T6 vs. Rest of T14 Forum

[WhiteGuy5]

I'm surprised more people don't debate this. Is going to T6 with little scholarship (20K let's say) worth it when you have near-full rides from Michigan, Penn, Berkeley, Cornell, etc?

Assuming you want the option of going into BigLaw.

Any TLS sages wanna chime in?

[Bosque]

I'm surprised more people don't debate this.

Clearly you haven't been around very long.

[WhiteGuy5]

I'm surprised more people don't debate this.

Clearly you haven't been around very long.

Clearly you should stfu.

Just kidding<3


Edit: But no, seriously...stfu.

[WhiteGuy5]

But speaking seriously, I searched briefly and did not find a thread devoted to this dichotomy specifically.

Also -- it IS weird to hang around a law school admissions forum once you're in law school, especially if it's your second year already. Stop being a douchebag just because you've been here for an unnecessarily long time. It is not an accomplishment.

[03121202698008]

But speaking seriously, I searched briefly and did not find a thread devoted to this dichotomy specifically.

Also -- it IS weird to hang around a law school admissions forum once you're in law school, especially if it's your second year already. Stop being a douchebag just because you've been here for an unnecessarily long time. It is not an accomplishment.

This forum is about way more than admissions. The employment threads are crucial for 2Ls doing OCI. And, much of the employment advice comes from graduates who still pop in to answer questions. Most 1Ls don't answer questions as they don't have time.

Out of the two of you, you are the one being a douchebag. As such, this 2L won't be answering YOUR question. HTH.

[TaipeiMort]

There have been many threads on this.

General consensus is that NYU is no better than any other T14 school except for NYC biglaw.

In my opinion, Columbia is not different than Harvard for Biglaw.

For biglaw, Chicago is has an edge on Harvard because of its small class size, which makes students more of a commodity.

For lay prestige, HYS is way better than the rest of the T14 except Georgetown.

For academic prestige, CC are very close, if not the same as HYS.

[Richie Tenenbaum]

But speaking seriously, I searched briefly and did not find a thread devoted to this dichotomy specifically.

Also -- it IS weird to hang around a law school admissions forum once you're in law school, especially if it's your second year already. Stop being a douchebag just because you've been here for an unnecessarily long time. It is not an accomplishment.

Most ppl use the "view active topics" list.

Also: people are less likely to help when you come off as a douche.

[lawyerwannabe]

Would you rather have $160k debt at CCN where you still have a 20 - 40% chance of striking out or $75k debt at MVPDNC where you have a 40 - 50% of striking out?

[Curious1]

There have been many threads on this.

General consensus is that NYU is no better than any other T14 school except for NYC biglaw.

In my opinion, Columbia is not different than Harvard for Biglaw.

For biglaw, Chicago is has an edge on Harvard because of its small class size, which makes students more of a commodity.

For lay prestige, HYS is way better than the rest of the T14 except Georgetown.

For academic prestige, CC are very close, if not the same as HYS.

Except for the lay prestige argument, all of this is very questionable/plain wrong.

But it goes: YHS>>>>>CC>N>>>>>>rest of T14

[kaiser]

There have been many threads on this.

General consensus is that NYU is no better than any other T14 school except for NYC biglaw.

In my opinion, Columbia is not different than Harvard for Biglaw.

For biglaw, Chicago is has an edge on Harvard because of its small class size, which makes students more of a commodity.

For lay prestige, HYS is way better than the rest of the T14 except Georgetown.

For academic prestige, CC are very close, if not the same as HYS.

I think the bolded needs to be qualified a bit. I know lots of NYU people who got jobs all around the country, with many in CA, some Chicago, a good number of DC. I just don't think schools like Duke, UVA, or Cornell will carry quite as well nationally. Sure, its not quite the national cache that the 5 higher ranked schools have, but its national placement is likely still higher than a number of the schools below it in the rankings.

[lawyerwannabe]

There have been many threads on this.

General consensus is that NYU is no better than any other T14 school except for NYC biglaw.

In my opinion, Columbia is not different than Harvard for Biglaw.

For biglaw, Chicago is has an edge on Harvard because of its small class size, which makes students more of a commodity.

For lay prestige, HYS is way better than the rest of the T14 except Georgetown.

For academic prestige, CC are very close, if not the same as HYS.

Except for the lay prestige argument, all of this is very questionable/plain wrong.

But it goes: YHS>>>>>CC>N>>>>>>rest of T14

Hey new guy. Show me some statistics that justify the big gap between CCN and the T14, especially N.

[Curious1]

Hey new guy. Show me some statistics that justify the big gap between CCN and the T14, especially N.

Learn to use search function.

[03121202698008]

Hey new guy. Show me some statistics that justify the big gap between CCN and the T14, especially N.

Learn to use search function.

There is not that big of a gap between CC, N, or MVP. Below median at Columbia isn't do that much better than below median from MVP, especially outside of NYC where MVP may do better.

[lawyerwannabe]

Hey new guy. Show me some statistics that justify the big gap between CCN and the T14, especially N.

Learn to use search function.

LOL. Maybe you should so you can get a clearer picture.

[Curious1]

Hey new guy. Show me some statistics that justify the big gap between CCN and the T14, especially N.

Learn to use search function.

LOL. Maybe you should so you can get a clearer picture.

Um ok. You feel free to turn down Columbia for Duke. Have fun with that.

[03121202698008]

Hey new guy. Show me some statistics that justify the big gap between CCN and the T14, especially N.

Learn to use search function.

LOL. Maybe you should so you can get a clearer picture.

Um ok. You feel free to turn down Columbia for Duke. Have fun with that.

Lots of people who want to work in the South or don't want NYC COA, do just that and do fine. Although I agree the gap is bigger towards the bottom of the T14.

[tennisking88]

Hey new guy. Show me some statistics that justify the big gap between CCN and the T14, especially N.

Learn to use search function.

"YHS>>>>>CC>N>>>>>>rest of T14" is bullshit. NYU is not more prestigious than Penn/Berkeley/Michigan/VA.

[lawyerwannabe]

$0 debt v. $210k debt? Marginal, if any, more lay prestige. I'd choose Duke.

[tennisking88]

$0 debt v. $210k debt? Marginal, if any, more lay prestige.

This. Unless you really want academia, I would take the money.

[lawyerwannabe]

Curioser: Do you want to say anything else in this thread so more people can disagree with it?

[Curious1]

$0 debt v. $210k debt? Marginal, if any, more lay prestige. I'd choose Duke.

Please do.

[kaiser]

$0 debt v. $210k debt? Marginal, if any, more lay prestige.

This. Unless you really want academia, I would take the money.

I know tons of people who choose lower T14 schools due to huge scholarships over T6 schools, even Harvard. I'm not sure what, aside from aspirations of academia or delusions of working at Wachtell, could outweigh such a huge reduction in debt (assuming it seriously is full tuition vs. full debt)

[WhiteGuy5]

But speaking seriously, I searched briefly and did not find a thread devoted to this dichotomy specifically.

Also -- it IS weird to hang around a law school admissions forum once you're in law school, especially if it's your second year already. Stop being a douchebag just because you've been here for an unnecessarily long time. It is not an accomplishment.

This forum is about way more than admissions. The employment threads are crucial for 2Ls doing OCI. And, much of the employment advice comes from graduates who still pop in to answer questions. Most 1Ls don't answer questions as they don't have time.

Out of the two of you, you are the one being a douchebag. As such, this 2L won't be answering YOUR question. HTH.

I understand that; I just don't think people who have been here longer should be touting that around like an accomplishment. There was no need to respond to what I said with a sarcastic comment. This is a legitimate thread, especially since people's views have changed as per the economy.

[03121202698008]

But speaking seriously, I searched briefly and did not find a thread devoted to this dichotomy specifically.

Also -- it IS weird to hang around a law school admissions forum once you're in law school, especially if it's your second year already. Stop being a douchebag just because you've been here for an unnecessarily long time. It is not an accomplishment.

This forum is about way more than admissions. The employment threads are crucial for 2Ls doing OCI. And, much of the employment advice comes from graduates who still pop in to answer questions. Most 1Ls don't answer questions as they don't have time.

Out of the two of you, you are the one being a douchebag. As such, this 2L won't be answering YOUR question. HTH.

I understand that; I just don't think people who have been here longer should be touting that around like an accomplishment. There was no need to respond to what I said with a sarcastic comment. This is a legitimate thread, especially since people's views have changed as per the economy.

His sarcasm had less to do with him being around a long time, and more to do with the fact this has been debated to death on a routine basis. Sometimes, near daily. There is no correct opinion and it by definition must rest on huge amounts of speculation. This thread therefore adds nothing to the debate.

[Curious1]

I'm not saying there aren't perfectly valid reasons to choose a lower T-14 over HYSCC, but the difference exists, and you would be blind to ignore it. What you end up choosing depends on how much money you have and how debt-averse you are.

I'm a bit of a prestige whore so it's HYSCCN for me in that order, barring something truly outrageous like a Ruby at Chicago versus $0 at Harvard. If I had to count it numerically, I might say:

I MIGHT choose CC over HYS if they gave me full rides and HYS gave me nothing.

I WOULD choose N over CC if N gave me 50K more than CC.

I WOULD choose a lower T14 over N is they gave me a full ride and N gave me nothing. I would NOT choose a lower T14 over HYSCC for anything.

This is just me. You're free to do otherwise. There's no wrong choice here...all of these are great schools...It's like choosing between a Bentley and a Maserati.