Anyone else moving down a notch? Forum

[msbeautifulbasham]

Considering my UG accepts like 92% of applicants, I'm happy to say that I will be moving up. Seems all I needed was a credit card to get in, so its hard to go anywhere but up

[hopefullaw27]

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[RVP11]

i don't believe my undergrad performance (3.6~) is reflective of a student who performs well enough to attend a t-14 school.

[hopefullaw27]

as in i didn't think a 3.6 required a ton of effort, effort which i think should be a requisite for a t14 law school

[4910]

this forum never ceases to amaze with all the topics it formulates that make someone's self esteem go down,
i will be moving up by the way, i think i am peaking at the right time

[4910]

I think law school is easier to get into a top school. I took 9 AP's, got 5's on most, 3.9 GPA at a top high school, 1530 SAT, worked hard on my essay, and still got denied or wait listed at 9 schools.

Must've been a 1530 on the new SAT.

lol

[ConMan345]

middle class --> HYPS --> HYS

Honestly, I'm not that smart, I just have a knack for the admissions game.

In many ways, high school was harder/more work than college, so I'm ready to be pushed in law school.

Choosing a major like chemical engineering might have solved that problem.

This.

Oh I totally agree, lol. There is NO shortage of engineering/science majors here who make sure you know how hard they work and how much they dislike it. It actually gets pretty damn annoying, imo. But yes, I could have gotten worse grades, hated my life and ruined my chances at gaining admission to the law school of my dreams, that is true, lol.

[rayiner]

as in i didn't think a 3.6 required a ton of effort, effort which i think should be a requisite for a t14 law school

[rayiner]

middle class --> HYPS --> HYS

Honestly, I'm not that smart, I just have a knack for the admissions game.

In many ways, high school was harder/more work than college, so I'm ready to be pushed in law school.

Choosing a major like chemical engineering might have solved that problem.

This.

Oh I totally agree, lol. There is NO shortage of engineering/science majors here who make sure you know how hard they work and how much they dislike it and who still managed to get into a T14 over weenies who majored in pre-law. It actually gets pretty damn annoying, imo.

[ConMan345]

Oh I totally agree, lol. There is NO shortage of engineering/science majors here who make sure you know how hard they work and how much they dislike it and who still managed to get into a T14 over weenies who majored in pre-law. It actually gets pretty damn annoying, imo.

lol, +1, there are plenty of dumbasses to vault over even with an engineering GPA.

[Aeroplane]

as in i didn't think a 3.6 required a ton of effort, effort which i think should be a requisite for a t14 law school

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[RVP11]

as in i didn't think a 3.6 required a ton of effort, effort which i think should be a requisite for a t14 law school

I put in very little effort to get a 3.7 in undergrad at a T4 state school.

I'm at a T14, not gunning to any great degree, and doing fine. People greatly overstate how much work it takes to do well.

[parker09]

I'd say it's lateraling, but I disagree that getting into a T14 is that much harder than getting into a T10 UG. In general, to get into a top 15/Top 10 undergrad you need a high GPA and highish SAT/ACT plus good softs. (Of course there are people that "lucked" into top undergrads with just really good softs and mediocre numbers, but generally speaking that doesn't happen that often.) To get into a top 14 law school you only need a high-ish LSAT. You can screw up your entire undergrad career, not have any good softs, and still get into a top 14 law school. The LSAT is a harder test to do comparably well on (i.e. getting 99th percentile in both) than the SAT, because more people prep for the LSAT and there's stiffer competition due to self-selection and the curve is tighter, but it's not impossible by any means.

Of course the argument can be made that a lot of top undergrads have low average LSATs. So I guess if you are a bad test taker, then a T-14 can be a lot harder to get into because of the increased weight law schools put on standardized tests when compared with ugrads.

+1. I think UG admissions, especially at the top schools, was more of a crapshoot/lottery. Since not everyone is going into the same profession or area, they focus (slightly) less on the #s and more on the softs and making an interesting, well-rounded class. Law school is more heavily #'s-based (some would say entirely, though I don't agree totally there either).

(Also, I really hate the "only rich people who got elite prep-school educations can get into HYP/etc" line of thinking. Yes, a greater percentage of HYP kids went to elite prep schools, but not all of them. If anything, coming from a different background makes you more diverse, and these schools are trying to up their socioeconomic diversity.)

[RMstratosphere]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcggr_23WJU

[daddymike]

OP, you really only need one HYPS degree. "He went to [insert ivy name here]." That's all that most people are going to think anyways. I mean, I can understand why you'd feel weird about it, but the truth is that once you're an Ivy alum, then you'd still enjoy full access to all the alums from that university. So if you graduated Yale undergrad, for example, you can still easily contact Yale law alums. Yes, it is shameless, but it is not improper IMO. Also, you can just get in touch with your undergrad alums who have degrees from a bunch of other law schools. Point is, you're fine.

[09042014]

I love to look at lists of undergraduate institutions represented for law schools...

I don't. I've never seen my UG represented anywhere.

I've never seen my UG in any of those list, either (although I do know 1 former classmate at Cornell). The average LSAT score at my college was in the 130s. I anticipate attending a T14 in the fall (barring $$$ from a T20). It feels good.

Average score at mine is like mid-high 150s maybe? It's just not a school where anyone aspires to be a lawyer, nor do any of the majors foster any relevant skills.

Only losers in engineering and compsi go to law school.

[englawyer]

Only losers in engineering and compsi go to law school.

i have to disagree. the level of win from engineering/compsi in my opinion:

#1. create a cool startup that actually succeeds
#2. "follow your dreams" and get a PhD
#3. join a cool startup
#4. join wall st as a quant
#5. join a strategy consulting firm
#6. go to law school
#7. join a prestigious tech company (google etc)
#8. join a normal tech company (probably over 60% in this category)

#8 are the losers IMO. they won't amount to much of anything and get paid far less than they are worth. they will spend their lives implementing what some MBA or business person wants while they sit in their cube farm (think dilbert). after ten years, their job will be outsourced to india and they will be an unemployed 45 year old who will go into the office w/ a machine gun and go crazy.

[09042014]

middle class --> HYPS --> HYS

Honestly, I'm not that smart, I just have a knack for the admissions game.

In many ways, high school was harder/more work than college, so I'm ready to be pushed in law school.

Choosing a major like chemical engineering might have solved that problem.

This.

When people claim that HYP should get an admissions boost I shall quote this. TAG

I did more work in one class in undergrad as I'd do in an entire year of high school. And I tried to do as little work at possible in ugrad.

[09042014]

Only losers in engineering and compsi go to law school.

i have to disagree. the level of win from engineering/compsi in my opinion:

#1. create a cool startup that actually succeeds
#2. "follow your dreams" and get a PhD
#3. join a cool startup
#4. join wall st as a quant
#5. join a strategy consulting firm
#6. go to law school
#7. join a prestigious tech company (google etc)
#8. join a normal tech company (probably over 60% in this category)

#8 are the losers IMO. they won't amount to much of anything and get paid far less than they are worth. they will spend their lives implementing what some MBA or business person wants while they sit in their cube farm (think dilbert). after ten years, their job will be outsourced to india and they will be an unemployed 45 year old who will go into the office w/ a machine gun and go crazy.

I would put your number 7 as above your number 4.

I'm a number 8 which is why I'm going to law school. I've also always been interested in law. I kind of wish I would have decided on law before undergrad, but having the patent law option is pretty good, even if I don't want to prosecution, its better than shit law.

Though to be honest with myself I didn't try in undergrad. I probably wouldn't have gotten more than a 3.5 in liberal arts because I would have just worked less. So engineering didn't screw me that badly. MAYBE I'd be going to Chicago over Northwestern. But I think Chicago with a liberal arts degree is less safe ITE than Northwestern with a BSEE.

[thickfreakness]

I took the money from a state school for UG, and odds are I'll be going to an Ivy-esque law school, so I suppose I'm moving up. If the T14 doesn't pan out for me, I'll still be at a T20 or T30 school with a sizeable scholarship, which is much better than most pre-laws coming from my UG.

[englawyer]

Only losers in engineering and compsi go to law school.

i have to disagree. the level of win from engineering/compsi in my opinion:

#1. create a cool startup that actually succeeds
#2. "follow your dreams" and get a PhD
#3. join a cool startup
#4. join wall st as a quant
#5. join a strategy consulting firm
#6. go to law school
#7. join a prestigious tech company (google etc)
#8. join a normal tech company (probably over 60% in this category)

#8 are the losers IMO. they won't amount to much of anything and get paid far less than they are worth. they will spend their lives implementing what some MBA or business person wants while they sit in their cube farm (think dilbert). after ten years, their job will be outsourced to india and they will be an unemployed 45 year old who will go into the office w/ a machine gun and go crazy.

I would put your number 7 as above your number 4.

I'm a number 8 which is why I'm going to law school. I've also always been interested in law. I kind of wish I would have decided on law before undergrad, but having the patent law option is pretty good, even if I don't want to prosecution, its better than shit law.

Though to be honest with myself I didn't try in undergrad. I probably wouldn't have gotten more than a 3.5 in liberal arts because I would have just worked less. So engineering didn't screw me that badly. MAYBE I'd be going to Chicago over Northwestern. But I think Chicago with a liberal arts degree is less safe ITE than Northwestern with a BSEE.

makes sense. and actually, i think law school is as much of a win as wall st/consulting. they are all good opportunities where the individual involved is "selling out". perhaps T14 law = consulting/wall st. but T1 law is between that category and the normal jobs. i also added top MBA in the mix:

#1. create a cool startup that actually succeeds
#2. "follow your dreams" and get a PhD
#3. join a cool startup
#4. join a prestigious tech company (google etc)
#5. join wall st as a quant
#5. join a strategy consulting firm
#5. go to T14 law school
#5. get a top MBA
#9. go to a T1 law school
#10. join a normal tech company

[orphanarium]

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[09042014]

The person who posted the original comment obviously wanted to know if there were other people who were moving down a notch. To that person: I'm sorry that this thread has, instead, become a place where people can publicly give themselves a pat on the back.

P.S. Like some have said, I don't think you're part of an incredibly small minority. Someone has to make up the bottom of the HYS class.

TBF, the topic was already about ivy league undergrads.

[09042014]

At graduation I was kind of kicking myself for not interviewing at Ibanks, but I would have been laid off in Sept 2008 anyway.

[Ethan Edwards]

Only losers in engineering and compsi go to law school.

i have to disagree. the level of win from engineering/compsi in my opinion:

#1. create a cool startup that actually succeeds
#2. "follow your dreams" and get a PhD
#3. join a cool startup
#4. join wall st as a quant
#5. join a strategy consulting firm
#6. go to law school
#7. join a prestigious tech company (google etc)
#8. join a normal tech company (probably over 60% in this category)

#8 are the losers IMO. they won't amount to much of anything and get paid far less than they are worth. they will spend their lives implementing what some MBA or business person wants while they sit in their cube farm (think dilbert). after ten years, their job will be outsourced to india and they will be an unemployed 45 year old who will go into the office w/ a machine gun and go crazy.

#4 is very very hard without a PhD.