Hastings OR Chapman? Forum

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[A'nold]

UC Irvine.

[DerrickRose]

Some familiar refrains here:

-If you want Biglaw, retake
-SoCal school for SoCal, NoCal school for NoCal.
-Beware of scholarship stipulations from Chapman
-Hastings probably isn't worth sticker
-If there is a choice in the middle here, it might be the best.

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[bk1]

Why are you crossing your fingers for the UCD waitlist? UCD is pretty much equivalent to UCH.

[Norwood]

Why are you crossing your fingers for the UCD waitlist? UCD is pretty much equivalent to UCH.

Cost of living in Davis vs. SF and the opposite trend in rankings don't make them pretty much equivalents.

[ViP]

DerrickRose is correct (and a baller, if I may say so myself).

If you want to work in Orange County, I think you'd be nuts to choose Hastings.

If you want to work in northern California (especially San Francisco) and you're not already in serious debt, I would choose Hastings.

If you want to work in LA, you may have reason to stress, since Loyola may have been your best option (unless you're ok paying for Hastings).

Where do you want to work?

[A'nold]

Why are you crossing your fingers for the UCD waitlist? UCD is pretty much equivalent to UCH.

Cost of living in Davis vs. SF and the opposite trend in rankings don't make them pretty much equivalents.

Uh, if it wasn't for UCH's mess up w/ USNWR it would probably still be a top 25 school. I applied to transfer to UCH but not UCD. I would definitely not say that UCD is a superior school.

[DerrickRose]

Why are you crossing your fingers for the UCD waitlist? UCD is pretty much equivalent to UCH.

[strike]Cost of living in Davis vs. SF and the opposite trend in rankings don't make them pretty much equivalents.[/strike]

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[ViP]

Why are you crossing your fingers for the UCD waitlist? UCD is pretty much equivalent to UCH.

Cost of living in Davis vs. SF and the opposite trend in rankings don't make them pretty much equivalents.

Uh, if it wasn't for UCH's mess up w/ USNWR it would probably still be a top 25 school. I applied to transfer to UCH but not UCD. I would definitely not say that UCD is a superior school.

-Grew up in the Bay Area, went to UC Berkeley for undergrad, work in SF... I want to go to Davis for a change of scenery/ Hastings is in a horrible area I think that for quality of life Davis is much, much better. SF is really expensive to live in. I have no idea where I want to work after school.

In all honesty, you really owe it to yourself to decide where you'd prefer to live and work after law school. Your decision very much depends on it, as these are regional schools (Chapman more so than Hastings, of course).

[keg411]

Why are you crossing your fingers for the UCD waitlist? UCD is pretty much equivalent to UCH.

Cost of living in Davis vs. SF and the opposite trend in rankings don't make them pretty much equivalents.

Uh, if it wasn't for UCH's mess up w/ USNWR it would probably still be a top 25 school. I applied to transfer to UCH but not UCD. I would definitely not say that UCD is a superior school.

-Grew up in the Bay Area, went to UC Berkeley for undergrad, work in SF... I want to go to Davis for a change of scenery/ Hastings is in a horrible area I think that for quality of life Davis is much, much better. SF is really expensive to live in. I have no idea where I want to work after school.

Stay in SF and go to UCH. Deal with the Davis WL if it happens. No reason to move to SoCal since you have no connections down there and don't even know if you'd like it.

[eth3n]

good luck with davis

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[ozarkhack]

Hastings. No matter where in California you want to work.

Particularly if you're looking at PI/govt: Hastings' PICAP (loan repayment) is crazy good.

See: Hastings v. Chapman in terms of where grads work.

On second thought, in light of info at the link, go to Chapman if you want to work in Orange and Riverside counties. Go to Hastings if you want to work anywhere else.

Also: Hastings PICAP (LinkRemoved). Quick version: Earn less than $50K, they cover 100%. Earn between $50K and $70K, they pay at least 70% of your IBR-adjusted loan payment. After 5-7 years, and you're still making less than $70K, they pay 100%.

EDIT: Good luck with the WL at Davis. Hope to see you there in the fall. ... Though if Hastings pulls me from WL, I might have a tough decision b/c of the PICAP.

[sparclette]

Keep it coming! Thank you SO much. So many resources I wasn't aware of.

[sparclette]

Hastings. No matter where in California you want to work.

Particularly if you're looking at PI/govt: Hastings' PICAP (loan repayment) is crazy good.

See: Hastings v. Chapman in terms of where grads work.

On second thought, in light of info at the link, go to Chapman if you want to work in Orange and Riverside counties. Go to Hastings if you want to work anywhere else.

Also: Hastings PICAP (LinkRemoved). Quick version: Earn less than $50K, they cover 100%. Earn between $50K and $70K, they pay at least 70% of your IBR-adjusted loan payment. After 5-7 years, and you're still making less than $70K, they pay 100%.

EDIT: Good luck with the WL at Davis. Hope to see you there in the fall. ... Though if Hastings pulls me from WL, I might have a tough decision b/c of the PICAP.

Oh Jeez! Let's trade

[A'nold]

Hastings. No matter where in California you want to work.

Particularly if you're looking at PI/govt: Hastings' PICAP (loan repayment) is crazy good.

See: Hastings v. Chapman in terms of where grads work.

On second thought, in light of info at the link, go to Chapman if you want to work in Orange and Riverside counties. Go to Hastings if you want to work anywhere else.

Also: Hastings PICAP (LinkRemoved). Quick version: Earn less than $50K, they cover 100%. Earn between $50K and $70K, they pay at least 70% of your IBR-adjusted loan payment. After 5-7 years, and you're still making less than $70K, they pay 100%.

EDIT: Good luck with the WL at Davis. Hope to see you there in the fall. ... Though if Hastings pulls me from WL, I might have a tough decision b/c of the PICAP.

Special thanks to my homey ozarkhack for pointing this out a few weeks ago which was the final factor that made it Hastings over UC Davis for me.

[ozarkhack]

Oh Jeez! Let's trade

Maybe. Fiance has a couple of job leads in Sacramento. If she lands one of 'em, all bets are off.

And glad I could help, A'nold. Though I hate to think I might've shooed someone away from transferring to/attending Davis. Eh. Won't matter anyway when you get into Berkeley, right?

[A'nold]

Oh Jeez! Let's trade

Maybe. Fiance has a couple of job leads in Sacramento. If she lands one of 'em, all bets are off.

And glad I could help, A'nold. Though I hate to think I might've shooed someone away from transferring to/attending Davis. Eh. Won't matter anyway when you get into Berkeley, right?

Well, draw from a bag of 10 names and you have one card in the bag, you may get chosen, haha.

[NayBoer]

Neither great for biglaw, but obviously Hastings' small chance is still much better than Chapman's almost no chance.

Chapman will track you into OC firms generally doing smaller legal issues. Hastings keeps you in better contention for the bigger firms, but chances in this economy are not great.

Does Chapman have stipulations to keep the scholarship? How much will cost of living be over 3 years? I'm not sure that $60k for Chapman outweighs $180k for Hastings. It's certainly a more manageable level, but it's not as though 3 years at Chapman are costless.

[bk1]

Hastings. No matter where in California you want to work.

Particularly if you're looking at PI/govt: Hastings' PICAP (loan repayment) is crazy good.

See: Hastings v. Chapman in terms of where grads work.

On second thought, in light of info at the link, go to Chapman if you want to work in Orange and Riverside counties. Go to Hastings if you want to work anywhere else.

Also: Hastings PICAP (LinkRemoved). Quick version: Earn less than $50K, they cover 100%. Earn between $50K and $70K, they pay at least 70% of your IBR-adjusted loan payment. After 5-7 years, and you're still making less than $70K, they pay 100%.

EDIT: Good luck with the WL at Davis. Hope to see you there in the fall. ... Though if Hastings pulls me from WL, I might have a tough decision b/c of the PICAP.

After glancing through UCH's PICAP, I came across this:

No assistance will be provided in the repayment of a graduate’s undergraduate loans, Alternative loans, Grad PLUS Loans, Bar Study Loans, family, or personal loans.

Since the vast majority of what you borrow for law school is in the form of a Grad PLUS loan, doesn't this mean that PICAP is nigh worthless? Or am I reading it wrong?

[NayBoer]

I guess that means they'll repay Stafford, which is up to $20.5k per year. Meaning you are on the hook for whatever you take over that in PLUS loans. If the $60k number ITT is right, that means (times 3) PICAP wouldn't cover ~$120k out of ~$180k.

[bk1]

I guess that means they'll repay Stafford, which is up to $20.5k per year. Meaning you are on the hook for whatever you take over that in PLUS loans. If the $60k number ITT is right, that means (times 3) PICAP wouldn't cover ~$120k out of ~$180k.

Yeah, they'll cover Stafford, Perkins, and loans issued by UCH itself. I just checked UCD's LRAP which only applies if you make under $60k but does cover Grad PLUS.

EDIT: UCH not covering Grad PLUS seems to be the exception? I mean I haven't looked at LRAP's outside the T14 but I would assume that they usually cover Grad PLUS loans.

[A'nold]

Wait, what's the point of an LRAP that doesn't cover IBR payments for grad plus, lol? I probably should have looked into this more, haha. Oh well, I'd still rather go to Hastings than Davis, for other reasons.