The ranking system Forum
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publiusjr

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The ranking system
I was curious how the rankings are determined. For example, I recently read Touro Law has a
bar passage of 83% which ranks them higher than hofstra, new york law, syracuse, Pace, Albany, and Cuny.
They are essentially tied with Buffalo, yet they are considered tier 4 and bashed all over the place. However,
Cuny is a tier 3 and their bar passage is 67%. Hofstra is top 100. What is the forumula used?
http://pdf.reuters.com/pdfnews/pdfnews. ... RIMARY.gif
bar passage of 83% which ranks them higher than hofstra, new york law, syracuse, Pace, Albany, and Cuny.
They are essentially tied with Buffalo, yet they are considered tier 4 and bashed all over the place. However,
Cuny is a tier 3 and their bar passage is 67%. Hofstra is top 100. What is the forumula used?
http://pdf.reuters.com/pdfnews/pdfnews. ... RIMARY.gif
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bk1

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Did Google touch you in some inappropriate place and make you too afraid to use a search engine to answer your own question?
P.S. Hofstra, NYLS, Syracuse, Pace, Albany, CUNY, Buffalo, and Touro are all bashed in equal measure.
P.S. Hofstra, NYLS, Syracuse, Pace, Albany, CUNY, Buffalo, and Touro are all bashed in equal measure.
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bk1

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Re: The ranking system
Because I'm in a particularly giving mood today: http://www.usnews.com/education/best-gr ... ology-2012
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publiusjr

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Re: The ranking system
why has st johns slipped to 95? werent they always considered much better?
- 20130312

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publiusjr wrote:why has st johns slipped to 95? werent they always considered much better?

- mrtoren

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Assuming this isn't a shit flame, its common knowledge that all NY, and especially NYC, law schools beyond Cardozo are pretty bad. Some argue Fordham, some even say T14 or nothing. If you don't have the numbers to get into one of those law schools...I recommend vacating the state.publiusjr wrote:why has st johns slipped to 95? werent they always considered much better?
Edit - You know why Touro is a TTTT? It costs $41,070 in tuition, plus another $19,140 in living expenses every year. That's $60,210 total..every year, for three years. You'll be around $185,000 in debt after taking tuition increases into account. But they must place you into a job that will let you pay that off, right? Wrong. They don't even report 'at graduation' employment..a figure any reputable law school provides. Even some of the less reputable ones do it as well. At 9 months, 51% of graduates are employed. The median private sector salary? $60,000.
Their bar passage rate earns them absolutely nothing. This school is one of the biggest scams out there.
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- Bildungsroman

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Re: The ranking system
bar passage rate means very very very little in how good a school is. All of the schools you mentioned are shitty.
- SilverE2

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Re: The ranking system
Below the top 30, they take all of the schools mix them up in a hat, and pull them out randomly.publiusjr wrote:I was curious how the rankings are determined. For example, I recently read Touro Law has a
bar passage of 83% which ranks them higher than hofstra, new york law, syracuse, Pace, Albany, and Cuny.
They are essentially tied with Buffalo, yet they are considered tier 4 and bashed all over the place. However,
Cuny is a tier 3 and their bar passage is 67%. Hofstra is top 100. What is the forumula used?
http://pdf.reuters.com/pdfnews/pdfnews. ... RIMARY.gif
They do the same for 20-30.
Then for 1-20 they keep the same rankings they've had for the past twenty years and just shift individual schools up or down a spot or two.
Except WUSTL. WUSTL they move up a spot a year.
- Blindmelon

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Re: The ranking system
Blatant Cardozo trolling.mrtoren wrote:Assuming this isn't a shit flame, its common knowledge that all NY, and especially NYC, law schools beyond Cardozo are pretty bad. Some argue Fordham, some even say T14 or nothing. If you don't have the numbers to get into one of those law schools...I recommend vacating the state.publiusjr wrote:why has st johns slipped to 95? werent they always considered much better?
Edit - You know why Touro is a TTTT? It costs $41,070 in tuition, plus another $19,140 in living expenses every year. That's $60,210 total..every year, for three years. You'll be around $185,000 in debt after taking tuition increases into account. But they must place you into a job that will let you pay that off, right? Wrong. They don't even report 'at graduation' employment..a figure any reputable law school provides. Even some of the less reputable ones do it as well. At 9 months, 51% of graduates are employed. The median private sector salary? $60,000.
Their bar passage rate earns them absolutely nothing. This school is one of the biggest scams out there.
- BlakcMajikc

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Re: The ranking system
Wish we had a Karma feature on these boards... +1 to SilverE2. I just laughed out loud.SilverE2 wrote: Below the top 30, they take all of the schools mix them up in a hat, and pull them out randomly.
They do the same for 20-30.
Then for 1-20 they keep the same rankings they've had for the past twenty years and just shift individual schools up or down a spot or two.
Except WUSTL. WUSTL they move up a spot a year.
- BuckinghamB

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Re: The ranking system
BlakcMajikc wrote:Wish we had a Karma feature on these boards... +1 to SilverE2. I just laughed out loud.SilverE2 wrote: Below the top 30, they take all of the schools mix them up in a hat, and pull them out randomly.
They do the same for 20-30.
Then for 1-20 they keep the same rankings they've had for the past twenty years and just shift individual schools up or down a spot or two.
Except WUSTL. WUSTL they move up a spot a year.
- JamMasterJ

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Re: The ranking system
this is hilariously creditedSilverE2 wrote:Below the top 30, they take all of the schools mix them up in a hat, and pull them out randomly.publiusjr wrote:I was curious how the rankings are determined. For example, I recently read Touro Law has a
bar passage of 83% which ranks them higher than hofstra, new york law, syracuse, Pace, Albany, and Cuny.
They are essentially tied with Buffalo, yet they are considered tier 4 and bashed all over the place. However,
Cuny is a tier 3 and their bar passage is 67%. Hofstra is top 100. What is the forumula used?
http://pdf.reuters.com/pdfnews/pdfnews. ... RIMARY.gif
They do the same for 20-30.
Then for 1-20 they keep the same rankings they've had for the past twenty years and just shift individual schools up or down a spot or two.
Except WUSTL. WUSTL they move up a spot a year.
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JamMasterJ wrote:this is hilariously creditedSilverE2 wrote:Below the top 30, they take all of the schools mix them up in a hat, and pull them out randomly.publiusjr wrote:I was curious how the rankings are determined. For example, I recently read Touro Law has a
bar passage of 83% which ranks them higher than hofstra, new york law, syracuse, Pace, Albany, and Cuny.
They are essentially tied with Buffalo, yet they are considered tier 4 and bashed all over the place. However,
Cuny is a tier 3 and their bar passage is 67%. Hofstra is top 100. What is the forumula used?
http://pdf.reuters.com/pdfnews/pdfnews. ... RIMARY.gif
They do the same for 20-30.
Then for 1-20 they keep the same rankings they've had for the past twenty years and just shift individual schools up or down a spot or two.
Except WUSTL. WUSTL they move up a spot a year.
Most accurate description of the rankings yet.
- thexfactor

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Re: The ranking system
Below the top 30, they take all of the schools mix them up in a hat, and pull them out randomly.SilverE2 wrote:publiusjr wrote:I was curious how the rankings are determined. For example, I recently read Touro Law has a
bar passage of 83% which ranks them higher than hofstra, new york law, syracuse, Pace, Albany, and Cuny.
They are essentially tied with Buffalo, yet they are considered tier 4 and bashed all over the place. However,
Cuny is a tier 3 and their bar passage is 67%. Hofstra is top 100. What is the forumula used?
http://pdf.reuters.com/pdfnews/pdfnews. ... RIMARY.gif
They do the same for 20-30.
Then for 1-20 they keep the same rankings they've had for the past twenty years and just shift individual schools up or down a spot or two.
Except WUSTL. WUSTL they move up a spot a year.[/quote]
In 4 years WUSTL will be a T14!
- JamMasterJ

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Re: The ranking system
[/quote]thexfactor wrote:SilverE2 wrote:Below the top 30, they take all of the schools mix them up in a hat, and pull them out randomly.publiusjr wrote:I was curious how the rankings are determined. For example, I recently read Touro Law has a
bar passage of 83% which ranks them higher than hofstra, new york law, syracuse, Pace, Albany, and Cuny.
They are essentially tied with Buffalo, yet they are considered tier 4 and bashed all over the place. However,
Cuny is a tier 3 and their bar passage is 67%. Hofstra is top 100. What is the forumula used?
http://pdf.reuters.com/pdfnews/pdfnews. ... RIMARY.gif
They do the same for 20-30.
Then for 1-20 they keep the same rankings they've had for the past twenty years and just shift individual schools up or down a spot or two.
Except WUSTL. WUSTL they move up a spot a year.[/quote]
In 4 years WUSTL will be a T14!
you were doing so well till now