Mizzou($) vs. Indiana Forum

[LogosEther]

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[chadwick218]

IUB w/ DePaul a very, very distant second. Mizzou's placement has been terrible, even in KC and STL, in recent years. Did you apply to UIUC?

[LogosEther]

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[cardnal124]

Why would anyone recommend DePaul? Or John Marshall? It's the lower half of T2 and ya it's in IL, but still would be behind about 10 schools for Chicago.

Mizzou is ok if you get in state tuition, but the job prospects are pretty much within state. IU gives you much more bang for your buck for Chicago prospects. Go there and finish well and it will be worth the extra 60k

[Aberzombie1892]

Requesting the input of the expert TLS community. Much appreciated.

First, a few details about myself... I would like to secure employment in Chicago. I will definitely consider working elsewhere when the time comes, but for the purposes of choosing a school, I want to be marketable in Chicago. Additionally, for reasons that most of you wouldn't understand, I plan on doing very well in law school and I hope to make a big transfer after my first year. I know it's difficult to do, but that's the plan, so please consider it a distinct possibility. Lastly, some schools that waitlisted me are huge priorities, so this may all amount to just a seat deposit decision (hopefully).

I was rejected from Minnesota, waitlisted from about seven thousand various schools, and then here are my acceptances:

Indiana University for ~ $40k/year tuition
University of Missouri for ~ $22k/year tuition ($7k/year scholly)
DePaul University for ~ $22k/year tuition ($15k/year scholly)
John Marshall Law School for ~ $20k/year tuition ($16k/year scholly)

Before any of you say "definitely choose DePaul", please note that being on an actual campus is a HUGE plus for me, and only Missouri and Indiana can offer that. That's why it's primarily between those two schools. I know that they may not be as reputable in Chicago, but being on a campus would make me much happier personally and I believe I would be able to concentrate on school much more.

TYVM in advance.

Indiana is far from worth $40,000 in tuition.

As such, Missouri is not worth $22,000.

However, I personally feel as though no school is worth sticker.

Sadly, I would choose Missouri between Missouri and Indiana (although I wish you had better options available).

*Do you have any ties to Chicago? If not, your best bet would be to attend a school in Chicago (I dont know where Depaul is or John Marshall).

*If you swung IUB, you should be able to swing Chicago-kent (which would be a superior choice for you aspirations)

[cardnal124]

Requesting the input of the expert TLS community. Much appreciated.

First, a few details about myself... I would like to secure employment in Chicago. I will definitely consider working elsewhere when the time comes, but for the purposes of choosing a school, I want to be marketable in Chicago. Additionally, for reasons that most of you wouldn't understand, I plan on doing very well in law school and I hope to make a big transfer after my first year. I know it's difficult to do, but that's the plan, so please consider it a distinct possibility. Lastly, some schools that waitlisted me are huge priorities, so this may all amount to just a seat deposit decision (hopefully).

I was rejected from Minnesota, waitlisted from about seven thousand various schools, and then here are my acceptances:

Indiana University for ~ $40k/year tuition
University of Missouri for ~ $22k/year tuition ($7k/year scholly)
DePaul University for ~ $22k/year tuition ($15k/year scholly)
John Marshall Law School for ~ $20k/year tuition ($16k/year scholly)

Before any of you say "definitely choose DePaul", please note that being on an actual campus is a HUGE plus for me, and only Missouri and Indiana can offer that. That's why it's primarily between those two schools. I know that they may not be as reputable in Chicago, but being on a campus would make me much happier personally and I believe I would be able to concentrate on school much more.

TYVM in advance.

Indiana is far from worth $40,000 in tuition.

As such, Missouri is not worth $22,000.

However, I personally feel as though no school is worth sticker.

Sadly, I would choose Missouri between Missouri and Indiana (although I wish you had better options available).

*Do you have any ties to Chicago? If not, your best bet would be to attend a school in Chicago (I dont know where Depaul is or John Marshall).

*If you swung IUB, you should be able to swing Chicago-kent (which would be a superior choice for you aspirations)

You would rather get a discounted rate (still much higher than in-state) with fewer job prospects?

[LogosEther]

I do have ties in Chitown, and those ties actually value a strong student from DePaul or John Marshall more than people would think.

Amazingly, no word from Chicago-Kent yet. I should really be getting something soon...

Agreed, about sticker price. It's painful. Gotta do what you gotta do, though...

Thanks for the quick reply, but just wondering what your logic is when you say you'd choose Mizzou. Is it just the money?

[Aberzombie1892]

I do have ties in Chitown, and those ties actually value a strong student from DePaul or John Marshall more than people would think.

Amazingly, no word from Chicago-Kent yet. I should really be getting something soon...

Agreed, about sticker price. It's painful. Gotta do what you gotta do, though...

Thanks for the quick reply, but just wondering what your logic is when you say you'd choose Mizzou. Is it just the money?

Ties are very important, so I'm glad you have some to help you.
It's a combination between money/prospects.

Indiana is strong for Indiana - and the students it pulls in from out of state can usually return to where they are from/or have ties to.

Indiana probably won't open any doors for students to enter the IL market that weren't already open (as far as ties go).

According to Nalpdirectory.com, Indiana has about 12 employers OCI from Chicago (half or less are NLJ250).

If you have ties to a region - and the employers from that region do not OCI at a particular school - then the only advantage you would have to choosing that school school would be if the employers had a higher level of tolerance for the GPAs of graduates from that school.

For example, a student has ties to Texas. That student would only be "better off" than they would be if they chose UT if he/she went to a school that employers hired more deeply out of (i.e. Harvard). Many Texas employers may not OCI at Harvard - but if you have the connections - you will still be able to be successful in getting a job there.

In your case (in the instant case - 1L joke), IUB does not have more quantifiable pull than Missouri (like Harvard to Texas). Both Indiana and Missouri have more than a few law schools in their states. Now that the economy is in poor shape, more WUSTL and Notre Dame students will be staying in state - adding to the competition.

I would rather you owe less money - and have mediocre prospects than to owe more money - and have mediocre prospects.

I honestly think it's kind of funny that a school ranked in the 60s or 70s would be better for your aspirations (and prospects) than a school ranked 23.

Edit to say that Chicago Kent (for your aspirations)> IUB or Missouri

[LogosEther]

Thanks again for the input.

So it seems like a main point of contention is whether or not there is a difference in Chicago prospects from IUB or Mizzou. The OCIs are helpful, but I wouldn't say they encompass everything. Just to add some more information... I'm not 100% biglaw or otherwise. Not yet sure if I want that.

[administrator]

Kent would be best for your Chicago aspirations. However, unfortunately, it's not an easy school to get into, even if you were accepted at IUB. Mizzou is quite regional and even IUB (to a lesser extent) is also with Indianapolis being its major market. Despite the rankings, you will need to be top of the class at both for having a decent shot at landing the Chicago market.

[chadwick218]

So Missouri just fell from #59 to #93 in the 2010 rankings ... what the hell happened?

[LogosEther]

Thanks for the further advice! I actually got into Kent, but I chose IU. After that Mizzou nosedive, I suppose I should be relieved. Still waiting on the Illinois wait list, though. They're my #1.

Thanks again.