Got into Villanova with $$$ Forum

jmercer1 · Post by **jmercer1** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:11 pm

I just now found out I got into Villanova with a $20k/year scholarship. I'm out of state (from MD) but the scholarship erases the tuition difference between Nova and what UMD would cost if I get in without a scholarship. What do people think about Nova? Would my job search be adversely affected by the recent scandal? Is there anyone going to Nova currently who wants to let me know what they think?

FWIW I've also applied to UMD, UBalt, Temple, and American, haven't heard back yet from any of them.

Wholigan · Post by **Wholigan** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:54 pm

$20k per year or per semester? Because tuition and fees are around $38k per year, I think. I wasn't aware they give out scholarships exceeding full tuition.

In any event, if you are competitive for a full tuition+ scholarship at Nova, I imagine you'll be competitive for something at UMD as well. Your tuition ceiling if you lose your scholarship would be lower at UMD, so that's something to consider, even if your cost with the award is a little less at Nova. As for the scandal, it won't make a difference, but it's a strictly Philadelphia regional school.

MrAnon · Post by **MrAnon** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:55 pm

the recent scandal is the least of a Nova student's concerns when it comes to the job search

WSJ_Law · Post by **WSJ_Law** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:00 pm

True. OP is quite fucked either way

jmercer1 · Post by **jmercer1** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:19 pm

Thanks Wholigan for actually saying something helpful. And I misspoke (mis-typed?), it's 20k/year. The stipulation is that I maintain a 2.0, which shouldn't be that bad, or at least that's what I would think.

PLDubs · Post by **PLDubs** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:27 pm

OP, how long between your acceptance email and your scholly email?

HeavenWood · Post by **HeavenWood** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:36 pm

MrAnon wrote:the recent scandal is the least of a Nova student's concerns when it comes to the job search

The scandal means next to nothing with regard to local hiring. That being said, there isn't a whole lot of local hiring going on.

20130312 · Post by **20130312** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:44 pm

HeavenWood · Post by **HeavenWood** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:45 pm

InGoodFaith wrote:OP is not fucked. Aside from Temple, Villanova is a top school for the Philly area and suburbs.

Philadelphia is a larger secondary market, but it isn't that large. It seems there's no longer any guarantees outside the top 10% for either school.

20130312 · Post by **20130312** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:48 pm

HeavenWood · Post by **HeavenWood** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:49 pm

InGoodFaith wrote:Top 10% seems narrow, I was thinking more like 20%. I assume you're just talking about biglaw? TLS forgets sometimes that there are good jobs outside of biglaw.

lol I haven't forgotten anything. I didn't say getting a job outside the top 10% was impossible. I merely said there were no guarantees outside the top 10%.

tennisking88 · Post by **tennisking88** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:50 pm

It depends where you wanna work. If it's MD/DC, go to MD. If Philly & surrounding 'burbs, do Nova. UMD is better, tho, in my opinion.

MrAnon · Post by **MrAnon** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:52 pm

InGoodFaith wrote:OP is not fucked. Aside from Temple, Villanova is a top school for the Philly area and suburbs.

They are seriously second rate schools compared to the top dog in town. Do OPs dreams include fighting for the chance of being a public defender in Bucks County for the next 10 years.

MrAnon · Post by **MrAnon** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:54 pm

InGoodFaith wrote:Top 10% seems narrow, I was thinking more like 20%. I assume you're just talking about biglaw? TLS forgets sometimes that there are good jobs outside of biglaw.

That pay well? On the percentages this is really splitting hairs. I guess it matters whether 1 out of 10 students in the class get a job that will allow them to live comfortably and raise a family or whether 2 of 10 do.

HeavenWood · Post by **HeavenWood** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:55 pm

MrAnon wrote:
InGoodFaith wrote:Top 10% seems narrow, I was thinking more like 20%. I assume you're just talking about biglaw? TLS forgets sometimes that there are good jobs outside of biglaw.
That pay well? On the percentages this is really splitting hairs. I guess it matters whether 1 out of 10 students in the class get a job that will allow them to live comfortably and raise a family or whether 2 of 10 do.

From what I've seen/heard, top 10% to be more or less biglaw secure, top 25% to have a shot at midlaw on up. Not excellent odds IMO.

20130312 · Post by **20130312** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:56 pm

HeavenWood · Post by **HeavenWood** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:56 pm

InGoodFaith wrote:
MrAnon wrote:
InGoodFaith wrote:OP is not fucked. Aside from Temple, Villanova is a top school for the Philly area and suburbs.
They are seriously second rate schools compared to the top dog in town. Do OPs dreams include fighting for the chance of being a public defender in Bucks County for the next 10 years.
I assume you mean Penn? Which primarily places in NY and DC, not Philly.

Dude, it doesn't matter that Temple and Villanova are getting the bulk of the jobs when there aren't that many jobs to be had.

Edit: I saw your stats, faith, and if you literally had one more point on the LSAT, you'd have a great shot at Penn ED. If Philly is where you know you want to be, I would highly recommend retaking if at all possible. Penn may largely self-select out of the city, but going here has a huge advantage when it comes to local jobs.

20130312 · Post by **20130312** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:59 pm

HeavenWood · Post by **HeavenWood** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:00 pm

InGoodFaith wrote:
HeavenWood wrote:
InGoodFaith wrote:
MrAnon wrote: They are seriously second rate schools compared to the top dog in town. Do OPs dreams include fighting for the chance of being a public defender in Bucks County for the next 10 years.
I assume you mean Penn? Which primarily places in NY and DC, not Philly.
Dude, it doesn't matter that Temple and Villanova are getting the bulk of the jobs when there aren't that many jobs to be had.
You're right. OP should go to MD, where there are plenty of jobs to be had.

It's really a wash between the two.

MrAnon · Post by **MrAnon** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:09 pm

InGoodFaith wrote:
MrAnon wrote:
InGoodFaith wrote:OP is not fucked. Aside from Temple, Villanova is a top school for the Philly area and suburbs.
They are seriously second rate schools compared to the top dog in town. Do OPs dreams include fighting for the chance of being a public defender in Bucks County for the next 10 years.
I assume you mean Penn? Which primarily places in NY and DC, not Philly.

Yeah I guess Philly firms will take Temple and Villanova grads if they are forced to. Unfortunately large numbers of the classes can't find any job at all sooooo

jmercer1 · Post by **jmercer1** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:35 pm

PLDubs wrote:OP, how long between your acceptance email and your scholly email?

They sent me the scholly info in the acceptance email. What is the significance of the time between acceptance and scholly info?

As far as UMD is concerned, I know it's ranked higher than Nova, but maybe there's something to be said for being a bigger fish in a smaller pond. I would probably have an easier time making top 10% at Nova than at UMD, but then again I'm not dying for a biglaw job anyway... midlaw or smaller would be just fine with me. Hoping to avoid government, but if I have to take it, I will.

20130312 · Post by **20130312** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:36 pm

philly_law · Post by **philly_law** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:47 pm

OP, I'm at Nova/Temple/Rutgers-C, LR and top 10ish, and that is no lock for biglaw, trust me. I'm currently offerless. Philly/Wilmington market, like everywhere else, isn't all that great. Also, Philly market is pretty insular, and if you are from Maryland then you will be seen as not having strong ties to the area. Going to school in the area does not give you strong ties. Not saying don't pick Nova, but be careful and know what yo're getting into. Even with that scholarship, with cost of living I imagine you're looking at around six figures of debt? It's definitely risky.

PLDubs · Post by **PLDubs** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:07 pm

philly_law wrote:OP, I'm at Nova/Temple/Rutgers-C, LR and top 10ish, and that is no lock for biglaw, trust me. I'm currently offerless. Philly/Wilmington market, like everywhere else, isn't all that great. Also, Philly market is pretty insular, and if you are from Maryland then you will be seen as not having strong ties to the area. Going to school in the area does not give you strong ties. Not saying don't pick Nova, but be careful and know what yo're getting into. Even with that scholarship, with cost of living I imagine you're looking at around six figures of debt? It's definitely risky.

What's the importance of strong ties to Philly? I'm not asking to be a smartass, just legitimately curious.

And to OP, there isn't any significance as far as I know. Just wondering.

HeavenWood · Post by **HeavenWood** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:08 pm

PLDubs wrote:
philly_law wrote:OP, I'm at Nova/Temple/Rutgers-C, LR and top 10ish, and that is no lock for biglaw, trust me. I'm currently offerless. Philly/Wilmington market, like everywhere else, isn't all that great. Also, Philly market is pretty insular, and if you are from Maryland then you will be seen as not having strong ties to the area. Going to school in the area does not give you strong ties. Not saying don't pick Nova, but be careful and know what yo're getting into. Even with that scholarship, with cost of living I imagine you're looking at around six figures of debt? It's definitely risky.
What's the importance of strong ties to Philly? I'm not asking to be a smartass, just legitimately curious.

And to OP, there isn't any significance as far as I know. Just wondering.

Philly is fairly insular, although I think philly_law is exaggerating a bit.

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