better for the 15' class.

lol @ T8

lol I picked a random ass number .

[monkey85]

GW got rocked!

Biglaw + clerkships down 9% from C/O 2010 - 2011.

[Tarheel1234]

I was wondering if people could update this thread with schools that have released their class of 2011 employment statistics.

[rayiner]

I was wondering if people could update this thread with schools that have released their class of 2011 employment statistics.

Added UIUC. I think all of the T25 that have posted 2011 data are on here already.

[thelawyler]

Thanks for compiling all of this!

[rayiner]

Added Virginia.

[071816]

So was the class of 2011 likely the worst of the worst as far as pwnage is concerned?

[ahnhub]

Added Virginia.

Is the information from Virginia saying that 64 students were still in law-school funded jobs at the 9-month mark? I assumed they were reporting the total number before (as in all graduates receiving any kind of short-term funding), but the info they gave to NALP for c/o 2010 seems to be saying differently.

[keg411]

Added Virginia.

Now people can't call Michigan out anymore for being the only T10 that got shit on for the c/o 2011. Thanks UVA .

[envisciguy]

Added Virginia.

Is the information from Virginia saying that 64 students were still in law-school funded jobs at the 9-month mark? I assumed they were reporting the total number before (as in all graduates receiving any kind of short-term funding), but the info they gave to NALP for c/o 2010 seems to be saying differently.

I'd be interested in the answer to this too. Also, forgive me for not knowing, but where (aside from this thread of course) can one see all the info released by the schools for 2011?

[Mr. Somebody]

Looks like NU was the only school in the lower T14 that didn't get killed...

[rayiner]

Looks like NU was the only school in the lower T14 that didn't get killed...

Penn?

[rad lulz]

Looks like NU was the only school in the lower T14 that didn't get killed...

Penn?

He probably thinks DNCG is a real thing, in which case, LOL.

[Mr. Somebody]

Looks like NU was the only school in the lower T14 that didn't get killed...

Penn?

He probably thinks DNCG is a real thing, in which case, LOL.

Nah, I missed Penn

[ahnhub]

Berkeley didn't totally crap themselves either. Penn/NU--it seems like they did almost unreasonably well, considering.

So no one has an answer for Virginia, huh? If 64 Virginia grads were still in law-school funded work at the 9-month mark, then hands down they had the worst year.

[Bronck]

Rayiner, CLS just updated their page: http://www.law.columbia.edu/careers/emp ... statistics

Total Graduates = 456; 445 employed

62.9% of employed graduates in firms size 101+ and 8.3% in fed clerkships.
or... 280 (61.4%) + 37 (8.1%) / 456 = 69.5%

c/o 2010: 69.3%, 10.2%... which means a decline of 7.9% in firms size 101+ and 2.1% in fed clerkships.

[Bronck]

Looking back at the data, I'm surprised by how well Penn weathered OCI 2009. I wonder why that is.

[rayiner]

Rayiner, CLS just updated their page: http://www.law.columbia.edu/careers/emp ... statistics

Total Graduates = 456; 445 employed

62.9% of employed graduates in firms size 101+ and 8.3% in fed clerkships.
or... 280 (61.4%) + 37 (8.1%) / 456 = 69.5%

c/o 2010: 69.3%, 10.2%... which means a decline of 7.9% in firms size 101+ and 2.1% in fed clerkships.

Ty ty.

Quite stellar performance from Columbia. Look at that extremely high long-term/permanent employment rate.

[envisciguy]

Does anyone know what to make of the UVA data? It says that 64 students (17.3%) received funding from the school. But then they say that 98.6% of the grads have full time long term employment. Aren't most school funded jobs technically short term? If so, how does this make sense?

[rayiner]

Does anyone know what to make of the UVA data? It says that 64 students (17.3%) received funding from the school. But then they say that 98.6% of the grads have full time long term employment. Aren't most school funded jobs technically short term? If so, how does this make sense?

They're counting the public service fellowships as full-time, long-term...

You can see this in the "Salaries" chart.
They had 377 graduates, and reported 369 employed, and 364 employed "full-time, long-term." 364 / 369 = 98.6%

However, in the salaries section, they list:
191 of 210 reporting in the private sector.
69 of 95 reporting in the public sector.

The note on that chart makes it clear that it does not include people on law school fellowships: "In 2011, the 64 graduates in the Law School's public service fellowship programs earned between $27,000 and $40,000, with a median of $27,000."

The math works out--210 private sector + 95 public sector + 64 fellowships = 369.

[KevinP]

Those Columbia numbers are impressive considering the market at the time.

Also, I vote that rayiner should do the rankings from now instead of U.S. News.