Case Western 20k/yr vs Cleveland-Marshall full ride Forum

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Case Western 20k/yr ft
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Case Western 20k/yr vs Cleveland-Marshall full ride

Post by lsathelp » Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:31 pm

Please help, i have to decide by tomorrow morning. Im not sure where i want to end up and i'm very debt averse but i love the Case experience. 3.1 gpa stipulation at both school. Case is full time and CM is part time ( i switched to pt after being accepted).

Is the 60k in debt worth it?

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Re: Case Western 20k/yr vs Cleveland-Marshall full ride

Post by sparty2L » Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:33 pm

Compared to the opportunity cost of going to Marshall and likely not finding a good job upon graduation then yes, the debt is worth it.

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Re: Case Western 20k/yr vs Cleveland-Marshall full ride

Post by lsathelp » Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:58 pm

sparty2L wrote:Compared to the opportunity cost of going to Marshall and likely not finding a good job upon graduation then yes, the debt is worth it.
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Re: Case Western 20k/yr vs Cleveland-Marshall full ride

Post by lsathelp » Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:10 pm

Anyone else?
Please guys, i really need your help. The free ride is very enticing but i like Case more. What would you do? I have less then 24hrs to decide.

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Re: Case Western 20k/yr vs Cleveland-Marshall full ride

Post by Case2L » Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:41 pm

If it were b/t Case @ sticker & C-M w/ free ride, then I'd say C-M, but in your situation I would pick Case. They have a significantly stronger regional reputation and I have met way too many unemployed C-M grads, many of which had excellent grades.

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Re: Case Western 20k/yr vs Cleveland-Marshall full ride

Post by AVBucks4239 » Thu Jul 15, 2010 3:07 pm

I would attend Case without hesitation. You can get a good job coming out of Case and pay off that debt pretty quickly, then enjoy a career where your JD is very well respected across the entire midwest (rather than just Cleveland).

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Re: Case Western 20k/yr vs Cleveland-Marshall full ride

Post by lsathelp » Thu Jul 15, 2010 3:19 pm

AVBucks4239 wrote:I would attend Case without hesitation. You can get a good job coming out of Case and pay off that debt pretty quickly, then enjoy a career where your JD is very well respected across the entire midwest (rather than just Cleveland).
Everyone i talked to either Knew someone who went to Case or knew of Case. They are pretty well know, especially the Undergrad and med school.

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Re: Case Western 20k/yr vs Cleveland-Marshall full ride

Post by AVBucks4239 » Thu Jul 15, 2010 3:22 pm

lsathelp wrote:
AVBucks4239 wrote:I would attend Case without hesitation. You can get a good job coming out of Case and pay off that debt pretty quickly, then enjoy a career where your JD is very well respected across the entire midwest (rather than just Cleveland).
Everyone i talked to either Knew someone who went to Case or knew of Case. They are pretty well know, especially the Undergrad and med school.
Yep. Case's reputation alone is well worth the debt.

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Re: Case Western 20k/yr vs Cleveland-Marshall full ride

Post by najumobi » Thu Jul 15, 2010 3:39 pm

lsathelp wrote:Please help, i have to decide by tomorrow morning. Im not sure where i want to end up and i'm very debt averse but i love the Case experience. 3.1 gpa stipulation at both school. Case is full time and CM is part time ( i switched to pt after being accepted).

Is the 60k in debt worth it?
well this is interesting....2/3 of case grads land jobs making 76k/yr or less with 1/3 making around 50k/yr working in the public sector. 3/4 of cleveland-marshall grads land jobs making 60k/yr or less with 1/5 making around 50k/yr working in the public sector. if 60k in debt is worth this difference than go for it. i would probably go with case.
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Re: Case Western 20k/yr vs Cleveland-Marshall full ride

Post by sparty2L » Thu Jul 15, 2010 3:42 pm

Self-reported stats...proceed with caution

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Re: Case Western 20k/yr vs Cleveland-Marshall full ride

Post by najumobi » Thu Jul 15, 2010 3:45 pm

sparty2L wrote:Self-reported stats...proceed with caution
this is true. but it's probably the best thing to go by as long as the school discloses the % of the class responding to the salary survey. many schools don't disclose that.

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Re: Case Western 20k/yr vs Cleveland-Marshall full ride

Post by Patriot1208 » Thu Jul 15, 2010 3:47 pm

najumobi wrote:
sparty2L wrote:Self-reported stats...proceed with caution
this is true. but it's probably the best thing to go by as long as the school discloses the % of the class responding to the salary survey. many schools don't disclose that.
Except farther down the US news ladder you go, the greater instances of just downright lies you see.

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Re: Case Western 20k/yr vs Cleveland-Marshall full ride

Post by najumobi » Thu Jul 15, 2010 3:48 pm

Patriot1208 wrote:
najumobi wrote:
sparty2L wrote:Self-reported stats...proceed with caution
this is true. but it's probably the best thing to go by as long as the school discloses the % of the class responding to the salary survey. many schools don't disclose that.
Except farther down the US news ladder you go, the greater instances of just downright lies you see.
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Re: Case Western 20k/yr vs Cleveland-Marshall full ride

Post by Case2L » Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:22 pm

FWIW, everyone that I personally know from my graduating class (at least the ones on my Facebook friends list) is gainfully employed, in various jobs all over the country. Granted, I graduated before the economy bottomed out, but it was on a definite downslide.

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Post by Bryan » Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:25 pm

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Re: Case Western 20k/yr vs Cleveland-Marshall full ride

Post by Voyager » Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:42 pm

Employment at both will suck.

So the decision for me would come down to full ride v. San Diego (I assume there is only 1 Case Western?)

Gotta say... I would take San Diego. AWESOME place to live.

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Re: Case Western 20k/yr vs Cleveland-Marshall full ride

Post by angioletto » Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:48 pm

Both schools may have a 3.1 GPA requirement but they have very different curves. At Case a 3.1 is around top 45% of the class while I believe a 3.1 at CM is closer to top 15% of the class. (You may want to confirm those curves but that is the info I was given.)

And San Diego? Huh? Both schools are in Cleveland.

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Re: Case Western 20k/yr vs Cleveland-Marshall full ride

Post by Voyager » Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:51 pm

Oh. Crap. I was thinking of CAL Western. My mistake.

So based on what the previous guy just said, you need to be in the top 15% at CM to keep your scholarship? Ridiculous.

Go with Case.

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Post by StrictlyLiable » Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:04 pm

Case for sure.

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Post by lsathelp » Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:05 pm

angioletto wrote:Both schools may have a 3.1 GPA requirement but they have very different curves. At Case a 3.1 is around top 45% of the class while I believe a 3.1 at CM is closer to top 15% of the class. (You may want to confirm those curves but that is the info I was given.)

And San Diego? Huh? Both schools are in Cleveland.

What! 3.1= top 15% at CM? are they serious. Damn!!!!

Can any CM student confirm/deny this?

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Re: Case Western 20k/yr vs Cleveland-Marshall full ride

Post by StrictlyLiable » Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:11 pm

lsathelp wrote:
angioletto wrote:Both schools may have a 3.1 GPA requirement but they have very different curves. At Case a 3.1 is around top 45% of the class while I believe a 3.1 at CM is closer to top 15% of the class. (You may want to confirm those curves but that is the info I was given.)

And San Diego? Huh? Both schools are in Cleveland.

What! 3.1= top 15% at CM? are they serious. Damn!!!!

Can any CM student confirm/deny this?

Not sure, I know the Case curve is right.

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Re: Case Western 20k/yr vs Cleveland-Marshall full ride

Post by lsathelp » Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:17 pm

StrictlyLiable wrote:
lsathelp wrote:
angioletto wrote:Both schools may have a 3.1 GPA requirement but they have very different curves. At Case a 3.1 is around top 45% of the class while I believe a 3.1 at CM is closer to top 15% of the class. (You may want to confirm those curves but that is the info I was given.)

And San Diego? Huh? Both schools are in Cleveland.

What! 3.1= top 15% at CM? are they serious. Damn!!!!

Can any CM student confirm/deny this?

Not sure, I know the Case curve is right.
Wow i mean come on CM i'm not doubting myself but i'm not naive nor do i have a crystal ball. I'm going there to do my best and so will everyone else and that 3.1= top 15% is kinda crazy, isn't it?

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Re: Case Western 20k/yr vs Cleveland-Marshall full ride

Post by Voyager » Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:24 pm

lsathelp wrote:
StrictlyLiable wrote:
lsathelp wrote:
angioletto wrote:Both schools may have a 3.1 GPA requirement but they have very different curves. At Case a 3.1 is around top 45% of the class while I believe a 3.1 at CM is closer to top 15% of the class. (You may want to confirm those curves but that is the info I was given.)

And San Diego? Huh? Both schools are in Cleveland.

What! 3.1= top 15% at CM? are they serious. Damn!!!!

Can any CM student confirm/deny this?

Not sure, I know the Case curve is right.
Wow i mean come on CM i'm not doubting myself but i'm not naive nor do i have a crystal ball. I'm going there to do my best and so will everyone else and that 3.1= top 15% is kinda crazy, isn't it?
It is believable because law schools are run in a rather dishonest manner. They are businesses.

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Re: Case Western 20k/yr vs Cleveland-Marshall full ride

Post by StrictlyLiable » Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:29 pm

Yeah they count on you losing your scholly so they can lure students the following year with the same money. Happens at a lot of T3 schools really.

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Re: Case Western 20k/yr vs Cleveland-Marshall full ride

Post by angioletto » Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:34 pm

StrictlyLiable wrote:Yeah they count on you losing your scholly so they can lure students the following year with the same money. Happens at a lot of T3 schools really.
And without this website I wouldn't have known to ask about these curves or the significance of them and I'd be attending a TTT this fall with a full scholarship and a top 10% GPA requirement.

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