Take the money and Run; YS - CCNH? Forum

[IAFG]

Get back on topic guys.

I hate this criticism. At some point the topic has been discussed from every angle and then we get to have a little fun before a mod shuts things down. There's nothing left on-topic to say.

[rayiner]

Will BA's head explode if I announce that I, a very lowly CCN person, beat out an HLS person coming off a very prestigious COA clerkship for my unicorn job?

No, because obviously I must have killed that grad and floated her body down Hudson River in order to get the job.

there is nothing desirable in all of law...but congratulations.

Congratulations, you've figured out the point of this thread. That's why people should take the money.

You missed the ellipsis at the end of that statement. The full version reads "there is nothing desirable in all of law, except women at bars near Boston find Harvard law students extremely desirable"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y-7CpYIJeY

[IAFG]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y-7CpYIJeY

I thought this would be Legally Blonde. Pleasantly surprised.

[Blessedassurance]

Will BA's head explode if I announce that I, a very lowly CCN person, beat out an HLS person coming off a very prestigious COA clerkship for my unicorn job?

No, because obviously I must have killed that grad and floated her body down Hudson River in order to get the job.

there is nothing desirable in all of law...but congratulations.

Congratulations, you've figured out the point of this thread. That's why people should take the money.

i've gone out of my way to tell people to take the ruby's/hamilton's and i was literally one of the first to shit on the academia-from-yale group-think that had hitherto gone unquestioned on tls. this thread addresses nothing novel as far as i'm concerned.

my contribution in this thread has been rather narrow and focused on quenching the proletariat rebellion from the northwestern contingent.

[Blessedassurance]

Will BA's head explode if I announce that I, a very lowly CCN person, beat out an HLS person coming off a very prestigious COA clerkship for my unicorn job?

No, because obviously I must have killed that grad and floated her body down Hudson River in order to get the job.

there is nothing desirable in all of law...but congratulations.

Congratulations, you've figured out the point of this thread. That's why people should take the money.

You missed the ellipsis at the end of that statement. The full version reads "there is nothing desirable in all of law, except women at bars near Boston find Harvard law students extremely desirable"

why are you never funny? the likes of you are seriously why most normal human beings professing sanity or the semblance thereof hate biglaw/law etc. you literally go into threads where people are shooting shit to discuss journal work. seriously, what is your major malfunction?

[Cicero76]

Harvard kids seem really cool. I can't figure out why we make fun of them.

[rayiner]

Will BA's head explode if I announce that I, a very lowly CCN person, beat out an HLS person coming off a very prestigious COA clerkship for my unicorn job?

No, because obviously I must have killed that grad and floated her body down Hudson River in order to get the job.

there is nothing desirable in all of law...but congratulations.

Congratulations, you've figured out the point of this thread. That's why people should take the money.

i've gone out of my way to tell people to take the ruby's/hamilton's and i was literally one of the first to shit on the academia-from-yale group-think that had hitherto gone unquestioned on tls. this thread addresses nothing novel as far as i'm concerned.

my contribution in this thread has been rather narrow and focused on quenching the proletariat rebellion from the northwestern contingent.

In a real way, that's the big flame. We're all proles, even partners at V5's. We scrub dishes for the capitalists.

[dresden doll]

why are you never funny? the likes of you are seriously why most normal human beings professing sanity or the semblance thereof hate biglaw/law etc. you literally go into threads where people are shooting shit to discuss journal work. seriously, what is your major malfunction?

It's the dysfunction of the proletarian mind. If he were more advanced, he'd know how to shoot the shit using words like "thereof" or "hitherto."

[Blessedassurance]

In a real way, that's the big flame. We're all proles, even partners at V5's. We scrub dishes for the capitalists.

twist:the capitalists went to hls:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_Blankfein

[quijotesca1011]

are there still prospies somehow considering HYS sticker-$ over CCN $$$? any snowflakes intent on academia?

why are they snowflakes? you realize there have to be some academics to come out of hys, right? biglaw isn't a bad fallback option if it fails

i assume anyone contemplating legal academia is envisioning a tenure-track position, because adjunct positions pay basically nothing and have no job security. yet the sheer fortuity of everything that must go right to have a remote chance at tenure-track positions in this economy, let alone tenure, is so unlikely that it's ridiculous to consider seriously as a 0L who knows nothing about law. all of this when the market for legal academics is rightly and rapidly shrinking.

putting aside the infinitesimal chances, i wonder if 0Ls interested in legal academia have the faintest idea of what being a law professor is like other than that it pays very well for far fewer hours than biglaw. do they have a clear research agenda? any agenda? do they have any significant experience publishing in academia (as in an academically rigorous masters or phd program, not served as an undergrad research assistant)? do they know they won't hate teaching law students (though lord knows a law prof doesn't have to enjoy or be good at teaching), or the law? many law professors didn't decide to become law professors until well into or even after law school, and that's my point: it's difficult to know beforehand that it's a realistic or even desired career path. a pre-law school interest in legal academia is unlikely to coincide with a post-law school interest in legal academia, and unlikelier still to coincide with the credentials required to break into it.

prospects in academia should be a very marginal tiebreaker, not something that outweighs any significant amount of money.

I completely agree that prospects in academia should be a tiebreaker, but I'm not sure it's totally fair to say that students going into law school couldn't know they have an interest in academia. Plenty of students go from undergrad to PHD programs. Now that's a cleaner transition if it's in your major field (i.e. you go from a B.A. in Poli Sci to a PHD program in Poli Sci) and it's a significantly more low-risk decision to get a PHD in terms of $$ (because usually you are paid instead of paying significant $$… that said you probably more significantly narrow your job options on the other end in an increasingly shrinking field). Overall I definitely think it should be a tiebreaker, if anything, because entering law students will have taken few if any law courses (some students have taken them undergrad) and dealt with little if any law material (there are undergrad internships, research positions, and classes where you do deal with legal writing, including law review articles, at least from my experience) but to say no one could know they are interested in that seems like a bit of an exaggeration to me.

Personally, I seriously considered a PHD and talked to a lot of faculty about it and the day-to-day life/politics of academia during that process, and while I ultimately decided that I wanted something more hands-on/direct work in my early career, I would be interested in academia later for the same reasons I was interested in it now. And I do have an idea of the area of academic interest/research I expect to be of interest to me in law school (although I allow for the fact that that could change). So I do see academia prospects as a plus, but a minor one; not anything I would make my whole decision based on, but definitely a positive.

[rayiner]

Harvard kids seem really cool. I can't figure out why we make fun of them.

We make fun of them because it's easy. But it's not Harvard kids specifically, although they tend to have delusions of grandeur that make it particularly easy. It's law students generally. The vast majority of law students by into the whole "prestige" myth. They go to law school thinking that it's anything other than paying $150k to take a series of 8-10 exams that allows employers to sort them. Implying that this is as true at HYS as it is as the T14 or the T50 or the T100... that cuts to the bone of the people who buy into the "prestige" myth.

[Theopliske8711]

Harvard kids seem really cool. I can't figure out why we make fun of them.

We make fun of them because it's easy. But it's not Harvard kids specifically, although they tend to have delusions of grandeur that make it particularly easy. It's law students generally. The vast majority of law students by into the whole "prestige" myth. They go to law school thinking that it's anything other than paying $150k to take a series of 8-10 exams that allows employers to sort them. Implying that this is as true at HYS as it is as the T14 or the T50 or the T100... that cuts to the bone of the people who buy into the "prestige" myth.

But my mom is very proud of me! And she put the decal on her car window!

[Cicero76]

Harvard kids seem really cool. I can't figure out why we make fun of them.

We make fun of them because it's easy. But it's not Harvard kids specifically, although they tend to have delusions of grandeur that make it particularly easy. It's law students generally. The vast majority of law students by into the whole "prestige" myth. They go to law school thinking that it's anything other than paying $150k to take a series of 8-10 exams that allows employers to sort them. Implying that this is as true at HYS as it is as the T14 or the T50 or the T100... that cuts to the bone of the people who buy into the "prestige" myth.

Whoosh

[rayiner]

In a real way, that's the big flame. We're all proles, even partners at V5's. We scrub dishes for the capitalists.

twist:the capitalists went to hls:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_Blankfein

Yes, a couple of people snuck in from 30-40 years ago, back before corporate America standardized on the MBA.

[Theopliske8711]

In a real way, that's the big flame. We're all proles, even partners at V5's. We scrub dishes for the capitalists.

twist:the capitalists went to hls:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_Blankfein

Yes, a couple of people snuck in from 30-40 years ago, back before corporate America standardized on the MBA.

You don't believe that those in M&A groups have the stand a good chance to break into the financial services sphere at some point in their careers anymore?

[dresden doll]

Your point about McKinsey is hilarious, because McKinsey is well known for granting tons of first-round interviews at a number of top law schools: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 5#p5474612. Getting a first-round with McKinsey is nothing special.

Imagine, even at Chicago you can get an interview with McKinsey without submitting your grades.

[A. Nony Mouse]

Re: academia - Plenty of people go straight from undergrad to PhD programs, yes, and tons of them never finish because they find out once they're in those programs that they don't actually like what it is that academics do. PhD programs have significant attrition rates. And PhD programs are designed for you to focus on research and develop a research agenda and so on, while law school decidedly is not. You can go through all 3 years of law school and know nothing more about what it's like to be an academic than when you started.

I mean, obviously some people get there and find out it is what they like and are good at. But it's really hard to tell ahead of time.

[cotiger]

Your point about McKinsey is hilarious, because McKinsey is well known for granting tons of first-round interviews at a number of top law schools: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 5#p5474612. Getting a first-round with McKinsey is nothing special.

Imagine, even at Chicago you can get an interview with McKinsey without submitting your grades.

The horror.

[El Pollito]

Here for the whipped cream.

[09042014]

Little known fact:

Chicagos high murder rate is caused by U of C grads fighting over the 2-3 spots that Jenner Block gives to non HLS students.

[dresden doll]

Your point about McKinsey is hilarious, because McKinsey is well known for granting tons of first-round interviews at a number of top law schools: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 5#p5474612. Getting a first-round with McKinsey is nothing special.

Imagine, even at Chicago you can get an interview with McKinsey without submitting your grades.

The horror.

McKinsey is a festering cesspool in decline, obvi.

[Blessedassurance]

In a real way, that's the big flame. We're all proles, even partners at V5's. We scrub dishes for the capitalists.

twist:the capitalists went to hls:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_Blankfein

Yes, a couple of people snuck in from 30-40 years ago, back before corporate America standardized on the MBA.

there are plenty of recent hls grads who head investment companies (the vast majority of them started at either wachtell or cravath, for some reason).

this is to say nothing of the numerous, numerous entrepreneurs, and the international students who go back to their countries.

hell,a couple of current 2L's are making waves with their new start-up:

http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/ ... il-privacy

hls attracts some of the most accomplished and impressive individuals. the idea that the class at hls and northwestern/columbia are largely fungible is wildly inaccurate. of course watch someone come in with an anecdote about the mouth-breather he knows at hls in an attempt to dispute the larger point.

[cotiger]

hls attracts some of the most accomplished and impressive individuals. the idea that the class at hls and northwestern/columbia are largely fungible is wildly inaccurate. of course watch someone come in with an anecdote about the mouth-breather he knows at hls in an attempt to dispute the larger point.

Hmmmm where might we find someone like this......

[Theopliske8711]

hell,a couple of current 2L's are making waves with their new start-up:

http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/ ... il-privacy

Isn't this the definition of snow-flakey, though?

[dresden doll]

Oh, the int'l students who go back to their countries to reform the lives of the proles they'd left behind. Capitalism for the unshaven masses.