Further proof that "yield" is a meaningless stat Forum

tgir · Post by **tgir** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:17 am

http://www.usnews.com/education/best-gr ... -links:TOP

fatduck · Post by **fatduck** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:20 am

your point? yield isn't part of the usnwr ranking criteria.

tgir · Post by **tgir** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:25 am

fatduck wrote:your point? yield isn't part of the usnwr ranking criteria.

I know.

People just sometimes bring up yield on TLS as an indicator of a school's value, and I thought the table on the USNews website was a particularly stunning display of why that is not really a useful metric.

As it is a recent article and I hadn't seen anyone else post it to TLS yet, I thought I'd post it for people to look at. I'm not trying to start some long discussion about yield.

Fred_McGriff · Post by **Fred_McGriff** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:32 pm

Some of those schools have high yield because they suck and they're isolated, people from outside aren't looking in, people applying aren't getting in anywhere else.

bk1 · Post by **bk1** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:39 pm

fatduck wrote:your point? yield isn't part of the usnwr ranking criteria.

In a way, isn't it?

USNWR Methodology wrote:Acceptance Rate (.025)
The proportion of applicants to the full-time program who were accepted for entry into the 2007 entering class.

bk1 · Post by **bk1** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:40 pm

tgir wrote:People just sometimes bring up yield on TLS as an indicator of a school's value

I have honestly never seen this.

tgir · Post by **tgir** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:51 pm

bk187 wrote:
tgir wrote:People just sometimes bring up yield on TLS as an indicator of a school's value
I have honestly never seen this.

Ok...so then you and I have obviously not looked at exactly the same threads.

bk1 · Post by **bk1** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:53 pm

tgir wrote:Ok...so then you and I have obviously not looked at exactly the same threads.

Anybody who has said it is talking completely out of their ass.

tgir · Post by **tgir** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:56 pm

bk187 wrote: Anybody who has said it is talking completely out of their ass.

Agreed.

DorianGray89 · Post by **DorianGray89** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:56 pm

Yield is a very important factor within admissions and higher ed; it doesn't speak much to the value of the school, or how good it is, but it is important for admissions directors. They need to know their overall yield, and their yield within URMs, yield within certain LSAT numbers, so that they can get a class of X number of students without over enrolling.

Say a school with a median of 165, admits a lot of people above 173. Those people are most likely not going to come, so they just admitted a lot of people for nothing. Meaning their acceptance rate will go up (which hurts them in rankings). If they decide to not admit those people above 170, because ultimately they wont come, their acceptance rate goes down and they seem more exclusive.

cubswin · Post by **cubswin** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:01 pm

tgir wrote:
bk187 wrote:
tgir wrote:People just sometimes bring up yield on TLS as an indicator of a school's value
I have honestly never seen this.
Ok...so then you and I have obviously not looked at exactly the same threads.

I agree with bk187 here. I have never seen people discuss a school's merits based on the criterion of yield, i.e. "Dude, pick Michigan over UVA. Their yield is 3% better!" The only time I see yield discussed is when an applicant with high numbers gets dinged and people suggest that its YP.

Aberzombie1892 · Post by **Aberzombie1892** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:03 pm

bk1 · Post by **bk1** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:05 pm

Aberzombie1892 wrote:f

They don't really hide anything:

http://www.usnews.com/education/article ... ethodology

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