2013 Rankings Forum

[ThreeRivers]

I know rankings don't mean shit, but what about for negation purposes?

Say I'm trying to use a nice scholarship offer from a school that everyone Is saying "lol at how high they're," to get a scholly offer from a school that everyone Is laughing at how low they're.

Will the rise in the one / drop in the other help my case?

[mattviphky]

I swear, every year one of the Big Ten schools that is not Mich or NU makes a jump into the top 25 then drops the next year.

It is like they all take a turn.

Wisconsin
Iowa
Illinois
Indiana
Minnesota gets its turn this year.

Next year will probably go to Ohio State.

Minnesota has been in the top 25 for the last 25 years, or thereabouts.

Yeah, that was a pretty dumb post. UIUC has been in the t25 for just as long...until yesterday.

[stillwater]

I know rankings don't mean shit, but what about for negation purposes?

Say I'm trying to use a nice scholarship offer from a school that everyone Is saying "lol at how high they're," to get a scholly offer from a school that everyone Is laughing at how low they're.

Will the rise in the one / drop in the other help my case?

For instance, I don't think Arizona State is gonna help you squeeze money out of BU.

[ThreeRivers]

I know rankings don't mean shit, but what about for negation purposes?

Say I'm trying to use a nice scholarship offer from a school that everyone Is saying "lol at how high they're," to get a scholly offer from a school that everyone Is laughing at how low they're.

Will the rise in the one / drop in the other help my case?

For instance, I don't think Arizona State is gonna help you squeeze money out of BU.

Lol, what about Washington & lee for Bu? (im also saying umn, but was hoping w&l passing it up as well in rankings might help me out

[ScrabbleChamp]

I know rankings don't mean shit, but what about for negation purposes?

Say I'm trying to use a nice scholarship offer from a school that everyone Is saying "lol at how high they're," to get a scholly offer from a school that everyone Is laughing at how low they're.

Will the rise in the one / drop in the other help my case?

For instance, I don't think Arizona State is gonna help you squeeze money out of BU.

I LOL'd at the prospect of someone actually trying to do that.

[Tiago Splitter]

how does the future look for

1.GW

2. Cornell

GW has risen in ranks over the past ten years, cornell fell 1 or 2 spots

The apocalypse has struck. Cornell can never come back from this death knell. It will undoubtedly sink into obscurity, a la 'nova. Your best bet is to buy a rising stock, think IPO!, and that golden, flaming rocket, drunk on vainglory for the top spot, is Arizona State.

Golden, flaming rocket + ASU = see a doctor

[TLS_noobie]

I know rankings don't mean shit, but what about for negation purposes?

Say I'm trying to use a nice scholarship offer from a school that everyone Is saying "lol at how high they're," to get a scholly offer from a school that everyone Is laughing at how low they're.

Will the rise in the one / drop in the other help my case?

For instance, I don't think Arizona State is gonna help you squeeze money out of BU.

Lol, what about Washington & lee for Bu? (im also saying umn, but was hoping w&l passing it up as well in rankings might help me out

lol Doubt it. But I am interested to hear what others have to say about this...

[minnbills]

Lol, what about Washington & lee for Bu? (im also saying umn, but was hoping w&l passing it up as well in rankings might help me out

Well you should definitely try but I wouldn't count on it. Despite the new rankings BU is a much better school than W&L.

[Cornellanister]

OMG Cornell dropped to 14. I guess I will have to reconsider attending.

[CanadianWolf]

They'll understand.

[Tom Joad]

Lol, what about Washington & lee for Bu? (im also saying umn, but was hoping w&l passing it up as well in rankings might help me out

Well you should definitely try but I wouldn't count on it. Despite the new rankings BU is a much better school than W&L.

[citation needed]

[josh43299]

Lol, what about Washington & lee for Bu? (im also saying umn, but was hoping w&l passing it up as well in rankings might help me out

Well you should definitely try but I wouldn't count on it. Despite the new rankings BU is a much better school than W&L.

By next cycle it will be BosTTTTon U, as 0Ls flock to W&L based on the data from their choosing a law school polls.

[ScrabbleChamp]

Is it OK to reference Michigan's fall to 10 when I withdraw this week?

I hope you do.


Does anyone have access to the USNWR Law Firms Rank Schools section?

Law Firms Rank Schools
1. Harvard
2. Stanford
2. Yale
4. Columbia
4. Mich
6. NYU
6. UVA
8. Cornell
8. Duke
8. NW
8. Chicago
13. Gtown
13. Penn
15. Vandy
15. WUSTL
17. Texas
18. Bu
18. Emory
18. Wash and Lee
18. UCLA
18. UMN
18. ND
18. USC
25. BC
25. UNC
25. Iowa

Lost in all this mess is this... For most of our purposes, this is the only ranking that matters. Law firms are more likely to base their hiring decisions of their own opinions, not some stupid publication.

[TTRansfer]

Lol, what about Washington & lee for Bu? (im also saying umn, but was hoping w&l passing it up as well in rankings might help me out

Well you should definitely try but I wouldn't count on it. Despite the new rankings BU is a much better school than W&L.

[citation needed]

Jobz

[Tom Joad]

Lol, what about Washington & lee for Bu? (im also saying umn, but was hoping w&l passing it up as well in rankings might help me out

Well you should definitely try but I wouldn't count on it. Despite the new rankings BU is a much better school than W&L.

[citation needed]

Jobz

U.S. News and World Reports is the foremost authority in determining law school excellence. I rest my argument on the shoulders of giants.

[TTRansfer]

U.S. News and World Reports is the foremost authority in determining law school excellence. I rest my argument on the shoulders of giants.

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[TLS_noobie]

Is it OK to reference Michigan's fall to 10 when I withdraw this week?

I hope you do.


Does anyone have access to the USNWR Law Firms Rank Schools section?

Law Firms Rank Schools
1. Harvard
2. Stanford
2. Yale
4. Columbia
4. Mich
6. NYU
6. UVA
8. Cornell
8. Duke
8. NW
8. Chicago
13. Gtown
13. Penn
15. Vandy
15. WUSTL
17. Texas
18. Bu
18. Emory
18. Wash and Lee
18. UCLA
18. UMN
18. ND
18. USC
25. BC
25. UNC
25. Iowa

Lost in all this mess is this... For most of our purposes, this is the only ranking that matters. Law firms are more likely to base their hiring decisions of their own opinions, not some stupid publication.

No Fordham? Is this surprising or no? I feel like the only thing Fordham has going for it is that it has infiltrated many top firms with partners in NYC over the years.

[anstone1988]

- I can't imagine Stanford got higher scores in the Peer Assessment and Lawyer/Judge Assessment than Harvard. Harvard is Harvard and as such usually ties with Yale for the highest scores in these, right?

Wrong. Harvard is #1 in Peer Assessment and Lawyer/Judge Assessment. Yale and Stanford are tied for second in both.

[bk1]

Lost in all this mess is this... For most of our purposes, this is the only ranking that matters. Law firms are more likely to base their hiring decisions of their own opinions, not some stupid publication.

Not sure a survey of 90 hiring partners from disparate parts of the country (who likely just serve as an echoing chamber for USNWR rankings of schools that aren't in their area) is a useful ranking system.

[jeeptiger09]

Law Firms Rank Schools
1. Harvard
2. Stanford
2. Yale
4. Columbia
4. Mich
6. NYU
6. UVA
8. Cornell
8. Duke
8. NW
8. Chicago
13. Gtown
13. Penn
15. Vandy
15. WUSTL
17. Texas
18. Bu
18. Emory
18. Wash and Lee
18. UCLA
18. UMN
18. ND
18. USC
25. BC
25. UNC
25. Iowa

Can you post the top 100 here? Just curious. Thanks.

[justicefishy]

Lost in all this mess is this... For most of our purposes, this is the only ranking that matters. Law firms are more likely to base their hiring decisions of their own opinions, not some stupid publication.

Not sure a survey of 90 hiring partners from disparate parts of the country (who likely just serve as an echoing chamber for USNWR rankings of schools that aren't in their area) is a useful ranking system.

And these numbers tend not to fit in with the NLJ 250 hiring numbers, like how Penn and G-Town are ranked at 13 together while Penn had almost twice the percentage of its class entering NLJ 250 firms that Georgetown does (though that might be in part self selection but...)

[tennisking88]

Is it OK to reference Michigan's fall to 10 when I withdraw this week?

I hope you do.


Does anyone have access to the USNWR Law Firms Rank Schools section?

Law Firms Rank Schools
1. Harvard
2. Stanford
2. Yale
4. Columbia
4. Mich
6. NYU
6. UVA
8. Cornell
8. Duke
8. NW
8. Chicago
13. Gtown
13. Penn
15. Vandy
15. WUSTL
17. Texas
18. Bu
18. Emory
18. Wash and Lee
18. UCLA
18. UMN
18. ND
18. USC
25. BC
25. UNC
25. Iowa

LOL where is Boalt??

[srfngdd6]

Is it OK to reference Michigan's fall to 10 when I withdraw this week?

I hope you do.


Does anyone have access to the USNWR Law Firms Rank Schools section?

Law Firms Rank Schools
1. Harvard
2. Stanford
2. Yale
4. Columbia
4. Mich
6. NYU
6. UVA
8. Cornell
8. Duke
8. NW
8. Chicago
13. Gtown
13. Penn
15. Vandy
15. WUSTL
17. Texas
18. Bu
18. Emory
18. Wash and Lee
18. UCLA
18. UMN
18. ND
18. USC
25. BC
25. UNC
25. Iowa

LOL where is Boalt??

whoooooooooooooooooops Berk is also 8

[bigeast03]

Did anybody else get this e-mail just a minute ago:

"TU Law Breaks Into Top 100 in U.S. News & World Report 2013 Best Law School Rankings

Among the smallest law schools in the nation, TU Law advances 48 places in three years



TULSA, OK – For the first time in its history, The University of Tulsa College of Law has been named in the top 100 law schools in the nation by U.S. News and World Report 2013 Best Graduate Schools rankings. As one of the smallest law schools in the country, TU Law has advanced 48 places in the last three years in the rankings, which are based on several factors including an overall quality assessment, reputation, selectivity of student applications, job placement success and faculty resources.

In each category, TU Law has earned significant gains in recent years through focused efforts to attract qualified applicants, refining curriculum to prepare students to practice immediately upon graduation, and provide meaningful professional experiences to students during their legal education. Of the 195 accredited law schools assessed, TU Law was named 99th on the list."

[ScrabbleChamp]

Lost in all this mess is this... For most of our purposes, this is the only ranking that matters. Law firms are more likely to base their hiring decisions of their own opinions, not some stupid publication.

Not sure a survey of 90 hiring partners from disparate parts of the country (who likely just serve as an echoing chamber for USNWR rankings of schools that aren't in their area) is a useful ranking system.

More useful than USNWR, I'd guess.